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  1. Greetings,

    This is NOT a flame bait.

    Only after I bought the $20 hemet did I research the manufacturers's
    Web
    sites. I found cycling helmets were divided into categories like
    Road, Mountain, etc. My helmet is under the lesser Sport category.

    My question is, what are the differences between the helmets with
    different prices? Their explanations of "technology" were not
    enlightening. I could care less about the style, ventilation. I do
    care
    about the fit. And safety is the most important.

    About safety. Are there government-regulated safety standards?

    Thanks.

    Roland, genuinely confused

  2. "Roland" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Greetings,

    This is NOT a flame bait.

    Only after I bought the $20 hemet did I research the manufacturers's
    Web
    sites. I found cycling helmets were divided into categories like
    Road, Mountain, etc. My helmet is under the lesser Sport category.

    My question is, what are the differences between the helmets with
    different prices?

    Marketing, # of vents, possibly retention systems, colors. Above all,
    marketing.
    Last years $130 highzoot design is this years $50 sales leader, and next
    years police giveaway.

    Quoted message said:

    Their explanations of "technology" were not
    enlightening. I could care less about the style, ventilation. I do
    care
    about the fit. And safety is the most important.

    About safety. Are there government-regulated safety standards?

    *All* lids sold in the US must meet the current CPSC testing standard. There
    is a slightly tougher standard (Snell) but very, very few lids are tested to
    that standard. And it probably doesn't really make that much difference.

    There should be a certification sticker inside the helmet.
    http://www.bhsi.org/standard.htm#CPSC
    http://www.cpsc.gov/businfo/regsumbicyclehelmets.pdf

    If your $20 lid fits well, is comfortable, and not too ugly, it's fine.

    Pete

  3. Roland said:

    Greetings,

    This is NOT a flame bait.

    Only after I bought the $20 hemet did I research the manufacturers's
    Web
    sites. I found cycling helmets were divided into categories like
    Road, Mountain, etc. My helmet is under the lesser Sport category.

    My question is, what are the differences between the helmets with
    different prices?

    Typically, if you compare a more expensive helmet with a cheaper one,
    this is what you'll find:

    The more expensive one is a little lighter, has more vent holes (so less
    styrofoam), has a slightly better strap system, is made by a company
    with a more recognizable name, and is more in line with _this_ year's
    fashion. It may also have been worn by some famous racer.

    The cheaper one is a bit heavier and has fewer holes, so they can be
    sure it passes the certification test on the first try. It may need
    more careful strap adjustment, since they didn't spend quite so much
    time on strap details. It may be made by a less familiar Oriental
    manufacturer. It may have (horrors!) _last_ year's styling. It won't
    have been used by a famous racer, since they saved money by not
    sponsoring one of those guys.

    And it will be more protective.

    Yes, the cheaper one will protect better. Much of the development time
    of the high-end helmets goes into figuring out how to minimize weight
    and maximize ventilation while barely - just barely - passing the test.
    They sell them to racer-wannabees, and those guys look at grams and
    styling more than anything.

    Their explanations of "technology" were not

    Quoted message said:

    enlightening. I could care less about the style, ventilation. I do
    care
    about the fit. And safety is the most important.

    Of course. We Americans realize, more than anyone, that if we just
    spend enough on bike helmets, big enough SUVs, side curtain air bags,
    carbon monoxide detectors, etc, we'll never actually die. ;-)

    Quoted message said:


    About safety. Are there government-regulated safety standards?

    They're not allowed to sell a helmet in the US unless it passes this
    test: A magnesium "headform" (no body attached) is put into the
    upside-down helmet. The helmeted "head" is dropped from a stationary
    six foot height (roughly). It impacts a hard surface at about 15 miles
    per hour. If the linear deceleration of the headform is more than 300
    gees, the helmet fails.

    There are lots more details, but that's the essence in quick summary.
    It doesn't test the helmeted head with an actual body attached. It
    doesn't measure rotational acceleration of the subject's brain, which is
    actually thought by many experts to be the major mechanism behind
    serious brain injury. It's essentially equal to what would happen if
    you lost your balance while stopped at a traffic light and landed on
    your head. That's what the helmet's designed to protect against.

    --
    --------------------+
    Frank Krygowski [To reply, remove rodent and vegetable dot com,
    replace with cc.ysu dot edu]

  4. "Roland" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Greetings,

    This is NOT a flame bait.

    Only after I bought the $20 hemet did I research the manufacturers's
    Web
    sites. I found cycling helmets were divided into categories like
    Road, Mountain, etc. My helmet is under the lesser Sport category.

    My question is, what are the differences between the helmets with
    different prices? Their explanations of "technology" were not
    enlightening. I could care less about the style, ventilation. I do
    care
    about the fit. And safety is the most important.

    About safety. Are there government-regulated safety standards?

    Thanks.

    Roland, genuinely confused

    Ya I'm confused about helmets too. i see a lot of people these days wearing
    those skater type helmets or climbing helmets which look like they give
    better coverage in the back.

  5. dreaded said:

    i see a lot of people these days
    wearing those skater type helmets or climbing helmets which look like they
    give better coverage in the back.

