Cycling Perth and footpaths

On Feb 13, 8:09 am, MikeyOz <MikeyOz.2lx...@no-

mx.forums.cyclingforums.com said:

I am over in Perth at the moment and seen as the bike stays back in
Melbourne now I have started the running again, but I cannot believe
the amount of people over here that ride their goddam bikes on the
footpaths!?

Is it illegal or legal over here ?? This morning after finishing my
run, I was walking up Barrack St, when I suddenly hear "ding ding ding
ding ding ding ding" you know a "Out of the way coming through bell
ringing", all because they are too lazy to ride the down 1 extra block
and follow the correct road up to Adelaide Terrace.

Going to get a serve from me next time and as well was that I'm sure he
was texting on a mobile and riding with no hands (see other thread)

the first part was true, anyway.

--
MikeyOz

So you're the [censored] that wouldn't get out of my way!!!! You made me
drop my smokes. :-)

Depends on where you are running. There are alot of shared paths
around Perth, especially following the river. Legally, cyclists are
supposed to give way to pedestrians on shared paths. If there's no
risk (or low risk) of collision, I've noticed that most cyclists will
just pass by without signalling.

I'm pretty sure that the Barrack St footpath is not a shared path so
that cyclist shouldn't have been there. With all the rail works
underway around the Bell Tower, some of the streets that can get you
from the river to the city have been blocked. So in defence of the
cyclist, they probably shouldn't have been there but I can understand
why they were...

MikeyOz said:

I am over in Perth at the moment and seen as the bike stays back in Melbourne now I have started the running again, but I cannot believe the amount of people over here that ride their goddam bikes on the footpaths!?

Is it illegal or legal over here ?? This morning after finishing my run, I was walking up Barrack St, when I suddenly hear "ding ding ding ding ding ding ding" you know a "Out of the way coming through bell ringing", all because they are too lazy to ride the down 1 extra block and follow the correct road up to Adelaide Terrace.

Going to get a serve from me next time and as well was that I'm sure he was texting on a mobile and riding with no hands (see other thread)

the first part was true, anyway.

Welcome to the West.

Law here is that cyclists over 12yo cannot cycle on footpaths. Differs from some other parts of Australia where you can ride on the footpath if you are accompanying an under 12yo.

From my experience, the law isn't enforced much by the police.

We seem to have a high level of incompetence among pedestrians, cyclists and drivers here. On roads, footpaths and cycle paths.

I like to educate people who are doing the wrong thing by firmly pointing out the error of their ways. On behalf of all reasonable people in WA, I extend an invitation to you to do the same.😄 😄 😄

(I don't ride on footpaths or anywhere near where your incident occurred. When commuting into Perth, I ride from South Perth to East Perth around the river.))

SteveA

Bugbear said:

So you're the [censored] that wouldn't get out of my way!!!! You made me
drop my smokes. :-)

yeah I could hear you puffing up behind me... as well

yup definately not a shared path and next time I will earnstly make a point to said rider of the rules and where he can shove his bell 🙂 Just like the Bus driver last night, who had to lean out of his window to inform the car parked in front of him, "ITS A CLEARWAY UNTIL 6 PM", after the 3rd time the car drove off, driver his fist.

I know cyclists do it all over Australia, but it just seems the amount of people that take to the footpaths over here, is Crazzzzzzzy, daylight savings over here is great though, stuff all cyclists out now when I loop the river in the mornings.

On Feb 13, 11:08 am, MikeyOz <MikeyOz.2lx...@no-

mx.forums.cyclingforums.com said:

Bugbear said:

So you're the [censored] that wouldn't get out of my way!!!! You made me
drop my smokes. :-)

yeah I could hear you puffing up behind me... as well

yup definately not a shared path and next time I will earnstly make a
point to said rider of the rules and where he can shove his bell 🙂
Just like the Bus driver last night, who had to lean out of his window
to inform the car parked in front of him, "ITS A CLEARWAY UNTIL 6 PM",
after the 3rd time the car drove off, driver his fist.

I know cyclists do it all over Australia, but it just seems the amount
of people that take to the footpaths over here, is Crazzzzzzzy,
daylight savings over here is great though, stuff all cyclists out now
when I loop the river in the mornings.

--
MikeyOz

Riding on the footpath might be crazy..
But the police have told me on a few occasions that I should be riding
on the footpath.

oh and the police don't ticket you for not wearing a helmet if you are
on the footpath.
Number of times I've been told off for not having a helmet: heaps.
Number of times I've been told off for riding on the footpath or the
police have checked my brakes, bell or anything else: Never!

Wally said:

Riding on the footpath might be crazy..
But the police have told me on a few occasions that I should be riding
on the footpath.

