Cyclists win police court battle!



In message <[email protected]>,
Yorkie <[email protected]> writes
>I will choose the route I use, depending on which I feel is safest and
>most suitable for me at the time. You won't tell me which route to use,
>I will choose.
True, but if you're having an argument with a car and a cycle track runs
alongside, then I would have thought that would have weakened your case
considerably.
--
Clive
 
Clive wrote:
> In message <[email protected]>,
> Yorkie <[email protected]> writes
>
>> I will choose the route I use, depending on which I feel is safest and
>> most suitable for me at the time. You won't tell me which route to
>> use, I will choose.
>
> True, but if you're having an argument with a car and a cycle track runs
> alongside, then I would have thought that would have weakened your case
> considerably.

You'd think that, wouldn't you? But in the absence of any legal
compulsion to use said facility, and with the current wording of the
Highway Code, you'd be wrong.

Again.
 
Clive wrote:
> In message <[email protected]>,
> Yorkie <[email protected]> writes
> >I will choose the route I use, depending on which I feel is safest and
> >most suitable for me at the time. You won't tell me which route to use,
> >I will choose.
> True, but if you're having an argument with a car and a cycle track runs
> alongside, then I would have thought that would have weakened your case
> considerably.

Huh? Does the existence of a cycletrack adjacent to a road mean that
cyclists lose their rights when cycling on the road? I don't think so!

There is a road in my city that has an adjacent cycle path which
by-passes red lights; I usually choose not to use it as there are no
lights for pedestrians/cyclists to indicate when it is safe to cross.
If the lights for the road are at red, I will use the cycle path with
caution. If the lights are at green it is dangerous (IMO) to use the
cycle path as a car could turn left in my path.
 
Tom Crispin wrote:
>
> Who has priority when the 20' long "dedicated" through route comes to
> an end?

Interesting question, and what if the cycle lane is on the pavement,
and then curves into the road? if you are cycling along the road, at
the point where the cycle lane starts, do you have priority to enter
the cycle lane or do cyclists turning into the road have priority?
 
Brimstone wrote:
> In news:[email protected],
> Clive said:
> > In message <[email protected]>, Andy Leighton
> > <[email protected]> writes
> >> How do you define drunk?
> > When in the eyes of the law, you are deemed as unfit through drink or
> > drugs.
>
> Wrong again. Simply being over the blood/alcohol limit doesn't mean you're
> drunk.

Where did he say that unfit == being over the blood EtOH limit?
...d
 
"Clive" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In message <[email protected]>, wafflycat <?@?.com.invalid>
> writes
>>. On the other hand, pedestrias, cyclists and horseriders do have a right
>>to use the roads..
> If you really believe that, I challenge you to try it when you're drunk. I
> doubt you'll get beyond the local nick.
> --
> Clive

Spoken like a true petrolhead. Actually, some of us don't get drunk. And
it's *fact* that motorists (and I am one) don't have a *right* to use the
road. When motoring, we do so by virtue of a *licence*. Whereas pedestrains,
cyclists & horseriders do so by way of a *right*.

But, hey, when has anything like truth actually been important to a
petrolhead ;-)

Cheers, helen s
 
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> In message <[email protected]>, Al C-F
> <[email protected]> writes
> >Actually, cyclists have more right to use public roads.
> Utter ****.

Do you HAVE a driving licence?

If so, how did you obtain it?

And have you ever noticed that it can be revoked?

--
Dave Larrington - <http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/>
Apparently Guy has now got a Brompton. I'd never have guessed.
 
"wafflycat" <w*a*ff£y£cat*@£btco*nn£ect.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Clive" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> In message <[email protected]>, wafflycat <?@?.com.invalid>
>> writes
>>>. On the other hand, pedestrias, cyclists and horseriders do have a right
>>>to use the roads..
>> If you really believe that, I challenge you to try it when you're drunk.
>> I doubt you'll get beyond the local nick.
>> --
>> Clive
>
> Spoken like a true petrolhead. Actually, some of us don't get drunk. And
> it's *fact* that motorists (and I am one) don't have a *right* to use the
> road. When motoring, we do so by virtue of a *licence*. Whereas
> pedestrains, cyclists & horseriders do so by way of a *right*.
>

Ummm... the licence grants the *right* to use the road? until such time as
licence is revoked. When the right to use the road is restricted to the
status of cyclist/horserider/pedestrian.

