cyclist contemplating a marathon

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Hi Rick, as someone who has cycled and also run, I'll take a stab at your
question.

Rick Anderson wrote in message <[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

I’m a long time cyclist (20+ years) contemplating running a marathon. I
have run for cross training and have competed in a few
biathlons/duathlons in recent years. I began running more seriously this
summer while training for duathlons/triathlons. I completed a few 5k’s
, 10k’s, a 15K, and just I completed a ½ marathon. I’m contemplating a
full marathon in mid February. I enjoy my long training runs. I plan to
compete in triathlons with runs legs between 5K -10K next season so
marathon mileage is an early season base builder/over distance+.

My question- Would it be helpful to train for a marathon by running 1.5
-2.5 hrs coupled w/ a 1-2 hr bike ride, at my race pace heart rate? The
combined run/ride would equal my planned race duration.

You don't want to train at race intensity for that long a time. Generally
you should do the long run slow and save the faster pacing for shorter runs.
As for combining cycling with running instead of a single long run, I would
argue against it. If you're cross-training, the specificity of the long run
piece of your training will be critical.

Quoted message said:

My longest run is 15 miles. My ½ marathon time was 1:48. My 1st half
splits averaged 8:20ish my second ½ splits averaged 8:09ish. I think I
can shoot for a sub 4 hr marathon. I plan to continue increasing the
distance of my long runs but thought supplementing my one long run per
week with a second long run/bike would help and be less stressful on the
legs. This would be in addition to a few 4-8 mile tempo workouts each
week. I am also trying not to give up too much of my cycling fitness so
I squeeze in a few tempo rides each week. Any ideas, comments, or
suggestions for a 1st time marathoner (wannabe) are appreciated. Rick

You might want to consider doing your long runs every 2 weeks or even every
3 weeks, with medium-long runs in intervening weeks. If you're shooting for
4 hours, I would work my long run up to 3.5 hours, and medium-long runs up
to a little over 2 hours over the next couple of months. Make your last
long run at least 2 weeks before your marathon, and perhaps even 3 if you
find your perceived recovery taking more than a few days.

Also, don't do more than one tempo run per week, and at most one tempo bike
ride - and keep that short. keep most of your cycling easy, and make
especially the long rides very easy. The long runs will take more out of you
than you think, even taking them at an easy pace. Good luck.

-Tony

Rick Anderson said:

I’m a long time cyclist (20+ years) contemplating running a marathon. I
have run for cross training and have competed in a few
biathlons/duathlons in recent years. I began running more seriously this
summer while training for duathlons/triathlons. I completed a few 5k’s
, 10k’s, a 15K, and just I completed a ½ marathon. I’m contemplating a
full marathon in mid February. I enjoy my long training runs. I plan to
compete in triathlons with runs legs between 5K -10K next season so
marathon mileage is an early season base builder/over distance+.

My question- Would it be helpful to train for a marathon by running 1.5
-2.5 hrs coupled w/ a 1-2 hr bike ride, at my race pace heart rate? The
combined run/ride would equal my planned race duration.

My longest run is 15 miles. My ½ marathon time was 1:48. My 1st half
splits averaged 8:20ish my second ½ splits averaged 8:09ish. I think I
can shoot for a sub 4 hr marathon. I plan to continue increasing the
distance of my long runs but thought supplementing my one long run per
week with a second long run/bike would help and be less stressful on the
legs. This would be in addition to a few 4-8 mile tempo workouts each
week. I am also trying not to give up too much of my cycling fitness so
I squeeze in a few tempo rides each week. Any ideas, comments, or
suggestions for a 1st time marathoner (wannabe) are appreciated. Rick

It's been a while since I raced bikes, and I've only run 2 marathons (last
was a BQ). Think about the last time you went hard for 4 hours on a bike
with no breaks. Probably hasn't happened much. Think about riding 4
consecutive 25-mile time trials.

