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  1. Hi all,
    For job reasons I have to move into town which means moving away from
    my house with its shed where my 3 bikes are kept. I at least want to
    keep 2 of them (road and mountain bikes). I have now rung up several
    landlords, letting agencies and the like sating that one of my primary
    concerns is a secure lock-up or room for my bikes in the house is a
    must. Most have said, "There's a railing outside you can tie it too"!
    My bikes are worth over £1000 each a bit much to be left in the road.
    Furthermore, they fail to see that the bikes should be kept inside
    where no security can be made available. The landpeople seem to think
    a bike should be kept outside.
    Anyone else come across this? It possibly means that the only places
    available to me are ones with garages which in a city would attract a
    higher premium and would also be rare.

    Thanks
    Sam

  2. SG said:

    Hi all,
    For job reasons I have to move into town which means moving away from
    my house with its shed where my 3 bikes are kept. I at least want to
    keep 2 of them (road and mountain bikes). I have now rung up several
    landlords, letting agencies and the like sating that one of my primary
    concerns is a secure lock-up or room for my bikes in the house is a
    must. Most have said, "There's a railing outside you can tie it too"!
    My bikes are worth over £1000 each a bit much to be left in the road.
    Furthermore, they fail to see that the bikes should be kept inside
    where no security can be made available. The landpeople seem to think
    a bike should be kept outside.
    Anyone else come across this? It possibly means that the only places
    available to me are ones with garages which in a city would attract a
    higher premium and would also be rare.

    What's wrong with taking them inside?

    R.

  3. Why mention the bikes at all? After all - once you have a tenancy, provided
    you aren't causing any damage there is no grounds to object! It's hardly
    illegal and it's not a standard tenancy term that bicycles aren't allowed
    inside a property. Once the bike is in and the doors are locked - you are
    secure. Surely all you need is sufficent space *in* the property to keep
    your bike.

    Cheers, helen s

  4. Yes - surely all you need to specify to the letting agent is that it
    must be a ground-floor flat. ;-)

    d.

  5. Quoted message said:

    The landpeople seem to think a bike should be kept outside.
    Anyone else come across this?

    Sure. I explained they'd get nicked if left outside, even if they were
    locked. Also mentioned that a nice bike on the outside would attract
    burglars to the inside. Worked nicely :-)

  6. Not really, just pay attention to the width of the stairs. I happily rented
    a 2nd floor Glasgow tenament flat for 3 years without any problems getting
    my bikes in & out, save a few wobbly legs climbing the stairs with bike on
    shoulder after long road rides.

    I have a good few years of keeping bikes indoors in rented digs. I'm
    actually moving from Glasgow down to Poole in a couple of months, and have
    simply stipulated whenever talking to letting agents that I've got to have 2
    bedrooms. I don't tell them that one is for me & the missus and the other is
    for my bikes.

    A top tip is to check out the possibilities for places to do any maintenance
    or similar on your bike. Things like stripping parts, cleaning or oiling
    can't be done inside & I've found the flaw with the place I'm in at the
    moment is the small garden is either grass or gravellled path. The kids next
    door have learnt a few new colourful words when I drop a washer, nut, screw
    etc in the gravel! Can't wait to get a garage or shed to work in.

    "davek" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Yes - surely all you need to specify to the letting agent is that it
    must be a ground-floor flat. ;-)

    d.

  7. wafflycat said:

    Surely all you need is sufficent space *in* the
    property to keep your bike.

    ...and a bath to stand the MTB in after a muddy ride. Otherwise the
    carpets get all mucky and landlords don't like that. ;-)

    Tony

  8. Paul D said:


    A top tip is to check out the possibilities for places to do any maintenance
    or similar on your bike.

    That's what kitchens are for.

    Quoted message said:

    Things like stripping parts, cleaning or oiling
    can't be done inside

    That's what kitchen sinks are for.

    Tony

  9. Tony Raven said:
    Paul D said:


    A top tip is to check out the possibilities for places to do any maintenance
    or similar on your bike.

    That's what kitchens are for.

