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  1. Tomorrow the offspring is dipping his cleats into the world of cyclocross
    for the very first time. I have a feeling it may be a shock to the system
    ;-)

    Still he's only doing it for fun, keep his fitness up and improve bike
    handling skills. The latter may be of particular use in continued avoidance
    of motorised numpties if yesterday's journey home from college is anything
    to go by!

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  2. wafflycat wrote on 04/11/2006 16:45 +0100:

    Quoted message said:

    Tomorrow the offspring is dipping his cleats into the world of
    cyclocross for the very first time. I have a feeling it may be a shock
    to the system ;-)

    Still he's only doing it for fun, keep his fitness up and improve bike
    handling skills. The latter may be of particular use in continued
    avoidance of motorised numpties if yesterday's journey home from college
    is anything to go by!

    So has Vernon been doing some on-line shopping or is he going to use
    (shudder) his Cervelo?

    --
    Tony

    "Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to authority is not using
    his intelligence; he is just using his memory."
    - Leonardo da Vinci

  3. "Tony Raven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    wafflycat wrote on 04/11/2006 16:45 +0100:

    Quoted message said:

    Tomorrow the offspring is dipping his cleats into the world of cyclocross
    for the very first time. I have a feeling it may be a shock to the system
    ;-)

    Still he's only doing it for fun, keep his fitness up and improve bike
    handling skills. The latter may be of particular use in continued
    avoidance of motorised numpties if yesterday's journey home from college
    is anything to go by!

    So has Vernon been doing some on-line shopping or is he going to use
    (shudder) his Cervelo?

    Good grief! Not the Cervelo!!

    At Mildenhall we picked up a brand new Kinesis Crosslight Pro 3 frame &
    forks for a remarkably reasonable sum of toonas. Since then, the offspring &
    his father have been fettling. The bike is a mixtue of new and old bits. The
    old bits from Cycling Stuff[TM] we had unused in the garage.

  4. wafflycat said:


    "Tony Raven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    wafflycat wrote on 04/11/2006 16:45 +0100:

    Quoted message said:

    Tomorrow the offspring is dipping his cleats into the world of
    cyclocross for the very first time. I have a feeling it may be a
    shock to the system ;-)

    Still he's only doing it for fun, keep his fitness up and improve
    bike handling skills. The latter may be of particular use in
    continued avoidance of motorised numpties if yesterday's journey home
    from college is anything to go by!

    So has Vernon been doing some on-line shopping or is he going to use
    (shudder) his Cervelo?

    Good grief! Not the Cervelo!!

    At Mildenhall we picked up a brand new Kinesis Crosslight Pro 3 frame &
    forks for a remarkably reasonable sum of toonas. Since then, the
    offspring & his father have been fettling. The bike is a mixtue of new
    and old bits. The old bits from Cycling Stuff[TM] we had unused in the
    garage.


    make sure he packs a garbage bag, and put the washing machine on stand by 😉

    --
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    Marten Gerritsen

    INFOapestaartjeM-GINEERINGpuntNL
    www.m-gineering.nl

  5. "M-gineering" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    wafflycat said:


    "Tony Raven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    wafflycat wrote on 04/11/2006 16:45 +0100:
    > Tomorrow the offspring is dipping his cleats into the world of
    > cyclocross for the very first time. I have a feeling it may be a shock
    > to the system ;-)
    >
    > Still he's only doing it for fun, keep his fitness up and improve bike
    > handling skills. The latter may be of particular use in continued
    > avoidance of motorised numpties if yesterday's journey home from
    > college is anything to go by!
    >

    So has Vernon been doing some on-line shopping or is he going to use
    (shudder) his Cervelo?

    Good grief! Not the Cervelo!!

    At Mildenhall we picked up a brand new Kinesis Crosslight Pro 3 frame &
    forks for a remarkably reasonable sum of toonas. Since then, the
    offspring & his father have been fettling. The bike is a mixtue of new
    and old bits. The old bits from Cycling Stuff[TM] we had unused in the
    garage.


    make sure he packs a garbage bag, and put the washing machine on stand by
    😉

    --
    ---
    Marten Gerritsen

    INFOapestaartjeM-GINEERINGpuntNL
    www.m-gineering.nl

    How did the offspring get on then As I myself have only attended 2
    cyclocross events 1 of them being yesterday. My wife and kids picked a prime
    spot to watch as they saw 6 crashes, 1 off which unfortunately was pretty
    nasty. The course was hastily re-arranged after passing through the accident
    spot on the first lap to slow riders down through the section. I managed to
    stay upright for most of the day only sliding off once on what appeared to
    be an easier section.

    cheers
    Jon_H

  6. "Jon_H" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    How did the offspring get on then As I myself have only attended 2
    cyclocross events 1 of them being yesterday. My wife and kids picked a
    prime spot to watch as they saw 6 crashes, 1 off which unfortunately was
    pretty nasty. The course was hastily re-arranged after passing through the
    accident spot on the first lap to slow riders down through the section. I
    managed to stay upright for most of the day only sliding off once on what
    appeared to be an easier section.

    cheers
    Jon_H

    The offspring is a reconfirmed road man ;-) On the plus side, he managed to
    stay upright.