Ive been told to ride on the bikepath a couple of times, but never to ride on the footpath, thats freakin bizarre!

Maybe they were hoping you were going to do it and then fine you for riding on the footpath 🙂

MikeyOz said:

I am over in Perth at the moment and seen as the bike stays back in
Melbourne now I have started the running again, but I cannot believe
the amount of people over here that ride their goddam bikes on the
footpaths!?

Is it illegal or legal over here ?? This morning after finishing my
run, I was walking up Barrack St, when I suddenly hear "ding ding ding
ding ding ding ding" you know a "Out of the way coming through bell
ringing", all because they are too lazy to ride the down 1 extra block
and follow the correct road up to Adelaide Terrace.

Going to get a serve from me next time and as well was that I'm sure he
was texting on a mobile and riding with no hands (see other thread)

the first part was true, anyway.

Well I work on Barrack St, need to get down to the river (Bell Tower) to
get on the path to go home.

Seeing as Barrack St is a one way past the Esplanade, and the other way
before the Esplanade, it is very difficult to not ride on the footpath
down Barrack St.

Diverting all the way down to Victoria Ave, or up St Georges Tce is not a
viable option, considering it is only a few hundred metres down to the
river.

M Bison said:

MikeyOz said:

I am over in Perth at the moment and seen as the bike stays back in
Melbourne now I have started the running again, but I cannot believe
the amount of people over here that ride their goddam bikes on the
footpaths!?

Quoted message said:

Is it illegal or legal over here ?? This morning after finishing my
run, I was walking up Barrack St, when I suddenly hear "ding ding ding
ding ding ding ding" you know a "Out of the way coming through bell
ringing", all because they are too lazy to ride the down 1 extra block
and follow the correct road up to Adelaide Terrace.

Quoted message said:

Going to get a serve from me next time and as well was that I'm sure he
was texting on a mobile and riding with no hands (see other thread)

Quoted message said:

the first part was true, anyway.

Well I work on Barrack St, need to get down to the river (Bell Tower) to
get on the path to go home.

Seeing as Barrack St is a one way past the Esplanade, and the other way
before the Esplanade, it is very difficult to not ride on the footpath
down Barrack St.

Diverting all the way down to Victoria Ave, or up St Georges Tce is not a
viable option, considering it is only a few hundred metres down to the
river.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I'm not saying it's feasable, or even that I would do this, but I bet
that the law would expect you to walk your bike however many hundred
metres on the footpath until you reach a shared path...

MikeyOz said:

Wally Wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Riding on the footpath might be crazy..
But the police have told me on a few occasions that I should be
riding on the footpath.

Quoted message said:

Ive been told to ride on the bikepath a couple of times, but never to
ride on the footpath, thats freakin bizarre!

Maybe they were hoping you were going to do it and then fine you for
riding on the footpath 🙂

You think they took him for a Wally? :-)

Theo

Bugbear said:

M Bison said:

MikeyOz said:

I am over in Perth at the moment and seen as the bike stays back in
Melbourne now I have started the running again, but I cannot believe
the amount of people over here that ride their goddam bikes on the
footpaths!?
Is it illegal or legal over here ?? This morning after finishing my
run, I was walking up Barrack St, when I suddenly hear "ding ding ding
ding ding ding ding" you know a "Out of the way coming through bell
ringing", all because they are too lazy to ride the down 1 extra block
and follow the correct road up to Adelaide Terrace.
Going to get a serve from me next time and as well was that I'm sure he
was texting on a mobile and riding with no hands (see other thread)
the first part was true, anyway.

Well I work on Barrack St, need to get down to the river (Bell Tower) to
get on the path to go home.

Seeing as Barrack St is a one way past the Esplanade, and the other way
before the Esplanade, it is very difficult to not ride on the footpath
down Barrack St.

Diverting all the way down to Victoria Ave, or up St Georges Tce is not a
viable option, considering it is only a few hundred metres down to the
river.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I'm not saying it's feasable, or even that I would do this, but I bet
that the law would expect you to walk your bike however many hundred
metres on the footpath until you reach a shared path...

"Is it illegal or legal over here ??"
Probably easiest to check WA road rules and local government regulations
for yourself.

Road rules are supposed to be "substantially uniform" throughout Australia.

According to the Queensland Road Rules (2004 copy) it is legal in
Queensland subject to local laws. There does not appear to be any
contravening local laws
(http://www.ourbrisbane.com/transport/bicycles/commuting.htm - "Cycling
on footpaths is permitted in Queensland ..."😉

250 Riding on a footpath or shared path
(1) Subject to subsection (1A), the rider of a bicycle riding on a footpath
or shared path must—
(a) keep to the left of the footpath or shared path unless it is
impracticable to do so; and
(b) give way to any pedestrian on the footpath or shared path.
Maximum penalty—20 penalty units.
(1A) Subsection (1) does not apply to a person riding a bicycle on a
footpath if a local law otherwise provides.
(2) In this section—
“footpath” does not include a separated footpath.