With 1/2 times like that you'll do a sub-4:00 easily. I did my BQ in 3:54 at
age 59 and it wasn't too hard with good training. Do a few 20-milers - it's
quite a bit different than 13-15.

--
Wake

Rick Anderson <[email hidden]> wrote in message

Quoted message said:

I?m a long time cyclist (20+ years) contemplating running a marathon. I
have run for cross training and have competed in a few
biathlons/duathlons in recent years.

It sounds like you are ready for a marathon.
Its mainly a matter of tuning your training to optimize the experience.
I'd suggest getting the longer runs (2+ hours) done, 2 or 3 before
your Feb race.

As a long time cyclist you are probably experienced with "bonking"-
the annoying fatigue with running low on blood sugar. Marathoners
tend to reach this around the 3-hour or 20 mile range. Perhaps some
of you cycling experience can help you- whether it is
will power or nutrition tricks you've learned.

FabulustRunner wrote:
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why?

Rick Anderson said:

I’m a long time cyclist (20+ years) contemplating running a marathon. I
have run for cross training and have competed in a few
biathlons/duathlons in recent years. I began running more seriously this
summer while training for duathlons/triathlons. I completed a few 5k’s
, 10k’s, a 15K, and just I completed a ½ marathon. I’m contemplating a
full marathon in mid February. I enjoy my long training runs. I plan to
compete in triathlons with runs legs between 5K -10K next season so
marathon mileage is an early season base builder/over distance+.

My question- Would it be helpful to train for a marathon by running 1.5
-2.5 hrs coupled w/ a 1-2 hr bike ride, at my race pace heart rate? The
combined run/ride would equal my planned race duration.

My longest run is 15 miles. My ½ marathon time was 1:48. My 1st half
splits averaged 8:20ish my second ½ splits averaged 8:09ish. I think I
can shoot for a sub 4 hr marathon. I plan to continue increasing the
distance of my long runs but thought supplementing my one long run per
week with a second long run/bike would help and be less stressful on the
legs. This would be in addition to a few 4-8 mile tempo workouts each
week. I am also trying not to give up too much of my cycling fitness so
I squeeze in a few tempo rides each week. Any ideas, comments, or
suggestions for a 1st time marathoner (wannabe) are appreciated. Rick

My perspective as an 8 time Ironman finisher...

Since you're not switching over to "just" running, and you don't
indicate that the marathon is really a goal race, I don't see anything
wrong with your idea of a long bike ride after a long run. It may not
provide the specificity of training that only running would, but
you're not a pure runner.

In fact, you indicate it's actually part of your base building program
for your tri/du season, so it makes even more sense to me.

From a practical standpoint, it certainly is better than a traditional
triathlon training's bike/run "brick." It gives you more time at a
certain aerobic level than you could do just running.

BTW, with a 1:48 half, you should have no problem doing the full 'thon
in 4 hours. That's a modest goal, but probably appropriate if you're
using it as a base for this coming season's tri/du/bike racing.

Lots of triathletes do a marathon over the winter as a way of
maintaining base. Noting unusual about it at all.

Mike Tennent
"IronPenguin"

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why?

You'll have to include quotes if you expect anyone to know what you're talking
about.

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Sorry, but why?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I?m a long time cyclist (20+ years) contemplating running a marathon. I
have run for cross training and have competed in a few
biathlons/duathlons in recent years.

===
You have been getting good advice on this list. I would add that you need to be
very careful. One can be in very good cardio shape and still get into trouble.
The stresses of a marathon are unique and must be prepared for with practice at
running long distances.

Jack

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Sorry, but why?

Because if I've replied to several posts in the thread, I have no idea which
one you are talking about. Also, it's simply good netiquette.

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Sorry, but why?

Because if I've replied to several posts in the thread, I have no idea

which

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one you are talking about. Also, it's simply good netiquette.

No, Wobbot, if you moved out of AOL world and got yourself a decent
newsreader (come to think of it, you used Forte, why the change?) you
wouldn't have these problems. Stop whining.

