Cycling to school

"Colin Blackburn" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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staggering the start and finish times of schools in an area to reduce the school-run congestion

Portrayed in one paper as "WAR ON THE SCOOL RUN! MISERY FOR PARENTS!" - I'd quite like to see the
tabloids' idea of how to remove school run congestion without reducing the school run.

FWIW today is the first day back for local schools and the tailbacks and congestion which had
entirely vanished over the last couple of months are back with a vengeance.

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A single phrase comment at the end of the article suggested that he also wanted to make cycling to
school safer.

Congestion is your friend - a stationary death greenhouse is a safe death greenhouse :-)

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I have been unable to find anything more about this story due to my inability to connect to
various news sites and the government's inability to put this sort of stuff on their websites.
Anyone know anything more about specific cycling proposals?

A pound says there are none. The national cycling "strategy" is just a wish-list and contains
nothing of substance, so that would be ocnsistent.

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"Colin Blackburn" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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staggering the start and finish times of schools in an area to reduce the school-run congestion

Portrayed in one paper as "WAR ON THE SCOOL RUN! MISERY FOR PARENTS!" - I'd quite like to see the
tabloids' idea of how to remove school run congestion without reducing the school run.

There's that word 'misery' again. I think the words 'inconvenience' and 'misery' are synonymous in
the tabloids.

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I have been unable to find anything more about this story due to my inability to connect to
various news sites and the government's inability to put this sort of stuff on their websites.
Anyone know anything more about specific cycling proposals?

A pound says there are none.

I won't be taking your bet.

I did read, however, that the new £150,000 amphibious car could solve London's commuter headache---I
think the Indy might taking the Thames water there though.

Colin

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I read in the Metro this morning that Charles Clarke (Education Secretary) has suggested a series
of measures to reduce congestion around schools. The main point, as far as the Metro is concerned,
was the idea of staggering the start and finish times of schools in an area to reduce the
school-run congestion---ie not to actually take cars off the road but to just spread them about a
bit more thinly.

They haven't thought of how parents' behaviour would be should they have more than one child at
school with differing start/finish times in one area. They will drive in, dump/deliver first child
and then loiter in the area for 2nd child. Congestion in region will *not* therefore be reduced.

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On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 11:41:40 +0100 someone who may be "Just zis Guy, you know?"
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Portrayed in one paper as "WAR ON THE SCOOL RUN! MISERY FOR PARENTS!" - I'd quite like to see the
tabloids' idea of how to remove school run congestion without reducing the school run.

Easy. Build wider roads. Straighten the others out. Get rid of dangerous cyclists and pedestrians
along with the dangerous trees, bus stops and lamp posts.

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staggering the start and finish times of schools in an area to reduce the school-run congestion

Portrayed in one paper as "WAR ON THE SCOOL RUN! MISERY FOR PARENTS!" -

I'd

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quite like to see the tabloids' idea of how to remove school run

congestion

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without reducing the school run.

Why not just close the schools and give GCSE's away with a Happy Meal? That would also solve the
teacher shortage and reduce the problems caused by student loans & top up fees.

: )

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They haven't thought of how parents' behaviour would be should they have more than one child at
school with differing start/finish times in one area. They will drive in, dump/deliver first child
and then loiter in the area for 2nd child. Congestion in region will *not* therefore be reduced.

But the government can combat this with a 'One Family, One Child' policy....worked in China (didn't
it.....?) :-P

Regards,

Pete.

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They haven't thought of how parents' behaviour would be should they have more than one child at
school with differing start/finish times in one area. They will drive in, dump/deliver first
child and then loiter in the area for 2nd child. Congestion in region will *not* therefore be
reduced.

But the government can combat this with a 'One Family, One Child' policy....worked in China
(didn't it.....?) :-P

Or insist that families have twins and triplets to keep the population up and the school runs down.

Colin

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Or insist that families have twins and triplets to keep the population up and the school
runs down.

Tandems. They're called tandems. We've got a triplet...

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I was surprosed to see the news story on the London Cycling Campaign that Ken is looking to do up
school cycle parks :

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On 19th June 2003, the Mayor launched a new partnership initiative to provide and install modern
cycle parking at schools and colleges throughout the Greater London area. This Programme is being
organised through Transport for London’s (TfL) Cycling Centre of Excellence (CCE). TfL will
fully fund and install appropriate cycle parking facilities at schools and colleges in
collaboration with the London Boroughs and other relevant education organisations. £300,000 has
been allocated for the last quarter of this financial year, and the programme will continue at
least throughout 2004/5. ........

endquote >>>>

Bids for the first round have to be in by Sept 30th (and to the borough coordinators a fortnight
before that !)

Regards, Tim

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staggering the start and finish times of schools in an area to reduce the school-run
congestion

Portrayed in one paper as "WAR ON THE SCOOL RUN! MISERY FOR PARENTS!" - I'd quite like to see
the tabloids' idea of how to remove school run congestion without reducing the school run.

There's that word 'misery' again. I think the words 'inconvenience' and 'misery' are synonymous in
the tabloids.

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I have been unable to find anything more about this story due to my inability to connect to
various news sites and the government's inability to put this sort of stuff on their websites.
Anyone know anything more about specific cycling proposals?

A pound says there are none.

I won't be taking your bet.

I did read, however, that the new £150,000 amphibious car could solve London's commuter
headache---I think the Indy might taking the Thames water there though.