M Bison said:

Well I work on Barrack St, need to get down to the river (Bell Tower)
to get on the path to go home.

Seeing as Barrack St is a one way past the Esplanade, and the other
way before the Esplanade, it is very difficult to not ride on the
footpath down Barrack St.

Diverting all the way down to Victoria Ave, or up St Georges Tce is
not a viable option, considering it is only a few hundred metres down
to the river.

Pretty much the same story in King St Sydney, going west down to the
shared path to the Pyrmont bridge. One way street, and depending where
you start from, there are not many good alternatives to riding the
footpath. But as a cyclist on the footpath, you have *no* rights, and
ought to be prepared to ride at walking speed behind any pedestrian. The
guy behind MikeyOz was wrong to ring his bell. Of course, sometimes it's
quite good riding slowly behind a pedestrian ......

Sometimes riding on a shared path I wish I had a two-tone bell, and
there was some accepted convention for the degree of assertiveness
required. For example: "tinkle tinkle" = "passing you, just stay left &
I'll avoid you easily"; "ding ding ding" = "this is a shared path, move
to the left and let me pass, please".

And just sometimes, "BLAAAARGH" = "MORON! Move over, I've been ringing
this bell for the last minute".

--
beerwolf
(To reply by email, remove numbers from my address)

Bradley said:

Road rules are supposed to be "substantially uniform" throughout Australia.

According to the Queensland Road Rules (2004 copy) it is legal in

except they're not for bicycles, especially about footpaths;
so its pointless to quote QLD law for a WA thread.
Has WA even gone to the NRRs yet?

Andre

Bradley said:

"Is it illegal or legal over here ??"
Probably easiest to check WA road rules and local government regulations
for yourself.

Road rules are supposed to be "substantially uniform" throughout Australia.

According to the Queensland Road Rules (2004 copy) it is legal in
Queensland subject to local laws.

Not the case in Victoria. Riders 12 yr old or older must not ride on footpaths, unless accompanying an under 12 cyclist. And local councils can decree certain areas (eg. shopping strips) to be no cycling zones.

The road rules have gone national. Queensland appears to be the odd state out in this regard however.

http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/NR/rdonlyres/8A00D79B-03C5-4084-B5C2-7BE6A60406D3/0/part_15.pdf

249. Riding on a separated footpath

The rider of a bicycle must not ride on a part of a separated footpath

designated for the use of pedestrians.

Penalty: 1 penalty unit.

Note 1 Separated footpath is defined in rule 239, and pedestrian is defined in rule 18.

Note 2 Rule 336 deals with how parts of a separated footpath are designated for bicycle

riders and pedestrians.

250. Riding on a footpath or shared path

(1) The rider of a bicycle who is 12 years old or older must not ride on a footpath.

Penalty: 1 penalty unit.

(2) Subrule (1) does not apply to a rider in the circumstances specified by the

Corporation by notice published in the Government Gazette.

Note Footpath is defined in the dictionary.

Victoria Government Gazette P 2 28 October 1999 193

(3) The rider of a bicycle riding on a footpath or shared path must—

(a) keep to the left of the footpath or shared path unless it is impracticable

to do so; and

(b) give way to any pedestrian on the footpath or shared path.

Penalty: 1 penalty unit.

Note 1 Pedestrian is defined in rule 18, and shared path is defined in rule 242.

Note 2 For subrule (2), give way means the rider must slow down and, if necessary, stop to

avoid a collision—see the definition in the dictionary.

(4) In this rule—

footpath does not include a separated footpath.

Note Separated footpath is defined in rule 239.

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Quoted message said:

MikeyOz said:

I am over in Perth at the moment and seen as the bike stays back in
Melbourne now I have started the running again, but I cannot believe
the amount of people over here that ride their goddam bikes on the
footpaths!?

Is it illegal or legal over here ?? This morning after finishing my
run, I was walking up Barrack St, when I suddenly hear "ding ding ding
ding ding ding ding" you know a "Out of the way coming through bell
ringing", all because they are too lazy to ride the down 1 extra block
and follow the correct road up to Adelaide Terrace.

Going to get a serve from me next time and as well was that I'm sure he
was texting on a mobile and riding with no hands (see other thread)

the first part was true, anyway.

Well I work on Barrack St, need to get down to the river (Bell Tower) to
get on the path to go home.

Seeing as Barrack St is a one way past the Esplanade, and the other way
before the Esplanade, it is very difficult to not ride on the footpath
down Barrack St.

Diverting all the way down to Victoria Ave, or up St Georges Tce is not a
viable option, considering it is only a few hundred metres down to the
river.