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No, Wobbot, if you moved out of AOL world and got yourself a decent
newsreader

AOL rocks for newsreaders you dolt!

Quoted message said:

(come to think of it, you used Forte, why the change?)

I was born a woman, and until now I was... Oh you mean the change in
newsreaders? The free 30 day trial expired. Besides, I only used it to spoof a
few adreses and get comcast dumped.

Quoted message said:

Stop whining.

In 4 days my period is over, I'll stop then.

Tony, Thanks for the great advice. I tend to agree with your recommendation of
only doing one long run every other week. I have been running “long” twice a
week. It was Ok when my longest run was 10 miles , my second “long” run would
be 7-8 miles. As my longest run gets longer it's pushing my ability to recover.
Hence the consideration of run/ride combo.

Over the weekend I skimmed P. Pfitzingers’s , Road Racing for Serious Runners
It has some good plans. I believe my nomenclature might be misleading/causing
some of the conflicting answers. I typically do one long run, currently about 15
miles. My second "medium long" run is about 2/3rds of my longest – now about
8-10+ miles. My other runs tend to be easier than “tempo” run is defined . I
include a little time (45 min - 1 hr per week) at a faster than race pace. It
could be fartlek, push on the hills, surges, but fairly short and broken up. I
really base it on what feels ok. I build the long run in three week cycles. An
example is; week 1 -12 mile, week 2- 14 mile, week 3- 10 mile. Then week 4- 14
mile, week 5- 16, and week 6- mile 12, ect. I did drop my longest run of the
week to 8 miles the week after my ½ marathon to allow for a good recovery. As
I build mileage my second or "medium long" run is getting too long for me so I
think your suggestion of one “long” run every other week, with "medium long"
runs in intervening weeks is a good idea. My cycling idea was to allow me to
improve my energy delivery systems and endurance while sparing the legs the
pounding. Based on my limited knowledge of marathoning, it appears that
efficient use of energy/glycogen is the main limiter. Thanks again for the
good advice I’m adjusting my workouts to find what works best. rick

Tony said:

Hi Rick, as someone who has cycled and also run, I'll take a stab at your
question.

Rick Anderson wrote in message <[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

I’m a long time cyclist (20+ years) contemplating running a marathon. I
have run for cross training and have competed in a few
biathlons/duathlons in recent years. I began running more seriously this
summer while training for duathlons/triathlons. I completed a few 5k’s
, 10k’s, a 15K, and just I completed a ½ marathon. I’m contemplating a
full marathon in mid February. I enjoy my long training runs. I plan to
compete in triathlons with runs legs between 5K -10K next season so
marathon mileage is an early season base builder/over distance+.

My question- Would it be helpful to train for a marathon by running 1.5
-2.5 hrs coupled w/ a 1-2 hr bike ride, at my race pace heart rate? The
combined run/ride would equal my planned race duration.

You don't want to train at race intensity for that long a time. Generally
you should do the long run slow and save the faster pacing for shorter runs.
As for combining cycling with running instead of a single long run, I would
argue against it. If you're cross-training, the specificity of the long run
piece of your training will be critical.

Quoted message said:

My longest run is 15 miles. My ½ marathon time was 1:48. My 1st half
splits averaged 8:20ish my second ½ splits averaged 8:09ish. I think I
can shoot for a sub 4 hr marathon. I plan to continue increasing the
distance of my long runs but thought supplementing my one long run per
week with a second long run/bike would help and be less stressful on the
legs. This would be in addition to a few 4-8 mile tempo workouts each
week. I am also trying not to give up too much of my cycling fitness so
I squeeze in a few tempo rides each week. Any ideas, comments, or
suggestions for a 1st time marathoner (wannabe) are appreciated. Rick

You might want to consider doing your long runs every 2 weeks or even every
3 weeks, with medium-long runs in intervening weeks. If you're shooting for
4 hours, I would work my long run up to 3.5 hours, and medium-long runs up
to a little over 2 hours over the next couple of months. Make your last
long run at least 2 weeks before your marathon, and perhaps even 3 if you
find your perceived recovery taking more than a few days.