    Absolutely - most seem to come designed for that very purpose - hot
    and cold running water, smooth wipe-clean floor, lots of nice
    worksurface, tea and coffee readily to hand. Other than wall space
    for all teh tools, it's hard to think of a better equipped workshop.

    regards, Ian SMith
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  10. wafflycat' wafflesATv21netDOTcoDOTuk said:

    Why mention the bikes at all? After all - once you have a tenancy,
    provided you aren't causing any damage there is no grounds to object!
    It's hardly illegal and it's not a standard tenancy term that
    bicycles aren't allowed inside a property....

    You would be surprised at some lease restrictions that specifically say
    bikes must not be taken indoors. I was reading a horror story about
    someone living in a condominium complex who repeatedly got harassed by the
    concierge about taking his $3000 bike through the common parts, and was
    asked to park it in the basement communal bike area.

  11. wafflycat said:

    it's not a standard tenancy term that bicycles aren't allowed
    inside a property.

    Isn't it? My tenancy agreement when I was at university specified just
    that. It evidently wasn't written by the landlord, who was a thoroughly
    nice bloke and a cyclist and was quite happy for us to keep our bikes in
    our rooms.

    --
    Danny Colyer (the UK company has been laughed out of my reply address)
    <URL:http://www.speedy5.freeserve.co.uk/danny/>
    "He who dares not offend cannot be honest." - Thomas Paine

  12. SG said:

    Hi all,
    For job reasons I have to move into town which means moving away from
    my house with its shed where my 3 bikes are kept. I at least want to
    keep 2 of them (road and mountain bikes). I have now rung up several
    landlords, letting agencies and the like sating that one of my primary
    concerns is a secure lock-up or room for my bikes in the house is a
    must. Most have said, "There's a railing outside you can tie it too"!
    My bikes are worth over £1000 each a bit much to be left in the road.
    Furthermore, they fail to see that the bikes should be kept inside
    where no security can be made available. The landpeople seem to think
    a bike should be kept outside.
    Anyone else come across this? It possibly means that the only places
    available to me are ones with garages which in a city would attract a
    higher premium and would also be rare.

    Thanks
    Sam

    As cyclists, of course, it is us who discriminate against landlords who
    don't offer cycle parking. It's a free market and all that.

    I have a bad habit of popping into show houses and apartments and
    feigning interest until being told that the exposed, uncovered, shared
    sheffield stands are the only bike parking.

  13. "Danny Colyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    wafflycat said:

    it's not a standard tenancy term that bicycles aren't allowed inside a
    property.

    Isn't it? My tenancy agreement when I was at university specified just
    that. It evidently wasn't written by the landlord, who was a thoroughly
    nice bloke and a cyclist and was quite happy for us to keep our bikes in
    our rooms.

    No, it's not a *standard* term; having been a landlord before & done the
    tenancy stuff. It may be that you come across the agent/landlord who for
    some reason has a thing against bikes, but it's not a standard thing.

    Cheers, helen s

    Quoted message said:

    --
    Danny Colyer (the UK company has been laughed out of my reply address)
    <URL:http://www.speedy5.freeserve.co.uk/danny/>
    "He who dares not offend cannot be honest." - Thomas Paine

  14. It's generally the bathroom sink that gets used for parts cleaning, kitchen
    sink perminently full of dirty dishes! Left a good few marks on the lino in
    the kitchen of my Glasgow tenament before the missus pointed out I might
    want to use the brake to stop the wheel spinning rather that just dropping
    it on the floor & laying down some rubber. Also had a bit of a no-brainer
    day in another flat when I went to oil my chain before a ride and only
    realised what I was doing when the oil started to drip off onto the hall
    carpet, duh!

    The guy that checked out the glasgow flat at the end didn't even notice the
    kitchen floor, was more interested in the giant red wine stain on the blue
    lounge carpet...

    "Ian Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 19:20:14 +0000, Tony Raven <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Paul D said:


    A top tip is to check out the possibilities for places to do any
    maintenance
    or similar on your bike.

    That's what kitchens are for.