  7. wafflycat said:

    The offspring is a reconfirmed road man ;-)

    I feel the same every time I go off road..

    Quoted message said:

    On the plus side, he managed to stay upright.

    So he wasn't trying hard enough?
    ;-)
    ...d

  8. David Martin said:
    wafflycat said:

    The offspring is a reconfirmed road man ;-)

    I feel the same every time I go off road..

    Quoted message said:

    On the plus side, he managed to stay upright.

    So he wasn't trying hard enough?
    ;-)

    There weren't any lorries or coaches to chase ;-)
    But seriously, after the Big Build Up, are we going to get a result?

    I've always had the utmost respect for those who compete in mudplugging.
    Its a great sport and has all the drama you could hope for - short
    laps, gruelling courses, tumbles,
    man-against-mud-against-mud-against-man.
    No relianceon slip-streaming artics ;-)
    Its not a sport for softies.
    Unfortunately in Britain cyclocross has lost much support and is now
    second-string to MTB racing. Events only seem to attract friends,
    helpers and the local dog population :-(
    It deserves better.

    We regularly go over to Belgium and see the top events over the
    Christmas/New Year where there is a series of top professional events.
    The Diegem Super Prestige is our favourite, where the pros can be seen
    up close slogging it out while spectators sup hot grog and chestnusts
    from braziers - and of course there is sometimes a British presence in
    our own Roger H :-)
    Whole villages are shut down for the races, which usually a circuit on
    the village outskirts and a dash up the main street each lap. The
    atmospere is tremendous.

    Personally I never got to grips with the sport, although I once
    organised the South of England Championships - and rode them.

    But as a spectator sport, the top events should not be missed.

    The lad is commended for having a go.

    John B

  9. Jon_H said:

    How did the offspring get on then As I myself have only attended 2
    cyclocross events 1 of them being yesterday.

    Swanwick School?
    Alan.
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  10. wafflycat said:


    "Jon_H" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    How did the offspring get on then As I myself have only attended 2
    cyclocross events 1 of them being yesterday. My wife and kids picked a
    prime spot to watch as they saw 6 crashes, 1 off which unfortunately
    was pretty nasty. The course was hastily re-arranged after passing
    through the accident spot on the first lap to slow riders down through
    the section. I managed to stay upright for most of the day only
    sliding off once on what appeared to be an easier section.

    cheers
    Jon_H

    The offspring is a reconfirmed road man ;-) On the plus side, he managed
    to stay upright.

    but, cyclo-cross is what the confirmed road men do in the winter

  11. "Pete Whelan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    but, cyclo-cross is what the confirmed road men do in the winter


    He'd like it better if it was done on the road ;-)

  12. John B said:


    I've always had the utmost respect for those who compete in mudplugging.
    Its a great sport and has all the drama you could hope for - short
    laps, gruelling courses, tumbles,
    man-against-mud-against-mud-against-man.

    Agreed - haven't done one yet this year (but hope to in 2-3 weeks'
    time), but they are great fun. Mud and dead leaves can (for those of us
    too poor to own a 2nd bike and get all the goo cleaned off the other
    one after it's piled up so much that the front wheel's siezed [1])
    sometimes prove to be as formidable an opponent as the other riders!

    Quoted message said:

    No relianceon slip-streaming artics ;-)
    Its not a sport for softies.
    Unfortunately in Britain cyclocross has lost much support and is now
    second-string to MTB racing. Events only seem to attract friends,
    helpers and the local dog population :-(
    It deserves better.