This is what you need, then: <URL: shuttlebikeusa.comshuttlebikeusa.comOpen ↗ > - the ultimate commuter bike!

(Italian manufacturer's site at <URL: shuttlebike.comshuttlebike.comOpen ↗ > )

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"Colin Blackburn" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Or insist that families have twins and triplets to keep the population up and the school
runs down.

Tandems. They're called tandems.

Now, c'mon Guy, we all know that as cycling is dangerous then cycling a tandem *must* be twice as
dangerous, stands to reason, don't it.

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We've got a triplet...

Well, now you're just upping the numbers aren't you, three times as dangerous, hardly worth going
out the the front gate.

Colin

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They haven't thought of how parents' behaviour would be should they have more than one child
at school with differing start/finish times in one area. They will drive in, dump/deliver
first child and then loiter in the area for 2nd child. Congestion in region will *not*
therefore be reduced.

But the government can combat this with a 'One Family, One Child' policy....worked in China
(didn't it.....?) :-P

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Or insist that families have twins and triplets to keep the population up and the school
runs down.

IVF clinics are no longer allowed to place 3 fertilised eggs in the womb...

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On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 13:43:38 +0100 someone who may be "Tony W" <[email hidden]>
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Why not just close the schools and give GCSE's away with a Happy Meal? That would also solve the
teacher shortage and reduce the problems caused by student loans & top up fees.

Oh dear. I suspect that you have given them an idea:-)

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But the government can combat this with a 'One Family, One Child' policy....worked in China (didn't

it.....?) :-P

the asim of the 1 child policy was not to reduce congestion- it was to reduce the population which it did effectively (were the policy not introduced 1 in 3 of us on the planet would now be chinese!)

if anythiung the gov't needs to bring out a 2 child minimum policy coz the population is starting to decrease!

so despite what the BNP say we need the immigrants (legal with papers so they pay tax) otherwise this country is gonna be well and truly [censored]! - especially with all the people soon to retire after the baby boom of the sixties!

sorry this wasnt cycling related but heyt- check out my thread ive jus started on the spraying of spokes???

Tim Henderson said:

On 19th June 2003, the Mayor launched a new partnership initiative to provide and install modern
cycle parking at schools and colleges throughout the Greater London area. This Programme is being
organised through Transport for London’s (TfL) Cycling Centre of Excellence (CCE). TfL will
fully fund and install appropriate cycle parking facilities at schools and colleges in
collaboration with the London Boroughs and other relevant education organisations. £300,000 has
been allocated for the last quarter of this financial year, and the programme will continue at
least throughout 2004/5. ........ endquote >>>>

Bids for the first round have to be in by Sept 30th (and to the borough coordinators a fortnight
before that !)

Yurss... at the moment it's not proving a total doddle to get them to return the forms - not least
because they've had the whole summer holiday to lose them.

Colin McKenzie

Colin McKenzie said:

Tim Henderson said:

On 19th June 2003, the Mayor launched a new partnership initiative to provide and install modern
cycle parking at schools and colleges throughout the Greater London area. This Programme is being
organised through Transport for London’s (TfL) Cycling Centre of Excellence (CCE). TfL will
fully fund and install appropriate cycle parking facilities at schools and colleges in
collaboration with the London Boroughs and other relevant education organisations. £300,000 has
been allocated for the last quarter of this financial year, and the programme will continue at
least throughout 2004/5. ........ endquote >>>>

Bids for the first round have to be in by Sept 30th (and to the borough coordinators a fortnight
before that !)

Yurss... at the moment it's not proving a total doddle to get them to return the forms - not least
because they've had the whole summer holiday to lose them.

The bike sheds in the Inner London school where I teach have just been opened.

For the past three years I've tried to get children cycling in a more active way. Once a term I lead
a "Family Cycle Ride" around our area of London (Blackheath, Greenwich and Woolwich).
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On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 19:57:11 +0100 someone who may be Gonzalez <[email hidden]>
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The bike sheds in the Inner London school where I teach have just been opened.

I hope that, if it is for younger pupils, they have Edinburgh Racks fitted
spokes.org.ukindex.htmOpen ↗ - third photo near the bottom. The extra bar is important
to provide something to lock smaller bikes to.

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I hope that, if it is for younger pupils, they have Edinburgh Racks fitted
spokes.org.ukindex.htmOpen ↗ - third photo near the bottom. The extra bar is
important to provide something to lock smaller bikes to.

Care to expand on this? All bikes have a near vertical bit of frame between bottom bracket and
seatpost. This is the best part of a bike to lock, especially if the lock will go through the
rear wheel too. It must always be possible to lock this to the upright of a Sheffield stand.
Then you just have to make sure that the stand is short enough (end to end) to support the front
wheel as well.

Colin McKenzie

On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 22:37:14 +0100 someone who may be Colin McKenzie <[email hidden]>
wrote this:-

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I hope that, if it is for younger pupils, they have Edinburgh Racks fitted
spokes.org.ukindex.htmOpen ↗ - third photo near the bottom. The extra bar is
important to provide something to lock smaller bikes to.

All bikes have a near vertical bit of frame between bottom bracket and seatpost. This is the best
part of a bike to lock, especially if the lock will go through the rear wheel too.

Depends on the type of bike and lock. An Edinburgh Rack will allow both "adult" and "child" bikes to
be leant against it and secured well.

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