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Michael MacClancy wrote:
> I'm sure that most people only unclip one when > stopping, usually the less dominant leg.
I'm right-handed and right-footed, yet by immutable habit will always put my right foot down. I mormally put my right hand down as the camber of the road makes it easier, but will use the left if there's railings or a handy kerb. When taking off afterwards (or starting the trike) I'll use either foot.
The leg you put down should generally depend on which side of the traffic you are.
Surely which foot you put down depends a bit on the camber of the road. You generally need to put the uphill foot down (unless the camber is slight) because if you try to put the downhill foot down you'll probably topple over anyway. In my experience, of course.
Of course, that's true. Most paved roads are close enough to level that it doesn't matte, but the exceptions do test the rule quite strenuously.
And off-road the slope defines everything one does. Not that I'd want you to think I'd ever do anything so dumb as to put the wrong foot down and fall downhill or anything. -- Mark South Citizen of the World, Denizen of the Net <<Tiens! Ce poulet a une grenade!
Surely which foot you put down depends a bit on the camber of the road. You generally need to put the uphill foot down (unless the camber is slight) because if you try to put the downhill foot down you'll probably topple over anyway. In my experience, of course.
I've never had a problem and always put my right foot down. I'm left handed and left footed. -- Michael MacClancy Random putdown - "I feel so miserable without you, it's almost like having you here." -Stephen Bishop www.macclancy.demon.co.uk www.macclancy.co.uk
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"Dave Larrington" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:2gh06vF2kdqtU1@uni- berlin.de... > Michael MacClancy wrote: > >> I'm sure that most people only unclip one when >> stopping, usually the less dominant leg. > > I'm right-handed and right-footed, yet by immutable > habit will always put
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> right foot down. I mormally put my right hand down as > the camber of the road makes it easier, but will use > the left if there's railings or a handy kerb. When > taking off afterwards (or starting the trike) I'll use > either foot.
The leg you put down should generally depend on which side of the traffic
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Why? What book's that in?
Having a bad day, Michael?
It's taught in the Safer Cycling course given to schoolkids for example. They get told to stop at the left side of the road and put their left foot down because that way:
A. They run less risk of a truck running over their toes
B. They are leaning away from the traffic so if they do keel over they run less risk of having a truck run over their head.
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An American book I have says you should put down your left foot but probably forgets that some people have a dominant left leg and would rather put down their right foot. Anyway, my book obviously relates the foot to 'handedness' and not traffic.
So all people are right-handed?
No more so than on the so-called Safer Cycling course you refer to.
-- Michael MacClancy Random putdown - "I've had a perfectly wonderful evening. But this wasn't it." -Groucho Marx www.macclancy.demon.co.uk www.macclancy.co.uk
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On Thu, 13 May 2004 13:13:34 +0200, Mark South wrote:
> "Dave Larrington" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > "]news:[email hidden]... >> Michael MacClancy wrote: >> >>> I'm sure that most people only unclip one when >>> stopping, usually the less dominant leg. >> >> I'm right-handed and right-footed, yet by immutable >> habit will always put
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>> right foot down. I mormally put my right hand down as >> the camber of the road makes it easier, but will use >> the left if there's railings or a
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>> kerb. When taking off afterwards (or starting the >> trike) I'll use either foot. > > The leg you put down should generally depend on which > side of the traffic
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Why? What book's that in?
Having a bad day, Michael?
It's taught in the Safer Cycling course given to schoolkids for example.
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get told to stop at the left side of the road and put their left foot down because that way:
A. They run less risk of a truck running over their toes
B. They are leaning away from the traffic so if they do keel over they run
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risk of having a truck run over their head.
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An American book I have says you should put down your left foot but probably forgets that some people have a dominant left leg and would rather put down their right foot. Anyway, my book obviously relates the foot to 'handedness' and not traffic.
So all people are right-handed?
No more so than on the so-called Safer Cycling course you refer to.
I guess that you really are having a bad day.
It's not the "so-called" Safer Cycling course, it's the course called Safer Cycling.
And the reason there for putting the left foot down is because one drives on the left in the UK.
Now I'll leave off. You can make some further short-tempered remarks at your leisure by way of having the last word. -- Mark South Citizen of the World, Denizen of the Net <<Tiens! Ce poulet a une grenade!
On Wed, 12 May 2004 11:50:03 +0100, "Dave Larrington" <[email hidden]>
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What Pete said. Well I recall a something written by the Wise Mr. Ballantine:
Wise Mr. Ballantine: I'd like a pair of ski boots, please. Ski Shop Lackey: And what sort of boots does Sir require? Wise Mr. Ballantine: Ones that fit.
On a skiing holiday many years ago there was a girl staying in the same chalet as me many years. She was a beginner and bought a loverly pair of Salamon Force 7 skis because she liked the colour. How to waste several hundered quid in five easy minutes.
