Cyclist assaulted in Sheffield

Simon Geller said:

The case has now come to court and was reported in the Sheffield Star
on April 27th. A scan is available at
http://www.pedalpushers.org.uk/resources/star.gif

I'm a little shocked that such a deliberate assult didn't get
a custodial scentence.

Arthur

--
Arthur Clune

I don't understand why the sentence was so lenient. The guy is clearly a nutjob
and should've been locked up either in prison for 6 months-1 year or put in a
mental institution

Quoted message said:

I don't understand why the sentence was so lenient. The guy is clearly
a nutjob and should've been locked up either in prison for 6 months-1
year or put in a mental institution

As for keeping his driving licence - if he'd have threatened someone with a
gun he wouldn't be keeping his firearms licence.

All I can think of is that he made it clear he was terribly middle class
and wouldn't do it again.

"Simon Geller" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Long-term subscribers to this list may recall the case in December 2005
where a cyclist was assaulted in Sheffield. The victim reported the case
via the CTC forum when looking for advice as to how to proceed, and it got
forwarded amongst the various cycling fora. A number of posters on this
list suggested that this incident did not ring true and must have been
made up.

The case has now come to court and was reported in the Sheffield Star
on April 27th. A scan is available at
http://www.pedalpushers.org.uk/resources/star.gif
and back issues are available from the Star offices at
York Street, Sheffield, S1 1PU, 0114 276 7676

I trust therefore that the posters who alleged that this story had been
fabricated will now recognise that they were wrong and apologise for the
distress they have caused to the victim, his family and friends.

Simon Geller
Pedal Pushers Sheffield Cycle Campaign.

I remember it being brought up, I remember thinking that it sounded
incredible. I've just had a quick re-read of the original thread, and yes
there were one or two who voiced an opinion of whether this was fact or
fiction. Then someone posted that he knew the bloke and correlated the
story.

The whole point was this story did sound *incredible*. (Definition: So
implausible as to elicit disbelief).

http://www.sheffieldtoday.net/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=58&ArticleID=1476452

It was a terrible incident, and my best wishes to Andrew. The courts
decision was insulting based on the crime. I'm not really sure how these
weekly payments are to be made, but the victim will now have to have some
sort of contact with the *criminal* for the next five years. Disgraceful.

Quoted message said:

Besides, the respect for land and property goes hand in hand with
respect to other people.

Enclosure.

"Mark Thompson"
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Besides, the respect for land and property goes hand in hand with
respect to other people.

Enclosure.

Eh?

in message <[email hidden]>, Simon Geller

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Long-term subscribers to this list may recall the case in December 2005
where a cyclist was assaulted in Sheffield. The victim reported the
case
via the CTC forum when looking for advice as to how to proceed, and
it
got forwarded amongst the various cycling fora. A number of posters on
this list suggested that this incident did not ring true and must have
been made up.

The case has now come to court and was reported in the Sheffield Star
on April 27th. A scan is available at
http://www.pedalpushers.org.uk/resources/star.gif

So, having deliberately used first a motor vehicle and then a wheelbrace
as weapons, the assailant walked free? What do you have to do to get
jailed in this country these days?

--
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;; Except by Middle Aged Computer Scientists

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Quoted message said:

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Besides, the respect for land and property goes hand in hand with
respect to other people.

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Enclosure.

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Eh?

Respect for land and property is independent of respect for other people.

See enclosure (or the Highland clearances) for examples of plenty of
respect for property and (all too often) little respect for people.

Hi,

This is a shocking case and it appears to me that
the sentence (and in fact the charges brought) are
out of line with the goal of the perpretator.

I was recently deliberately (it would appear)
struck by a car while crossing the road through
a previously stationary traffic queue that moved off.

The long and short of it is that I have been charged
with Criminal Damage since the car was damaged
as I escaped from underneath it. It does not appear
as if any consideration was given to charging
the driver.

That a deliberate attack with a motor vehicle is
not regarded as attempted murder is quite
beyond my understanding. It is not as if there is
not enough evidence that people struck by cars
are likely to die.

In the case in Sheffield the attack was begun
with the car and was then continued with other weapons.
How can there be any doubt that the intent was to
cause harm and that the harm likely to be caused
was death.

I understand that an attack with a gun is inevitably
attempted murder. That an attack with a car is
regarded not as an assault but as a driving fault
is beyond my understanding.

Independently of my recent difficulty I had alerady stopped
cycling on the road and stopped motor-scootering too
due to the level of harrassment meeted out by
the drivers of larger vehicles. In Central London
it amounts to pretty much never feeling safe.

Simon Brooke said:

in message <[email hidden]>, Simon Geller

(') said:

Long-term subscribers to this list may recall the case in December 2005
where a cyclist was assaulted in Sheffield. The victim reported the
case
via the CTC forum when looking for advice as to how to proceed, and
it
got forwarded amongst the various cycling fora. A number of posters on
this list suggested that this incident did not ring true and must have
been made up.