Also, don't do more than one tempo run per week, and at most one tempo bike
ride - and keep that short. keep most of your cycling easy, and make
especially the long rides very easy. The long runs will take more out of you
than you think, even taking them at an easy pace. Good luck.

-Tony

Wake, Ouch! I never thought of running a marathon like four back to back 25 mile
time trials. I was thinking of a marathon more like a fast century. Thanks for
the encouragement. I'm working up to 20+ mile run's and should be on track for a
mid February marathon (very flat course). Rick

Wake said:

Rick Anderson said:

I’m a long time cyclist (20+ years) contemplating running a marathon. I
have run for cross training and have competed in a few
biathlons/duathlons in recent years. I began running more seriously this
summer while training for duathlons/triathlons. I completed a few 5k’s
, 10k’s, a 15K, and just I completed a ½ marathon. I’m contemplating a
full marathon in mid February. I enjoy my long training runs. I plan to
compete in triathlons with runs legs between 5K -10K next season so
marathon mileage is an early season base builder/over distance+.

My question- Would it be helpful to train for a marathon by running 1.5
-2.5 hrs coupled w/ a 1-2 hr bike ride, at my race pace heart rate? The
combined run/ride would equal my planned race duration.

My longest run is 15 miles. My ½ marathon time was 1:48. My 1st half
splits averaged 8:20ish my second ½ splits averaged 8:09ish. I think I
can shoot for a sub 4 hr marathon. I plan to continue increasing the
distance of my long runs but thought supplementing my one long run per
week with a second long run/bike would help and be less stressful on the
legs. This would be in addition to a few 4-8 mile tempo workouts each
week. I am also trying not to give up too much of my cycling fitness so
I squeeze in a few tempo rides each week. Any ideas, comments, or
suggestions for a 1st time marathoner (wannabe) are appreciated. Rick

It's been a while since I raced bikes, and I've only run 2 marathons (last
was a BQ). Think about the last time you went hard for 4 hours on a bike
with no breaks. Probably hasn't happened much. Think about riding 4
consecutive 25-mile time trials.

With 1/2 times like that you'll do a sub-4:00 easily. I did my BQ in 3:54 at
age 59 and it wasn't too hard with good training. Do a few 20-milers - it's
quite a bit different than 13-15.

--
Wake

rick++, Thanks for the encouragement. I'm working at increasing my time spent
at marathon pace. Based on my limited knowledge of marathoning, it appears
that efficient use of energy/glycogen is very important. I have experimented
with energy replacement gels, ect while completing my long runs. It's not
quite as easy to refuel while running as it is while cycling. I'm ontrack to
get in a few 20 mile runs before my marathon so hopefully i'll figure out how
get thru the "bonk" before the marathon. Rick

rick++ said:

Rick Anderson <[email hidden]> wrote in message

Quoted message said:

I?m a long time cyclist (20+ years) contemplating running a marathon. I
have run for cross training and have competed in a few
biathlons/duathlons in recent years.

It sounds like you are ready for a marathon.
Its mainly a matter of tuning your training to optimize the experience.
I'd suggest getting the longer runs (2+ hours) done, 2 or 3 before
your Feb race.

As a long time cyclist you are probably experienced with "bonking"-
the annoying fatigue with running low on blood sugar. Marathoners
tend to reach this around the 3-hour or 20 mile range. Perhaps some
of you cycling experience can help you- whether it is
will power or nutrition tricks you've learned.