    Absolutely - most seem to come designed for that very purpose - hot
    and cold running water, smooth wipe-clean floor, lots of nice
    worksurface, tea and coffee readily to hand. Other than wall space
    for all teh tools, it's hard to think of a better equipped workshop.

    regards, Ian SMith
    --
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    |o o|
    |/ \|

  15. Ian Smith said:

    Absolutely - most seem to come designed for that very purpose - hot
    and cold running water, smooth wipe-clean floor, lots of nice
    worksurface, tea and coffee readily to hand. Other than wall space
    for all teh tools, it's hard to think of a better equipped workshop.

    Which conjured up the image of a "cyclist's kitchen" where the chainwhip
    and cone spanners where attached to the magnetic strip with all the
    knives. :-)

    Jon

  16. Not Responding said:

    I have a bad habit of popping into show houses and apartments and
    feigning interest until being told that the exposed, uncovered, shared
    sheffield stands are the only bike parking.

    Do you do this with genuine intent to move, or just to promote a cycle
    storage market?

    Jon

  17. Jon Senior said:
    Not Responding said:

    I have a bad habit of popping into show houses and apartments and
    feigning interest until being told that the exposed, uncovered, shared
    sheffield stands are the only bike parking.

    Do you do this with genuine intent to move, or just to promote a cycle
    storage market?

    Primarily, I have a genuine interest in urban design. The cycle storage
    bit is exactly as you say, a sort of subversive promotion of cycling
    requirements. I want developers to *want* to provide cycle parking
    rather than see it as an onerous requirement of the planning authority.

    I have no interest in moving house. I took this house when I married 12
    years ago and have every intention of pegging out here.

  18. Danny Colyer said:
    wafflycat said:

    it's not a standard tenancy term that bicycles aren't allowed inside a
    property.

    Isn't it? My tenancy agreement when I was at university specified just
    that.

    In my workplace they are banned from the buildings on safety grounds,
    the reasoning being that if they were being wheeled through a corridor
    when the fire alarm went off...

    Of course the same reasoning doesn't apply to porters' trolleys. Perhaps
    I should add two stabiliser wheels and wire some internal post to the
    rack ;-)

    R.

  19. Jon Senior said:
    Quoted message said:

    I have a bad habit of popping into show houses and apartments and
    feigning interest until being told that the exposed, uncovered, shared
    sheffield stands are the only bike parking.

    Do you do this with genuine intent to move, or just to promote a cycle
    storage market?

    A little while back I attended a meeting that was considering a planning
    application. Outline planning permission was sought for an estate of
    about 30 houses, in a small village where all the access roads are so
    narrow as to require passing places for bike-meets-car. I assumed that
    the application was intended to pave the way for a less disproportionate
    application, that could be seen as a definite improvement by the locals.

    Several people stood up and made points: the sewerage system couldn't
    cope; the land in question was vital to drainage and building on it
    would cause flooding, and the standard nimby arguments about the view
    from the village school, etc.

    I stood up and made an argument about the road access, that I hope
    provoked thought amongst everyone there. If the developer were to
    come back with a more proportionate plan, they might be seen more
    favourably if they take active measures to make the houses attractive
    to non car users. Firstly, they should include professional grade
    broadband internet in all the houses, to make them more attractive
    to people working from home (and of course make it available to
    others in the village). Secondly, they should consider sponsoring
    alternative means of transport, such as maybe a regular shuttle bus
    service to the nearest point with a good/regular bus service
    (under two miles away), and secure bicycle parking at that point.

    I think the fact that I'm known locally to practice what I preach
    may have helped a little with credibility there.

    --
    Nick Kew

  20. wafflycat said:

    It's hardly illegal and it's not a standard tenancy term that bicycles
    aren't allowed inside a property.

    Actually, yes it does tend to be.

    And while generally it will be one of those clauses which no-one's going
    to know if you break, when it comes to reclaiming your deposit, if the
    landlord/agent notices plenty of rubber scuff marks on the floor/wall
    questions will be asked and money withheld ...

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