Damn Kirklees Council!

"John Clayton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Have gone and painted on the raod surface - up Holme Moss - "1 mile, 3/4
mile, 1/2 mile, 1/4 mile, 200yds." . To summit - going up the Yorkshire
side.

Ooh, fantastic! Have seen signage with similar intent in France on some of
the big climbs - I do like the ones every km which tell you how far you've
climbed since the last one.

cheers,
clive

John Clayton said the following on 26/04/2007 00:06:

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Have gone and painted on the raod surface - up Holme Moss - "1 mile, 3/4
mile, 1/2 mile, 1/4 mile, 200yds." . To summit - going up the Yorkshire
side.

It could have been worse:
"1 mile, 3/4 mile, 1/2 mile, fooled you - 3/4 mile" :-)

--
Paul Boyd
http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

On 26 Apr, 00:06, "John Clayton" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Have gone and painted on the raod surface - up Holme Moss - "1 mile, 3/4
mile, 1/2 mile, 1/4 mile, 200yds." . To summit - going up the Yorkshire
side.

Today there was a very gusty wind , I don't need the discouragement this
stupid "cycle specific" signing gives. Frankly it just put me off my ride.

If only Kirklees would do something useful. fat chance.

Johnwww.calder-clarion.co.uk

You're a 'glass half empty' kind of guy, aren't you. :P

David Lloyd

Clive George said:

Ooh, fantastic! Have seen signage with similar intent in France on some of
the big climbs - I do like the ones every km which tell you how far you've
climbed since the last one.

It can be quite demoralising when you see there are still 10km to the
summit, then you check your computer and it tells you you're doing
7kph. :-)

--
Dave...

On 26 Apr 2007 05:39:46 -0700, dkahn400 <[email hidden]>

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Clive George said:

Ooh, fantastic! Have seen signage with similar intent in France on some of
the big climbs - I do like the ones every km which tell you how far you've
climbed since the last one.

It can be quite demoralising when you see there are still 10km to the
summit, then you check your computer and it tells you you're doing
7kph. :-)

Or on Mont Ventoux, grinding up in the glare of the sun, and the only
thing keeping you sane is doing "multiply by five, divide by eight"
sums as the computer on the bike is in the BRITON'S miles, and the
tombstones at the edge of the road are in km. And you're not even
going fast enough to get away from the flies.

Tim

On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 23:06:59 GMT

John Clayton said:

Have gone and painted on the raod surface - up Holme Moss - "1 mile,
3/4 mile, 1/2 mile, 1/4 mile, 200yds." . To summit - going up the
Yorkshire side.

Today there was a very gusty wind , I don't need the discouragement
this stupid "cycle specific" signing gives. Frankly it just put me
off my ride.

If only Kirklees would do something useful. fat chance.

Hehe. Like someone shouting "encouragement" at you!

/me recollects his first time in true tropical heat and humidity,
the road sign proclaiming 19Km unbroken uphill to come ...
That was on a hire bike, with a triple chainset. This climb wanted
the middle chainring. But the middle chainring was too broken.
So I was on the bottom ring, as for a steep hill,
making a much longer slog of it.

--
not me guv

I'm able-bodied. Why should I want a car?

Tim Hall wrote on 26/04/2007 14:33 +0100:

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Or on Mont Ventoux, grinding up in the glare of the sun, and the only
thing keeping you sane is doing "multiply by five, divide by eight"
sums as the computer on the bike is in the BRITON'S miles, and the
tombstones at the edge of the road are in km. And you're not even
going fast enough to get away from the flies.

So why cycle up it in the first place? Either chose to do it and accept
it without complaint or don't do it. Simple really ;-)

--
Tony

"The most savage controversies are those about matters as to which there
is no good evidence either way."
- Bertrand Russell

Paul Boyd said:

John Clayton said the following on 26/04/2007 00:06:

Quoted message said:

Have gone and painted on the raod surface - up Holme Moss - "1 mile,
3/4 mile, 1/2 mile, 1/4 mile, 200yds." . To summit - going up the
Yorkshire side.

It could have been worse:
"1 mile, 3/4 mile, 1/2 mile, fooled you - 3/4 mile" :-)

Lol.
A bit like 1984/neo Labour.
200yds, 1/4 mile, 1/2 mile, 3/4 mile, all with a line saying "you're
getting closer. :-)

Martin.

Martin Dann wrote on 26/04/2007 23:17 +0100:

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Paul Boyd said:

John Clayton said the following on 26/04/2007 00:06:

Quoted message said:

Have gone and painted on the raod surface - up Holme Moss - "1 mile,
3/4 mile, 1/2 mile, 1/4 mile, 200yds." . To summit - going up the
Yorkshire side.