On Wed, 12 May 2004 11:50:03 +0100, "Dave Larrington" <[email hidden]>
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What Pete said. Well I recall a something written by the Wise Mr. Ballantine:
Wise Mr. Ballantine: I'd like a pair of ski boots, please. Ski Shop Lackey: And what sort of boots does Sir require? Wise Mr. Ballantine: Ones that fit.
On a skiing holiday many years ago there was a girl staying in the same chalet as me many years. She was a beginner and bought a loverly pair of Salamon Force 7 skis because she liked the colour. How to waste several hundered quid in five easy minutes.
On Wed, 12 May 2004 15:10:15 GMT, Velvet <[email hidden]>
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I can see no good reason why I should add spd's into the equation of cycling in traffic when I'm still not able to signal in traffic. Signalling, to me, is something I need to get under my belt before I start having to think about unclipping, and I can do without being nervous about unclipping/falling off whilst in traffic while I master that :-)
Hi Velvet
Why not try riding in the normal position but with one hand an inch or two about the bars? You wil be easily able to grab the bar should you wish and won't have a possibly destablising arm out to one side. After a while, when you become comforatable doing this, you hopefully will feel more confident in sticking your arm further out.
I can see no good reason why I should add spd's into the equation of cycling in traffic when I'm still not able to signal in traffic. Signalling, to me, is something I need to get under my belt before I start having to think about unclipping, and I can do without being nervous about unclipping/falling off whilst in traffic while I master that :-)
Hi Velvet
Why not try riding in the normal position but with one hand an inch or two about the bars? You wil be easily able to grab the bar should you wish and won't have a possibly destablising arm out to one side. After a while, when you become comforatable doing this, you hopefully will feel more confident in sticking your arm further out.
James
Yep, that's one of the things I'm doing when the opportunity arises. I can manage to scratch my nose, but realise I do need to manage with one hand only for longer than that takes. Much of it is nerves I think though - if I can scratch my nose, for heaven's sake, I should be able to fling an arm out to the side!
On Wed, 12 May 2004 15:10:15 GMT, Velvet <[email hidden]>
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I can see no good reason why I should add spd's into the equation of cycling in traffic when I'm still not able to signal in traffic. Signalling, to me, is something I need to get under my belt before I start having to think about unclipping, and I can do without being nervous about unclipping/falling off whilst in traffic while I master that :-)
Hi Velvet
Why not try riding in the normal position but with one hand an inch or two about the bars? You wil be easily able to grab the bar should you wish and won't have a possibly destablising arm out to one side. After a while, when you become comforatable doing this, you hopefully will feel more confident in sticking your arm further out.
Yep, that's one of the things I'm doing when the opportunity arises. I can manage to scratch my nose, but realise I do need to manage with one hand only for longer than that takes. Much of it is nerves I think though - if I can scratch my nose, for heaven's sake, I should be able to fling an arm out to the side!
There's no need to fling it out. A violent movement like that may cause problems. Just hold it out. Anyway, the usefulness of a lot of indicating by cyclists is questionable and, in some cases, indicating is to be avoided. -- Michael MacClancy Random putdown - "He is not only dull himself, he is the cause of dullness in others." -Samuel Johnson www.macclancy.demon.co.uk www.macclancy.co.uk
I can see no good reason why I should add spd's into the equation of cycling in traffic when I'm still not able to signal in traffic. Signalling, to me, is something I need to get under my belt before I start having to think about unclipping, and I can do without being nervous about unclipping/falling off whilst in traffic while I master that :-)
Hi Velvet
Why not try riding in the normal position but with one hand an inch or two about the bars? You wil be easily able to grab the bar should you wish and won't have a possibly destablising arm out to one side. After a while, when you become comforatable doing this, you hopefully will feel more confident in sticking your arm further out.
James
Yep, that's one of the things I'm doing when the opportunity arises. I can manage to scratch my nose, but realise I do need to manage with one hand only for longer than that takes. Much of it is nerves I think though - if I can scratch my nose, for heaven's sake, I should be able to fling an arm out to the side!
Yep, that's one of the things I'm doing when the opportunity arises. I can manage to scratch my nose, but realise I do need to manage with one hand only for longer than that takes. Much of it is nerves I think though - if I can scratch my nose, for heaven's sake, I should be able to fling an arm out to the side!
There's no need to fling it out. A violent movement like that may cause problems. Just hold it out. Anyway, the usefulness of a lot of indicating by cyclists is questionable and, in some cases, indicating is to be avoided. -- Michael MacClancy Random putdown - "He is not only dull himself, he is the cause of dullness in others." -Samuel Johnson www.macclancy.demon.co.uk www.macclancy.co.uk
Yep, that's one of the things I'm doing when the opportunity arises. I can manage to scratch my nose, but realise I do need to manage with one hand only for longer than that takes. Much of it is nerves I think though - if I can scratch my nose, for heaven's sake, I should be able to fling an arm out to the side!