    It seems those lids have less styrofoam in the front where you'd most
    likely impact. May or may not be something to consider, just an
    observation. I've also noticed that many inexpensive helmets have more
    bulk than the racier versions with the expensive airholes. Perhaps they're
    even safer?

    At any rate, it would make sense that fit and proper helmet adjustment
    would be the most important things to focus on--I see a lot of folks
    around here wearing their helmets like yarmulkes, leaving the foreheads
    open for business so to speak.

  6. Roland said:

    Greetings,

    This is NOT a flame bait.

    Only after I bought the $20 hemet did I research the manufacturers's
    Web
    sites. I found cycling helmets were divided into categories like
    Road, Mountain, etc. My helmet is under the lesser Sport category.

    My question is, what are the differences between the helmets with
    different prices? Their explanations of "technology" were not
    enlightening. I could care less about the style, ventilation. I do
    care
    about the fit. And safety is the most important.

    About safety. Are there government-regulated safety standards?

    The most stringent safety standard is Snell. Few helmets (no Bell or
    Giro models, AFAIK) meet it these days as there's been a general
    reduction in standards to achieve weight and ventilation targets.

    If anything, the cheaper less ventilated helmets will offer better
    protection, but don't expect *any of them* to save you in a collision
    with a motor vehicle.

    Fit depends on the shape of your head, and you'll just have to try
    different brands.

  7. (Roland) said:

    Greetings,

    This is NOT a flame bait.

    Only after I bought the $20 hemet did I research the manufacturers's
    Web
    sites. I found cycling helmets were divided into categories like
    Road, Mountain, etc. My helmet is under the lesser Sport category.

    My question is, what are the differences between the helmets with
    different prices? Their explanations of "technology" were not
    enlightening. I could care less about the style, ventilation. I do
    care about the fit. And safety is the most important.

    As people have been telling you, the price gets you a lighter helmet with bigger
    vents and up to a point better strap systems.

    As for your stated priorities...

    Style, ventilation: these are where most of the money for a premium helmet goes.
    I suspect but can't prove it, that since reducing the amount of material used is
    the main way to achieve those goals, much of the increased price goes into
    insurance and lawyers.

    Fit: more money gets you better straps and mounting systems. This affects safety
    in terms of a second hit, like after your noggin bounces off the edge of the car
    and hits the ground. That said, it's mostly a matter of the shape of your melon
    and what's comfortable to you.

    Safety: I would not be surprised if the less expensive helmets (up to a point)
    were safer in terms of general ruggedness. The fit and retention thing starts
    affecting really cheap helmets.

    To be honest, if the thing fits and feels like it's gonna stay on, there
    probably isn't much difference in safety.

    Quoted message said:

    About safety. Are there government-regulated safety standards?

    There are CPSC standards and there is, probably more importantly, the standards
    that help keep them from losing lawsuits.

    I feel not the least bit endangered by my $30 helmet. The primary safety factor
    is to not crash.

    Quoted message said:

    Roland, genuinely confused

    So was I, until I realized that there was only so much protection I should
    reasonably expect from one of these things. Besides, I'm old and rode forever
    with no helmet at all, and now only do so when heavy traffic or club rules are a
    factor. I don't mean to denigrate the 21st Century idea that no activity should
    be accompanied by any danger whatever, but....

    Ron

  8. On 7 Aug 2004 16:54:54 -0700, [email hidden] (Roland)

    Quoted message said:

    This is NOT a flame bait.

    Only after I bought the $20 hemet did I research the manufacturers's
    Web
    sites. I found cycling helmets were divided into categories like
    Road, Mountain, etc. My helmet is under the lesser Sport category.

    My question is, what are the differences between the helmets with
    different prices? Their explanations of "technology" were not
    enlightening. I could care less about the style, ventilation. I do
    care
    about the fit. And safety is the most important.

    As other respondents have mentioned, most of these are marketing
    distinctions. "Sport" means "inexpensive." "Technology" in marketing
    speak means something like "useless frills to make people buy more
    expensive things instead of less expensive alternatives" in English.

    You may (or may not!) find a visor on a "Mountain" helmet; presumably
    road riders use sunglasses and would have a hard time elevating their
    heads to see underneath the visor. For some reason, probably having
    to do with prescription glasses and late afternoon sun and glare, I
    like using a visor on the road. As for ventilation, my
    ultra-expensive $35 helmet does feel slightly cooler when the
    temperature's over about 80 degrees, but below 45, the "sport" $20
    helmet is warmer and more comfortable.

    Slightly off topic, my wife asked the waiter a few days ago where the
    restaurant's "special imported baby back ribs" were imported from. He
    couldn't find out. I suspect Iowa...

    Pat

    Email address works as is.

  9. "Roland" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Greetings,

    This is NOT a flame bait.

    Only after I bought the $20 hemet did I research the manufacturers's
    Web
    sites. I found cycling helmets were divided into categories like
    Road, Mountain, etc. My helmet is under the lesser Sport category.