It could have been worse:
"1 mile, 3/4 mile, 1/2 mile, fooled you - 3/4 mile" :-)

Lol.
A bit like 1984/neo Labour.
200yds, 1/4 mile, 1/2 mile, 3/4 mile, all with a line saying "you're
getting closer. :-)

Better than Xeno markings telling you wherever you are that there is
still halfway left to go ;-)

--
Tony

"The most savage controversies are those about matters as to which there
is no good evidence either way."
- Bertrand Russell

In article <[email hidden]>,
Nick Kew <[email hidden]> writes:
|> On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 23:06:59 GMT
|> "John Clayton" <[email hidden]> wrote:
|>
|> > Have gone and painted on the raod surface - up Holme Moss - "1 mile,
|> > 3/4 mile, 1/2 mile, 1/4 mile, 200yds." . To summit - going up the
|> > Yorkshire side.
|> >
|> > Today there was a very gusty wind , I don't need the discouragement
|> > this stupid "cycle specific" signing gives. Frankly it just put me
|> > off my ride.
|> >
|> > If only Kirklees would do something useful. fat chance.
|>
|> Hehe. Like someone shouting "encouragement" at you!

Some of us like getting away from the encroaching urbanisation of the
late 20th century, and such things are an unpleasant reminder about
how that is increasingly being made impossible, and often illegal.

|> /me recollects his first time in true tropical heat and humidity,
|> the road sign proclaiming 19Km unbroken uphill to come ...
|> That was on a hire bike, with a triple chainset. This climb wanted
|> the middle chainring. But the middle chainring was too broken.
|> So I was on the bottom ring, as for a steep hill,
|> making a much longer slog of it.

If it were true (humid) tropical heat and humidity, you could not have
completed that distance uphill at any more than a slow walk. A VERY
slow walk. Those conditions make the Sahara desert in summer look
like cycling heaven.

Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

Tony Raven said:

Tim Hall wrote on 26/04/2007 14:33 +0100:

Quoted message said:

Or on Mont Ventoux, grinding up in the glare of the sun, and the only
thing keeping you sane is doing "multiply by five, divide by eight"
sums as the computer on the bike is in the BRITON'S miles, and the
tombstones at the edge of the road are in km. And you're not even
going fast enough to get away from the flies.

So why cycle up it in the first place? Either chose to do it and accept
it without complaint or don't do it. Simple really ;-)

Me and George Mallory, we're like that <fx: crosses first and second
fingers>.

Tim

John Clayton said:

Have gone and painted on the raod surface - up Holme Moss - "1 mile, 3/4
mile, 1/2 mile, 1/4 mile, 200yds." . To summit - going up the Yorkshire
side.

Today there was a very gusty wind , I don't need the discouragement this
stupid "cycle specific" signing gives. Frankly it just put me off my ride.

If only Kirklees would do something useful. fat chance.

John
www.calder-clarion.co.uk

John

Kirklees have meetings for cyclists every 3 months, it would be good
to see you at one for the first time.

Then in addition to supporting the Tour of Britain, Yorkshire Tour
Ride, kirklees cycle sportive, West Yorkshire cycle route, various
Sustrans routes and greenways you can say what else you want and how
you are going to achive it

Alternatively you can point out the wonderful things that Wakefield
have done,..... which shouldn't take long!

(Nick Maclaren) said:

In article <[email hidden]>,Nick Kew <[email hidden]> writes:

|> On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 23:06:59 GMT
|> "John Clayton" <[email hidden]> wrote:
|>
|> > Have gone and painted on the raod surface - up Holme Moss - "1 mile,
|> > 3/4 mile, 1/2 mile, 1/4 mile, 200yds." . To summit - going up the
|> > Yorkshire side.
|> >
|> > Today there was a very gusty wind , I don't need the discouragement
|> > this stupid "cycle specific" signing gives. Frankly it just put me
|> > off my ride.
|> >
|> > If only Kirklees would do something useful. fat chance.
|>
|> Hehe. Like someone shouting "encouragement" at you!

Some of us like getting away from the encroaching urbanisation of the
late 20th century, and such things are an unpleasant reminder about
how that is increasingly being made impossible, and often illegal.

|> /me recollects his first time in true tropical heat and humidity,
|> the road sign proclaiming 19Km unbroken uphill to come ...
|> That was on a hire bike, with a triple chainset. This climb wanted
|> the middle chainring. But the middle chainring was too broken.
|> So I was on the bottom ring, as for a steep hill,
|> making a much longer slog of it.

If it were true (humid) tropical heat and humidity, you could not have
completed that distance uphill at any more than a slow walk. A VERY
slow walk. Those conditions make the Sahara desert in summer look
like cycling heaven.

Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

Why couldn't he have ridden at more than 4 mph, he didn't mention how
steep the climb was? I have a weekly training route that over its 25km
climbs just over 4000ft and I normaly complete it in under 2 hours.
That's in tropical heat (+35c) and 100% humidity. Don't knock other
folks accomplishments just because you don't think you could do it. I
will say that riding in the Sahara is easier (High Atlas, Northern
Sahara) than riding in the tropics, but only a bit.