    Depends on the area - in the East Mids it seems to have a big
    following, attracting large fields (so much so that sometimes, as I
    understand it, it's been necessary to have F1-style "gridding" based on
    ability/previous results in order to avoid traffic jams out on the
    course!) and healthy numbers of spectators; my own experience has been
    with the West Mids and Yorkshire leagues where things seem a little
    quieter, not that it's ever detracted from the experience of competing.
    The MTB thing is a bit of a curate's egg; it's meant that some
    top-quality off-roaders have switched to racing MTBs in the summer, but
    on the other hand ownership of cheap MTBs has attracted people to
    'cross who want to try it for a bit of fun or off-season training
    without having to fork out for yet another bike.
    I got into it partly by accident having bought a cheap S/H 'cross frame
    as a winter trainer, with the intention of occasionally taking the
    muguards off and popping knobbly tyres on for a bit of off-road fun
    riding. Then I decided to try a race and the rest is history; in terms
    of spec, my 'best' bike is now the 'cross one with the road bike
    relegated to also-ran!

    David Belcher

    [1] Due in part to my first 'cross machine being built with a narrow
    road-style fork crown. Oops.

  13. Pete Whelan said:


    Quoted message said:

    "Jon_H" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    How did the offspring get on then...

    The offspring is a reconfirmed road man ;-) On the plus side, he managed
    to stay upright.

    but, cyclo-cross is what the confirmed road men do in the winter

    Still no result though.
    Perhaps he didn't finish ;-)

    No disgrace in that if so, but it would be only fair to say.

    John B

  14. "David E. Belcher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    John B said:


    I've always had the utmost respect for those who compete in mudplugging.
    Its a great sport and has all the drama you could hope for - short
    laps, gruelling courses, tumbles,
    man-against-mud-against-mud-against-man.

    Agreed - haven't done one yet this year (but hope to in 2-3 weeks'
    time), but they are great fun. Mud and dead leaves can (for those of us
    too poor to own a 2nd bike and get all the goo cleaned off the other
    one after it's piled up so much that the front wheel's siezed [1])
    sometimes prove to be as formidable an opponent as the other riders!

    Quoted message said:

    No relianceon slip-streaming artics ;-)
    Its not a sport for softies.
    Unfortunately in Britain cyclocross has lost much support and is now
    second-string to MTB racing. Events only seem to attract friends,
    helpers and the local dog population :-(
    It deserves better.

    Depends on the area - in the East Mids it seems to have a big
    following, attracting large fields (so much so that sometimes, as I
    understand it, it's been necessary to have F1-style "gridding" based on
    ability/previous results in order to avoid traffic jams out on the
    course!) and healthy numbers of spectators; my own experience has been
    with the West Mids and Yorkshire leagues where things seem a little
    quieter, not that it's ever detracted from the experience of competing.
    The MTB thing is a bit of a curate's egg; it's meant that some
    top-quality off-roaders have switched to racing MTBs in the summer, but
    on the other hand ownership of cheap MTBs has attracted people to
    'cross who want to try it for a bit of fun or off-season training
    without having to fork out for yet another bike.
    I got into it partly by accident having bought a cheap S/H 'cross frame
    as a winter trainer, with the intention of occasionally taking the
    muguards off and popping knobbly tyres on for a bit of off-road fun
    riding. Then I decided to try a race and the rest is history; in terms
    of spec, my 'best' bike is now the 'cross one with the road bike
    relegated to also-ran!

    David Belcher

    [1] Due in part to my first 'cross machine being built with a narrow
    road-style fork crown. Oops.

    I have had 2 goes at cross so far and will be going again in a couple of
    weeks. The 2 events I have been to have used a grid system with placed
    riders at the front as they have both had in excess of 70 starters for the
    senior race in the Wessex league. I have only come off twice so far, once on
    a practice lap in my first race and the second time slipped sideways while
    trying to turn on a incline on my last lap on Saturday. My frame cost me 8
    quid and is made up of cast offs from others, the most expensive being a bar
    end shifter. The thing I have no idea about is tyres as I have glued a pair
    of vittoria cross tubs onto some old sprint rims I had in the garage, they
    seem ok but they are 28's and from what I have seen most others run fatter
    tyres. there are some good pics of the last event at
    http://www.dgs-photography.co.uk
    and the photographer captured a spill on one of the slopes (around image 90
    ish)
    cheers
    Jon_H

    Quoted message said:
  15. "Jon_H" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "David E. Belcher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    John B said:


    I've always had the utmost respect for those who compete in mudplugging.
    Its a great sport and has all the drama you could hope for - short
    laps, gruelling courses, tumbles,
    man-against-mud-against-mud-against-man.

    Agreed - haven't done one yet this year (but hope to in 2-3 weeks'
    time), but they are great fun. Mud and dead leaves can (for those of us
    too poor to own a 2nd bike and get all the goo cleaned off the other
    one after it's piled up so much that the front wheel's siezed [1])
    sometimes prove to be as formidable an opponent as the other riders!