    Well, like other posters have mentioned, all helmets sold in the US meet the
    same safety standards. If you like your helmet that's all that matters.
    However, you're more likely to wear it if you think it looks cool. I'm kinda
    paranoid about helmet usage. I wear a Giro Eclipse when I'm training on my
    road bike, but in town I wear a sixsixone bmx/skate helmet. It's heavier and
    hotter but it provides a lot more coverage and it makes me feel safer. Of
    course, I act like a hooligan teenager in town, so it's probably a good
    idea. People look at you funny when you're 34 and still jumping your bike
    off stuff......am I a poseur for wearing a BMX helmet covered in stickers at
    my age? LOL

  10. "gooserider" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "Roland" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Greetings,

    This is NOT a flame bait.

    Only after I bought the $20 hemet did I research the manufacturers's
    Web
    sites. I found cycling helmets were divided into categories like
    Road, Mountain, etc. My helmet is under the lesser Sport category.

    Well, like other posters have mentioned, all helmets sold in the US meet


    the

    Quoted message said:

    same safety standards. If you like your helmet that's all that matters.
    However, you're more likely to wear it if you think it looks cool. I'm


    kinda

    Quoted message said:

    paranoid about helmet usage. I wear a Giro Eclipse when I'm training on my
    road bike, but in town I wear a sixsixone bmx/skate helmet. It's heavier


    and

    Quoted message said:

    hotter but it provides a lot more coverage and it makes me feel safer. Of
    course, I act like a hooligan teenager in town, so it's probably a good
    idea. People look at you funny when you're 34 and still jumping your bike
    off stuff......am I a poseur for wearing a BMX helmet covered in stickers


    at

    Quoted message said:

    my age? LOL

    not if it's a JFA sticker!

  11. "dreaded" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "gooserider" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Roland" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Greetings,

    This is NOT a flame bait.

    Only after I bought the $20 hemet did I research the manufacturers's
    Web
    sites. I found cycling helmets were divided into categories like
    Road, Mountain, etc. My helmet is under the lesser Sport category.

    Well, like other posters have mentioned, all helmets sold in the US meet


    the

    Quoted message said:

    same safety standards. If you like your helmet that's all that matters.
    However, you're more likely to wear it if you think it looks cool. I'm


    kinda

    Quoted message said:

    paranoid about helmet usage. I wear a Giro Eclipse when I'm training on


    my

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    road bike, but in town I wear a sixsixone bmx/skate helmet. It's heavier


    and

    Quoted message said:

    hotter but it provides a lot more coverage and it makes me feel safer.


    Of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    course, I act like a hooligan teenager in town, so it's probably a good
    idea. People look at you funny when you're 34 and still jumping your


    bike

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    off stuff......am I a poseur for wearing a BMX helmet covered in


    stickers

    Quoted message said:

    at

    Quoted message said:

    my age? LOL

    not if it's a JFA sticker!

    How about a Dead Kennedys sticker? I was bombing around a local shopping
    center and one of our local gendarmes saw me jump off the curb. He said,
    "Hey kid cut that out!" I think I was older than he..... LOL

  12. "gooserider" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    How about a Dead Kennedys sticker? I was bombing around a local shopping
    center and one of our local gendarmes saw me jump off the curb. He said,
    "Hey kid cut that out!" I think I was older than he..... LOL

    You should have gone over and talked to him. Probably would
    have surprised him to know that even older folks still ride bikes.

    Bikes are a good training tool for policemen to use to stay
    in shape and it is a fun way to exercise.

  13. "gooserider" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "dreaded" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "gooserider" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "Roland" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    > Greetings,
    >
    > This is NOT a flame bait.
    >
    > Only after I bought the $20 hemet did I research the manufacturers's
    > Web
    > sites. I found cycling helmets were divided into categories like
    > Road, Mountain, etc. My helmet is under the lesser Sport category.

    Well, like other posters have mentioned, all helmets sold in the US


    meet

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the

    Quoted message said:

    same safety standards. If you like your helmet that's all that


    matters.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    However, you're more likely to wear it if you think it looks cool. I'm


    kinda

    Quoted message said:

    paranoid about helmet usage. I wear a Giro Eclipse when I'm training


    on

    Quoted message said:

    my

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    road bike, but in town I wear a sixsixone bmx/skate helmet. It's


    heavier

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and

    Quoted message said:

    hotter but it provides a lot more coverage and it makes me feel safer.


    Of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    course, I act like a hooligan teenager in town, so it's probably a


    good

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    idea. People look at you funny when you're 34 and still jumping your


    bike

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    off stuff......am I a poseur for wearing a BMX helmet covered in


    stickers

    Quoted message said:

    at

    Quoted message said:

    my age? LOL

    not if it's a JFA sticker!

    How about a Dead Kennedys sticker? I was bombing around a local shopping
    center and one of our local gendarmes saw me jump off the curb. He said,
    "Hey kid cut that out!" I think I was older than he..... LOL


    ya getting old can be freaking weird. DK stickers are still popular. i saw a
    kid the other day with (DK) a t-shirt and started talking to him about
    biafra and the PMRC and he had no idea what i was talking about. ya im old
    now. kids these days! haha

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