There's no need to fling it out. A violent movement like that may cause problems. Just hold it out. Anyway, the usefulness of a lot of indicating by cyclists is questionable and, in some cases, indicating is to be avoided.
Yeah, I know flinging's bad, but I was trying to get across it should be something I can just *do*... not have to think about compensating for it, etc.
There's no need to fling it out. A violent movement like that may cause problems. Just hold it out. Anyway, the usefulness of a lot of indicating by cyclists is questionable and, in some cases, indicating is to be avoided.
Yeah, I know flinging's bad, but I was trying to get across it should be something I can just *do*... not have to think about compensating for it, etc.
Yes, and people *should* be able to ride with no hands but many can't/won't and it doesn't stop them cycling. You're trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist, it seems to me. -- Michael MacClancy Random putdown - "Some cause happiness wherever they go; others whenever they go." -Oscar Wilde www.macclancy.demon.co.uk www.macclancy.co.uk
There's no need to fling it out. A violent movement like that may cause problems. Just hold it out. Anyway, the usefulness of a lot of indicating by cyclists is questionable and, in some cases, indicating is to be avoided.
Yeah, I know flinging's bad, but I was trying to get across it should be something I can just *do*... not have to think about compensating for it, etc.
Yes, and people *should* be able to ride with no hands but many can't/won't and it doesn't stop them cycling. You're trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist, it seems to me. -- Michael MacClancy Random putdown - "Some cause happiness wherever they go; others whenever they go." -Oscar Wilde www.macclancy.demon.co.uk www.macclancy.co.uk
On Thu, 13 May 2004 16:03:29 GMT, Velvet <[email hidden]>
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Yep, that's one of the things I'm doing when the opportunity arises. I can manage to scratch my nose, but realise I do need to manage with one hand only for longer than that takes. Much of it is nerves I think though - if I can scratch my nose, for heaven's sake, I should be able to fling an arm out to the side!
Try freewheeling at the same time. Not pedal motion to put you off.
Yep, that's one of the things I'm doing when the opportunity arises. I can manage to scratch my nose, but realise I do need to manage with one hand only for longer than that takes. Much of it is nerves I think though - if I can scratch my nose, for heaven's sake, I should be able to fling an arm out to the side!
Try freewheeling at the same time. Not pedal motion to put you off.
James
I do, that's the only way I can get the hands off ;-)
ICBW but I think I got into the habit of putting the left foot down by default as that was the obvious one to have on the ground when I was mounting a bike with a "you'll grow into it" sized frame from a kerb and heading off on the LHS of the road. And when coming in to land on a nice raised kerb while headed in the same direction. It was just easier that way round. Similarly I mount the bike from the left by default, and actually have to think about it to get on from the other side...
You beast of Beelzebub, Peter. Mounting from the right side and putting ones right foot down first is the only correct way to do things. Of course, I'm left handed so am also a spawn of Stan.
Whenever I have to do an emergency unclip with my left foot I find it almost impossible to get going again until I've unclipped my right shoe and reinserted my left.
ICBW but I think I got into the habit of putting the left foot down by default as that was the obvious one to have on the ground when I was mounting a bike with a "you'll grow into it" sized frame from a kerb and heading off on the LHS of the road. And when coming in to land on a nice raised kerb while headed in the same direction. It was just easier that way round. Similarly I mount the bike from the left by default, and actually have to think about it to get on from the other side...
You beast of Beelzebub, Peter. Mounting from the right side and putting ones right foot down first is the only correct way to do things. Of course, I'm left handed so am also a spawn of Stan.
Whenever I have to do an emergency unclip with my left foot I find it almost impossible to get going again until I've unclipped my right shoe and reinserted my left.
James
I'm a left-foot-downer, right foot on pedal to go again person.. the right leg is stronger/more finely controllable than the left, I guess. I'm right-handed, and right-footed.
There's no need to fling it out. A violent movement like that may cause problems. Just hold it out. Anyway, the usefulness of a lot of indicating by cyclists is questionable and, in some cases, indicating is to be avoided.
Yeah, I know flinging's bad, but I was trying to get across it should be something I can just *do*... not have to think about compensating for it, etc.
Yes, and people *should* be able to ride with no hands but many can't/won't and it doesn't stop them cycling. You're trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist, it seems to me.
Not really - I am, currently, not able to signal to other road users what I want to do. I need to be able to do this, though I realise it won't be possible in ALL cases, where it is, it should be done.
For example, I think it'd be easier to pull out into the stream of traffic to do a right turn off a more major road, if I could stick an arm out and thus indicate to the cars behind that's my wish/intention, and that yes, I WILL be looking to pull into a gap between them, and thus then cross, potentially stop, toward the middle of the road.