:eek:)
 
On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 11:42:41 +0100, wafflycat wrote:

> motorists (and I am one) don't have a *right* to use the
> road.

That's untrue, but a common misunderstanding.
 
Al C-F wrote:
> Conor wrote:
> > In article <[email protected]>, Al C-F says...
> >>Or, to put it differently, if there isn't enough space to overtake
> >>cyclists two abreast, there isn't enough space to overtake one cyclist.
> >>
> >
> > Yes there is. Perhaps if you'd ever had any lessons in how to use the
> > roads you ride on, you'd know.
> >
> Perhaps you'd care to explain that assertion. Please feel free to use
> diagrams from the Highway Code if you think they'll help you.

To overtake a cycle safely you must give it x metres. A cyclist's right
arm will be y metres from the curb. Therefore the left side of your
vehicle is x + y metres from the curb.

To overtake two cycles, you must give the one on the right x metres.
That cyclist will be z metres from the inside cyclist's right arm,
which will be y metres from the curb. Therefore the left side of your
vehicle needs to be x + y + z metres from the curb.

Therefore to overtake cyclists two-abreast safely you need an
additional z metres (probably arround 1 metre) than overtaking one
safely.
 
Clive wrote:
> In message <[email protected]>, Al C-F

> >And, please tell me which organisations repalce damaged tyres. I'd
> >like to join.

> Those outlets that motorist pay to by new tyres at.

I have never had to replace a car tyre due to anything other than being
worn out. A significant fraction of my bike tyre replacements have been
due to lacerations from glass debris on the roads.

TL
 
In article <[email protected]>, %steve%
@malloc.co.uk says...
> On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 11:42:41 +0100, wafflycat wrote:
>
> > motorists (and I am one) don't have a *right* to use the
> > road.
>
> That's untrue, but a common misunderstanding.

You are this: wrong.

--
Dave Larrington - <http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/>
The entire population of Uxbridge has no idea that it doesn't actually
exist.
 
On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 10:24:12 +0100 someone who may be Clive
<[email protected]> wrote this:-

>>I will choose the route I use, depending on which I feel is safest and
>>most suitable for me at the time. You won't tell me which route to use,
>>I will choose.
>
>True, but if you're having an argument with a car and a cycle track runs
>alongside, then I would have thought that would have weakened your case
>considerably.

I take it that you apply the same logic to motorists too? Those
motorists who take the faster motorway have a reduced case because
they didn't use the winding old road.


--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54
 
"Conor" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>, Tom Crispin
> says...

> > Cyclists have more right to use most roads.
> >
> > A motorist's need to earn their *right* to use the road by
> > demonstrating basic motoring competence, and their *right* can be
> > taken away for extreme or serial law breaking. A cyclist's right
> > doesn't need to be earned and cannot usually be taken away.
> >
> Thankyou for demonstrating that cyclists are unfit to be on the road. I
> guess such lack of basic instruction explains why so many cyclists go
> through red lights and ride on the pavement.
>

Exactly how do you believe your statement follows from the correction you
have been given?
 
"ian henden" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> Ummm... the licence grants the *right* to use the road? until such time as
> licence is revoked. When the right to use the road is restricted to the
> status of cyclist/horserider/pedestrian.
>

No, it grants permission.

Rights cannot normally be extinguished. Permission frequently (especially
in the case of drivers of motorcars) is.
 
"Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 11:42:41 +0100, wafflycat wrote:
>
> > motorists (and I am one) don't have a *right* to use the
> > road.
>
> That's untrue, but a common misunderstanding.

Please explain why there are legislation and regulation governing licenses
for the use of motorcars, then.
 
"Clive" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In message <[email protected]>,
> Yorkie <[email protected]> writes
> >I will choose the route I use, depending on which I feel is safest and
> >most suitable for me at the time. You won't tell me which route to use,
> >I will choose.
> True, but if you're having an argument with a car and a cycle track runs
> alongside, then I would have thought that would have weakened your case
> considerably.

Well, you're wrong.
 
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