    Quoted message said:

    No relianceon slip-streaming artics ;-)
    Its not a sport for softies.
    Unfortunately in Britain cyclocross has lost much support and is now
    second-string to MTB racing. Events only seem to attract friends,
    helpers and the local dog population :-(
    It deserves better.

    Depends on the area - in the East Mids it seems to have a big
    following, attracting large fields (so much so that sometimes, as I
    understand it, it's been necessary to have F1-style "gridding" based on
    ability/previous results in order to avoid traffic jams out on the
    course!) and healthy numbers of spectators; my own experience has been
    with the West Mids and Yorkshire leagues where things seem a little
    quieter, not that it's ever detracted from the experience of competing.
    The MTB thing is a bit of a curate's egg; it's meant that some
    top-quality off-roaders have switched to racing MTBs in the summer, but
    on the other hand ownership of cheap MTBs has attracted people to
    'cross who want to try it for a bit of fun or off-season training
    without having to fork out for yet another bike.
    I got into it partly by accident having bought a cheap S/H 'cross frame
    as a winter trainer, with the intention of occasionally taking the
    muguards off and popping knobbly tyres on for a bit of off-road fun
    riding. Then I decided to try a race and the rest is history; in terms
    of spec, my 'best' bike is now the 'cross one with the road bike
    relegated to also-ran!

    David Belcher

    [1] Due in part to my first 'cross machine being built with a narrow
    road-style fork crown. Oops.

    I have had 2 goes at cross so far and will be going again in a couple of
    weeks. The 2 events I have been to have used a grid system with placed
    riders at the front as they have both had in excess of 70 starters for the
    senior race in the Wessex league. I have only come off twice so far, once
    on a practice lap in my first race and the second time slipped sideways
    while trying to turn on a incline on my last lap on Saturday. My frame
    cost me 8 quid and is made up of cast offs from others, the most expensive
    being a bar end shifter. The thing I have no idea about is tyres as I have
    glued a pair of vittoria cross tubs onto some old sprint rims I had in the
    garage, they seem ok but they are 28's and from what I have seen most
    others run fatter tyres. there are some good pics of the last event at
    http://www.dgs-photography.co.uk
    and the photographer captured a spill on one of the slopes (around image
    90 ish)
    cheers
    Jon_H

    Quoted message said:

    As far as results go for me I have improved slightly going from 2nd last to
    4th last of the finishers in only 2 events.

    cheers
    Jon_H

  16. Jon_H said:

    I have had 2 goes at cross so far and will be going again in a couple of
    weeks. The 2 events I have been to have used a grid system with placed
    riders at the front as they have both had in excess of 70 starters for the
    senior race in the Wessex league.

    That's great to hear. The Wessex events have usually had a good following, and
    have a history of bringing some good riders into the sport. The League is well
    contested.
    Which event will you be riding?

    I'll likely be (as a spectator) at the South of England Championships on 4th
    December at the Southampton Sports Centre, then again at the big one - the
    Nationals at the same venue on 6th/7th January.

    Quoted message said:

    I have only come off twice so far, once on
    a practice lap in my first race and the second time slipped sideways while
    trying to turn on a incline on my last lap on Saturday...

    Quoted message said:

    and the photographer captured a spill on one of the slopes (around image 90
    ish)

    You weren't No.3 were you ;-)

    Nice one ;-)

    John B

  17. David E. Belcher said:

    Depends on the area - in the East Mids it seems to have a big
    following, attracting large fields (so much so that sometimes, as I
    understand it, it's been necessary to have F1-style "gridding" based on
    ability/previous results in order to avoid traffic jams out on the
    course!)

    Participation in the Notts and Derby League has dropped quite a lot in
    the last 2 years, typically now we have between 75 and 100 in the main
    race. 3 or 4 years ago there was talk of limiting the entries, as so
    many were turning up, 165 at one race. Yes, there is still gridding at
    the start, this has gone down quite well, national and top 25 riders in
    the front, league positions 25-50, and national ranked in the 2nd box,
    50-75 league positions in box 3, and any one else in box 4.there is a
    roughly 50 yard difference between box 1 and 4.(so, the top riders dont
    go so far!) If you dont agree with where you should be starting from,
    then you can have a word with the starter/commissaire, and ask if you
    can go up a box etc.
    I think the West Mids league may now have more participants overall than
    the N&D, as the W.Mids have separate Seniors and Vets/ladies races.The
    W.Mids was struggling 5 years ago, it is doing really well now - over 50
    in the vets/ladies race regulalry.