Signage at the bottom of Barrack St says that the footpath is a temporary
shared path (supposedly while the construction's going on) so the guy on the
bike was within his rights...

Me

Aeek said:

Has WA even gone to the NRRs yet?

Years ago mate. We were even the first state to stop selling leaded fuel.

Theo

Plodder said:

Signage at the bottom of Barrack St says that the footpath is a temporary
shared path (supposedly while the construction's going on) so the guy on the
bike was within his rights...

Did not see a sign, running again tomorrow morning so will check for it, however, still doesn't mean he has the right to ring his freakin bell at me like I should not be on the footpath.

I can see the reason why in these situations sometimes people use the path for exactly the reason you stated above, but I still have the right to use it and not get a "ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding...." get off the path you goddam walker bell ringing.

as it was it was the hardest I have run for ages and I was trying not to collapse on said footpath at the time. So unless it was a "If you do collapse, which it looks like you are can you collapse to the grass" bell ringing.

quote='Aeek'On Wed said:

Road rules are supposed to be "substantially uniform" throughout Australia.

According to the Queensland Road Rules (2004 copy) it is legal in

except they're not for bicycles, especially about footpaths;
so its pointless to quote QLD law for a WA thread.
Has WA even gone to the NRRs yet?

Andre[/QUOTE]
From the Road Traffic Code 2000 (WA):

[font=Times New Roman][left]216. Shared paths and separated footpaths

[/font][font=Times New Roman](1) The rider of a bicycle who is 12 years of age or older shall not ride on a footpath, that is not a shared path or a separated footpath.
[/left]

[left]Modified penalty: 1 PU[/left]

[left]SteveA[/left]
[/font]

On Feb 15, 9:55 am, MikeyOz <MikeyOz.2m0...@no-

mx.forums.cyclingforums.com said:

Plodder said:

Signage at the bottom of Barrack St says that the footpath is a
temporary
shared path (supposedly while the construction's going on) so the guy
on the
bike was within his rights...

Did not see a sign, running again tomorrow morning so will check for
it, however, still doesn't mean he has the right to ring his freakin
bell at me like I should not be on the footpath.

I can see the reason why in these situations sometimes people use the
path for exactly the reason you stated above, but I still have the
right to use it and not get a "ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding...."
get off the path you goddam walker bell ringing.

I wasn't there, so this may not be relevant, but often here on shared
paths it's considered either compulsory, or good behaviour, to warn
pedestrians that one is overtaking - I've been cursed vigourously by
peds for passing them without ringing a bell to warn them of their
impending doom as I roll past at 20km/h with a meter's clearance.

So the 'ding ding ding' you're upset about *may* be a courtesy, not an
insult.

Having ridden past a number of r*nners who have spontaniously changed
direction and thus, been a very close call, I can fully understand why
a cyclist may wish to warn you that they're coming.

MikeyOz said:

Plodder said:

Signage at the bottom of Barrack St says that the footpath is a
temporary
shared path (supposedly while the construction's going on) so the guy
on the
bike was within his rights...

Did not see a sign, running again tomorrow morning so will check for
it, however, still doesn't mean he has the right to ring his freakin
bell at me like I should not be on the footpath.

I can see the reason why in these situations sometimes people use the
path for exactly the reason you stated above, but I still have the
right to use it and not get a "ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding...."
get off the path you goddam walker bell ringing.

It really depends whether or not it's an aggressive ding, dinging or a
friendly, ding, please be careful because I'm about to pass you ding,
ding.

I try to stay off bike paths because the only time I've ever had a
trip to hospital in the back of an ambulance was when I was attacked
by a bamboo clump that thought it was a Triffid. But sometimes it's
unavoidable. I've been abused for not dinging and abused for dinging.
Seems like whatever you do you are in the wrong. So I've stopped
dinging. My only audible warning device is my Campag freewheel. Oh.
And my voice. If a quick back-pedal doesn't attract attention, then a
softly spoken "passing!" with a lift on the last syllable seems to do
the trick.

There's no excuse for aggressive dinging at pedestrians.

Regards,
Richard.
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Regards.
Richard.

Bleve said:

Having ridden past a number of r*nners who have spontaniously changed
direction and thus, been a very close call, I can fully understand why
a cyclist may wish to warn you that they're coming.

and as I said in the last post....

1. I was not RUNNING, I was barely walking
2. I can understand and appreciate the ding, ding
3. What p*ssed me off was the way it was done, I guess you had to be there just gets lost in translation
4. During the run I had 3 other riders pass me, with a solitary Ding as they approached me, sweet! thanks mate.
5. If it happens again I will make it so he won't have to use his hands to ring the bell next time, he will be able to use sphincter control.