The case has now come to court and was reported in the Sheffield Star
on April 27th. A scan is available at
http://www.pedalpushers.org.uk/resources/star.gif

So, having deliberately used first a motor vehicle and then a wheelbrace
as weapons, the assailant walked free? What do you have to do to get
jailed in this country these days?

Protect your own property and upset some cretin in a baseball cap.

Prison is assured.

Sam Salt

"Mark Thompson"
<pleasegivegenerously@warmmail*_turn_up_the_heat_to_reply*.com> wrote in
message news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

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Quoted message said:

> Besides, the respect for land and property goes hand in hand with
> respect to other people.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Enclosure.

Quoted message said:

Eh?

Respect for land and property is independent of respect for other people.

See enclosure (or the Highland clearances) for examples of plenty of
respect for property and (all too often) little respect for people.

Thought that'd be what you're on about. Still, got naff all to do with the
validity of private property owned by 95% of the population IMO.

Quoted message said:

Protect your own property and upset some cretin in a baseball cap.

Prison is assured.

Almost four years in prison for shooting to death a 16 year old with an
illegally held pump action shotgun when they were already running away from
you ain't bad going thobut. Tip: tell 'em you didn't mean to shoot them.

Mark Thompson said:

All I can think of is that he made it clear he was terribly middle class
and wouldn't do it again.

And the other youths who joined in weren't known to him.

In other news, Heathrow have asked a local pig farmer to keep his flocks
out of the approach path.

R.

Quoted message said:

Thought that'd be what you're on about. Still, got naff all to do with
the validity of private property owned by 95% of the population IMO.

Tacking 'IMO' on the end doesn't make your opinions any less incorrect ;-)

in message <[email hidden]>, Mark
Thompson

('pleasegivegenerously@warmmail*_turn_up_the_heat_to_reply*.com') said:

Quoted message said:

Besides, the respect for land and property goes hand in hand with
respect to other people.

Enclosure.

Abso-flipping-lutely. Whether done with a figleaf of legitimacy as in
England, or without as here, to them that hath shall it be given, sayeth
the Lord. So that's all right then. All tug your forelocks and respect
PROPERTY.

--
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"Mark Thompson"
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>> Besides, the respect for land and property goes hand in hand with
>> respect to other people.

Quoted message said:

> Enclosure.

Quoted message said:

Eh?

Respect for land and property is independent of respect for other
people.

See enclosure (or the Highland clearances) for examples of plenty of
respect for property and (all too often) little respect for people.

Thought that'd be what you're on about. Still, got naff all to do with
the validity of private property owned by 95% of the population IMO.

300 years ago, 90+% of all the land in Britain was common. Now, probably
less than 5% is. 85% of the common land has been more or less stolen; in
some places absolutely stolen, in others stolen with the aid of acts of
a parliament in which the common people were wholly unrepresented. And
the successors of the thieves now not only still have the land, not only
pay no taxes on the land, they are paid socking big subsidies out of
your taxes and mine to sit on their fat fannies and buy a new Mercedes
every year.

The French would have a a revolution about this; we just grumble.

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In article <[email hidden]>, Mark
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Protect your own property and upset some cretin in a baseball cap.

Prison is assured.

Almost four years in prison for shooting to death a 16 year old with an
illegally held pump action shotgun when they were already running away from
you ain't bad going thobut. Tip: tell 'em you didn't mean to shoot them.

If he'd waited until the minipikey was outside and run him down with a
Lard-Rover, he'd have got off with a community service order, tea and
sympathy...

--
Dave Larrington - <http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/>
Kinder surprise! What's the surprise? Your children are now dead.

On Tue, 02 May 2006 11:56:47 GMT someone who may be Mark Thompson
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wrote this:-

Quoted message said:

Almost four years in prison for shooting to death a 16 year old with an
illegally held pump action shotgun when they were already running away from
you

It was worse than that. My recollection is that Mr Martin did not
shoot the thief dead. Rather he wounded the thief, who later bled to
death near the house. It is possible that had Mr Martin contacted
the police immediately the thief could have been taken to hospital
and survived. Instead Mr Martin went off to dispose of his illegal
and illegally held gun.

Some might argue that thieves deserve everything they get, but
allowing people to wound those they think are thieves and leave them
to bleed to death is hardly the mark of a rounded society.

--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

On 2 May 2006 09:27:46 GMT someone who may be [email hidden]
(Arthur Clune) wrote this:-

Quoted message said:

I'm a little shocked that such a deliberate assult didn't get
a custodial scentence.

A deliberate assault using not just one but two weapons and
threatening words. Attempted murder by the sound of it.

"Get the white [censored]" sounds like a racial aggravating factor as
well, which the courts are supposed to take into account when
sentencing. Perhaps the Hutton did take it into account and this is
a "more severe" than he would usually impose.

--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54