    Despite, or because of, the high numbers taking part, the N&D committee
    stood still, and said there was no need to divide the field into 2
    races, and so we still have the aged 70+ riders (and me!) on the same
    course as GB team members who do at least 2 laps more than mere mortals.
    The results show this vast difference in ability.The bottom 20 places
    are nearly always taken by the Vets and Ladies.

    Numbers dropped a lot last year when the entry fee went up to £10 for
    all races, coupled with the fact that there are absolutely no facilities
    at some courses(you want to go toilet - "where do bears go?"😉, then you
    can see why some people dont bother any more.
    There was also a lot of acrimony between 'fast' riders, and slower ones
    being lapped.Because there were so many on the course, the fast riders
    would be lapping 50+ people during the race, some were quite polite
    'coming up on your right', others just SHOUTED 'RIDER', expecting the
    slower one to get out of the way completely,by looking through the eyes
    on the back of their head to see which way to go.
    The slower riders were all paying the prize money for these people, and
    were getting a little resentful at the abuse they'd get if they
    inadvertently got in someones way.(Prize money was getting good back
    then - £100 for the winner in a few races, and cash down to around 25th
    place).
    It took a few weeks of talks from the starters to get order back in the
    field - a couple of people were banned for pushing others off, and one
    was banned when he threw a punch at one of my team mates.

    With the drop in numbers, things have settled down, so it is now quite
    nice to attend these events again, more of a family atmosphere again,
    where everyone says hello, and with the drop in attendance, there has
    been a drop in prize money - the best thing the N&D committee did was to
    stop paying so much out on the day in prizes - any excess goes into the
    prize fund for the league, so now down to 50th place gets something at
    the end of season presentation. This drop in race prize money has
    deterred many of the riders who would just trun up for the prize money -
    it was this type of racer who had no affinity with the league, and only
    turned up to win, that caused a lot of ill feeling.

    One of these 'top riders' fell off in front of me at one race, he had
    misjudged a corner, and went straight into a tree, breaking a shifter,
    because he was leading, and had less than half a lap to go, I offered
    him my bike to finish the race, he refused, and instead of just getting
    up and running with the bike, he pulled out.Even with a slow jog, he had
    so much time in front of the 2nd palced that he would easily have won.
    I was rather surprised then to see the race report in the local paper
    that week, when he was qouted as saying that he had been 'taken out by a
    backmarker' and couldnt continue because of an injury sustained. I
    thought, "what a lying [censored]". I told this story to a few other people
    afterwards, and they all said the same about him - good ability, but a
    real [censored].

    Alan.
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  18. A.Lee alan@darkroom.+.com said:

    think the West Mids league may now have more participants overall than
    the N&D, as the W.Mids have separate Seniors and Vets/ladies races.The
    W.Mids was struggling 5 years ago, it is doing really well now - over 50
    in the vets/ladies race regulalry.

    A quick look at the results from the W.Mids shows that yes, there does
    seem to be as many, if not more entering overall than the N&D race.
    On 29th Oct, there were 77 entered in the Vets/ladies/junior race - that
    is bloody good going when the majority are over 40yo.
    Alan.
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  19. "A.Lee" <alan@darkroom.+.com> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    A.Lee alan@darkroom.+.com said:

    think the West Mids league may now have more participants overall than
    the N&D, as the W.Mids have separate Seniors and Vets/ladies races.The
    W.Mids was struggling 5 years ago, it is doing really well now - over 50
    in the vets/ladies race regulalry.

    A quick look at the results from the W.Mids shows that yes, there does
    seem to be as many, if not more entering overall than the N&D race.
    On 29th Oct, there were 77 entered in the Vets/ladies/junior race - that
    is bloody good going when the majority are over 40yo.
    Alan.
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    To reply by e-mail, change the ' + ' to 'plus'.

    I'll be riding the Newbury event on the 26th of November and I was number 35
    just going past when no 3 scrambled back to his bike it was an evil slope
    with some large divots running across it. I tend to lift my [censored] off the
    saddle and slide it as far back as I can on downhill's with my cranks
    parallel to the floor it seems to work for me. there were six crashes of a
    similar ilk on one of the other sections on the first lap and the course was
    re-arranged slightly so riders had to reduce their speed on a short flat
    section before the next downhill bank.

    cheers
    Jon_H

  20. In article <[email hidden]>
    Jon_H <[email hidden]> wrote:
    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    As far as results go for me I have improved slightly going from 2nd last to
    4th last of the finishers in only 2 events.


    So you're twice as good now. :-)

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