Thanks for the reply and the words of encouragement. I want to complete a
marathon in part because never did one when I started running in my late
teens (thanks Jim Fixx). I started cycling and never put in the off season
running miles to consider a marathon . As a “pure cyclist” I wasn’t sure all
the running was good for my legs ( roadie mantra - spin, suppleness, leg
speed). I was encouraged to complete the longer runs by an area running
store that has a distance challenge . By completing the 1st four events
5k-10k-15k, ½ marathon you get a “technical race shirt”. Finish the marathon
and you get a jacket as well. I started running 5ks and 10ks to get the
training and experience for tri/duals. The 15K was an easy over distance
goal. Then the ½ marathon look “doable”. Which brings me to the marathon.
Along the way I have found that I enjoy the long runs. The stores rewards
were a great little motivator to get the running on track. Less than one
month from the marathon is my first sprint tri (5k run) so my training isn’t
exclusive to the marathon. My season is much more focused on tris/duals so
your assessment of my training goals is right on. Thanks, Rick

Mike Tennent said:

Rick Anderson said:

I’m a long time cyclist (20+ years) contemplating running a marathon. I
have run for cross training and have competed in a few
biathlons/duathlons in recent years. I began running more seriously this
summer while training for duathlons/triathlons. I completed a few 5k’s
, 10k’s, a 15K, and just I completed a ½ marathon. I’m contemplating a
full marathon in mid February. I enjoy my long training runs. I plan to
compete in triathlons with runs legs between 5K -10K next season so
marathon mileage is an early season base builder/over distance+.

My question- Would it be helpful to train for a marathon by running 1.5
-2.5 hrs coupled w/ a 1-2 hr bike ride, at my race pace heart rate? The
combined run/ride would equal my planned race duration.

My longest run is 15 miles. My ½ marathon time was 1:48. My 1st half
splits averaged 8:20ish my second ½ splits averaged 8:09ish. I think I
can shoot for a sub 4 hr marathon. I plan to continue increasing the
distance of my long runs but thought supplementing my one long run per
week with a second long run/bike would help and be less stressful on the
legs. This would be in addition to a few 4-8 mile tempo workouts each
week. I am also trying not to give up too much of my cycling fitness so
I squeeze in a few tempo rides each week. Any ideas, comments, or
suggestions for a 1st time marathoner (wannabe) are appreciated. Rick

My perspective as an 8 time Ironman finisher...

Since you're not switching over to "just" running, and you don't
indicate that the marathon is really a goal race, I don't see anything
wrong with your idea of a long bike ride after a long run. It may not
provide the specificity of training that only running would, but
you're not a pure runner.

In fact, you indicate it's actually part of your base building program
for your tri/du season, so it makes even more sense to me.

From a practical standpoint, it certainly is better than a traditional
triathlon training's bike/run "brick." It gives you more time at a
certain aerobic level than you could do just running.

BTW, with a 1:48 half, you should have no problem doing the full 'thon
in 4 hours. That's a modest goal, but probably appropriate if you're
using it as a base for this coming season's tri/du/bike racing.

Lots of triathletes do a marathon over the winter as a way of
maintaining base. Noting unusual about it at all.

Mike Tennent
"IronPenguin"

[rick]
< I started cycling and never put in the off season
running miles to consider a marathon . As a “pure cyclist” I wasn’t sure
all
the running was good for my legs ( roadie mantra - spin, suppleness, leg
speed). >>

As for led speek and suppleness,
Which cycling promotes,
how has running impacted this factor?
This is one reason I keep my running fairly limited,
balanced by spinning, as I remain more flexible
from cycling, and running, while good for many
things, tends to make my legs less flexible,
stiffer, which I have to work to limber back up again
after running?

How has running, added to a serious cycling program
improved your life?
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Rick Anderson said:

Wake, Ouch! I never thought of running a marathon like four back to back 25 mile
time trials. I was thinking of a marathon more like a fast century.

I tend to agree with your assessment. For a 4 hour marathon, you
aren't going to be going all out. Not even close.

If you were faced with doing four back-to-back, 25 mile time trials,
would you treat each one separately, ignoring the fact you had the
rest to do?

Or would you pace yourself through each one, spreading the effort so
you'd complete each one optimally?

Mike Tennent
"IronPenguin"