In article <[email hidden]>,
Martyn Bolt <[email hidden]> writes:
|> On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 23:06:59 GMT, "John Clayton"
|> <[email hidden]> wrote:
|>
|> >If only Kirklees would do something useful. fat chance.
|>
|> Kirklees have meetings for cyclists every 3 months, it would be good
|> to see you at one for the first time.
|>
|> Then in addition to supporting the Tour of Britain, Yorkshire Tour
|> Ride, kirklees cycle sportive, West Yorkshire cycle route, various
|> Sustrans routes and greenways you can say what else you want and how
|> you are going to achive it

Some of us regard all the the above as positively harmful, though
with the best of intentions. Now where does that road go that is
paved with good intentions?

Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

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In article <[email hidden]>,

Martyn Bolt said:

Quoted message said:

On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 23:06:59 GMT, "John Clayton"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

> If only Kirklees would do something useful. fat chance.

Kirklees have meetings for cyclists every 3 months, it would be good
to see you at one for the first time.

Then in addition to supporting the Tour of Britain, Yorkshire Tour
Ride, kirklees cycle sportive, West Yorkshire cycle route, various
Sustrans routes and greenways you can say what else you want and
how you are going to achive it

Some of us regard all the the above as positively harmful, though
with the best of intentions. Now where does that road go that is
paved with good intentions?

Edmonton.

--
Dave Larrington
<http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk>
You can't have ham!

"Nick Maclaren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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|> >If only Kirklees would do something useful. fat chance.
|>
|> Kirklees have meetings for cyclists every 3 months, it would be good
|> to see you at one for the first time.
|>
|> Then in addition to supporting the Tour of Britain, Yorkshire Tour
|> Ride, kirklees cycle sportive, West Yorkshire cycle route, various
|> Sustrans routes and greenways you can say what else you want and how
|> you are going to achive it

Some of us regard all the the above as positively harmful, though
with the best of intentions.

All of the above? Really?

clive

"Dave Larrington" <[email hidden]>typed

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In article <[email hidden]>,

Martyn Bolt said:

> On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 23:06:59 GMT, "John Clayton"
> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>> If only Kirklees would do something useful. fat chance.
>
> Kirklees have meetings for cyclists every 3 months, it would be good
> to see you at one for the first time.
>
> Then in addition to supporting the Tour of Britain, Yorkshire Tour
> Ride, kirklees cycle sportive, West Yorkshire cycle route, various
> Sustrans routes and greenways you can say what else you want and
> how you are going to achive it

Some of us regard all the the above as positively harmful, though
with the best of intentions. Now where does that road go that is
paved with good intentions?

Quoted message said:

Edmonton.

You are John Gilpin &ICM£5

--
Helen D. Vecht: [email hidden]
Edgware.

In article <[email hidden]>,
"Clive George" <[email hidden]> writes:
|>
|> > |> Kirklees have meetings for cyclists every 3 months, it would be good
|> > |> to see you at one for the first time.
|> > |>
|> > |> Then in addition to supporting the Tour of Britain, Yorkshire Tour
|> > |> Ride, kirklees cycle sportive, West Yorkshire cycle route, various
|> > |> Sustrans routes and greenways you can say what else you want and how
|> > |> you are going to achive it
|> >
|> > Some of us regard all the the above as positively harmful, though
|> > with the best of intentions.
|>
|> All of the above? Really?

Yup. Regular meetings for cyclists assists the belief that cyclists
are a small, separate group of eccentrics. Supporting racing promotes
the belief that it is an extreme (primarily spectator) sport like
rallying, and not a mode of transport or used in mass recreation. And
supporting Sustrans routes etc. encourages the belief that cyclists
don't belong on the road.

Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

"Nick Maclaren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Yup. Regular meetings for cyclists assists the belief that cyclists
are a small, separate group of eccentrics. Supporting racing promotes
the belief that it is an extreme (primarily spectator) sport like
rallying, and not a mode of transport or used in mass recreation. And
supporting Sustrans routes etc. encourages the belief that cyclists
don't belong on the road.

Ah. You'd be a bit silly then.

Regular meetings for cyclists - like it or not, cyclists are a minority
group, except possibly in places like Cambridge. Without such things,
cyclists will simply be ignored. People in decision making positions like
having a simple point of contact for information, and these meetings offer
this - without them we have to rely on the person's personal experience,
which is likely to be useless.

Supporting racing - it's actually very good for the local economy. I had a
man describing the Otley criteruim races. First set got ignored by the
traders and everybody. Then they noticed the people coming for them - now
they open late specially, because they make money from them. This is exactly
the sort of thing councils should be doing.

You seem to have omitted the cyclo-sportives, which aren't racing or
spectator sport - they're about participation.

And you do know that a lot of the cycle routes being talked about by the
likes of Kirklees aren't off-road sustrans type ones, don't you? Hardly
pushing the opinion that cyclists don't belong on the road.

clive