Cycle on MML / TL, Leic - Flitwick?

No restrictions Luton-Bedford IIRC on TL, they employ armed guards
south of Luton ;-)

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MartinM <[email hidden]> typed:

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No restrictions Luton-Bedford IIRC on TL,

Up to 4 bikes on all MML HSTs and Meridians - must be pre-booked.

You might find this site useful:
http://www.atob.org.uk/Bike_Rail.html

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Bob

Bob Wood said:

In news:[email hidden],

Up to 4 bikes on all MML HSTs and Meridians - must be pre-booked.

I thought reservations were needed but staff at Leicester told me on
Meridians it was first come first served (this was at 8am too!)

peter

In news:[email hidden],
naked_draughtsman <[email hidden]> typed:

Quoted message said:

Bob Wood said:

In news:[email hidden],

Up to 4 bikes on all MML HSTs and Meridians - must be pre-booked.

Quoted message said:

I thought reservations were needed but staff at Leicester told me on
Meridians it was first come first served (this was at 8am too!)

On the turbostars, bikes could be taken on a first-come/first-served
basis but *only* off-peak.

Now that the turbostars have gone upto 4 bikes atr carried on all
services but they should be reserved in advance. I suspect that most
train-managers will let you take an unbooked bike if he has space
available, but there is at least one who takes everything by the book so
I would not risk it.

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Bob

naked_draughtsman said:

Bob Wood said:

In news:[email hidden],

Up to 4 bikes on all MML HSTs and Meridians - must be pre-booked.

I thought reservations were needed but staff at Leicester told me on
Meridians it was first come first served (this was at 8am too!)

I'll take a trip to Leicester station to get the tickets tomorrow, and
ask them then.

I've been looking at the online prices, the price for a std. Open from
Leic. to Flitwick is £20.
MML are doing a promotion, a Leic - London single is available for £8,
in the terms, it states no break of journey, so I presume that stops me
getting off at Bedford then changing to a TL train to go the next 10
miles to Flitwick?
They also do an Advance purchase single to Bedford for £8, but you have
to book which train, I think I'll do this, just to save a little cash,
then get a single from Bedford to Flitwick for £4.60.

These rail fares are rather daft - travel another 40 miles to London and
pay £4.60 less!
Alan.

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On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 22:00:39 +0100, A.Lee wrote in
<1h48kv9.gagx32zbq3s0N%alan@darkroom.+.com>, seen in uk.railway:

[...]

Quoted message said:

MML are doing a promotion, a Leic - London single is available for £8,
in the terms, it states no break of journey, so I presume that stops me
getting off at Bedford then changing to a TL train to go the next 10
miles to Flitwick?

It does, not so much because of the no-break-of-journey rule [1] but
because it's an MML-specific ticket - it's only valid on MML. TL won't
get any payment from that ticket and if you tried to use it on a TL
train I suspect you'd be risking a Penalty Fare.

[1] Changing trains is not Break of Journey.
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Hon. Pres., National Soc. for the Encouragement for Cruelty to Dogboxes
Proud to be the target of various trolls, sock puppets and other idiots

In message <[email hidden]>, at 20:34:29 on
Tue, 11 Oct 2005, Ross <[email hidden]> remarked:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

MML are doing a promotion, a Leic - London single is available for £8,
in the terms, it states no break of journey, so I presume that stops me
getting off at Bedford then changing to a TL train to go the next 10
miles to Flitwick?

It does, not so much because of the no-break-of-journey rule [1] but
because it's an MML-specific ticket - it's only valid on MML. TL won't
get any payment from that ticket and if you tried to use it on a TL
train I suspect you'd be risking a Penalty Fare.

[1] Changing trains is not Break of Journey.

But even if it wasn't an MML specific ticket (well spotted that man) the
OP was suggesting leaving the train at Flitwick station, which is a
disallowed break of journey - irrespective of whether he then completed
the journey by travelling from Flitwick to London.
--
Roland Perry

On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 22:27:14 +0100, Roland Perry <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

But even if it wasn't an MML specific ticket (well spotted that man) the
OP was suggesting leaving the train at Flitwick station, which is a
disallowed break of journey

It's an abandonment of journey - they're treated differently in the
NCoC. Abandonment is permitted in any situation provided it's not
explicitly forbidden (and I don't know anywhere it is).

Not that it helps in the OP's case.

"asdf" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 22:27:14 +0100, Roland Perry <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

But even if it wasn't an MML specific ticket (well spotted that man) the
OP was suggesting leaving the train at Flitwick station, which is a
disallowed break of journey

It's an abandonment of journey - they're treated differently in the
NCoC. Abandonment is permitted in any situation provided it's not
explicitly forbidden (and I don't know anywhere it is).

Not that it helps in the OP's case.

So what if he gets his cheap ticket to London, then abandons his journey at
Luton(?) and has a separate ticket from Luton to Flitwick?

--
Ronnie
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On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 02:31:47 +0100, "Ronnie Clark"

_ham_and_pork_b_gone.freeserve.co.uk said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

But even if it wasn't an MML specific ticket (well spotted that man) the
OP was suggesting leaving the train at Flitwick station, which is a
disallowed break of journey

It's an abandonment of journey - they're treated differently in the
NCoC. Abandonment is permitted in any situation provided it's not
explicitly forbidden (and I don't know anywhere it is).

Not that it helps in the OP's case.

So what if he gets his cheap ticket to London, then abandons his journey at
Luton(?) and has a separate ticket from Luton to Flitwick?

He could do that (abandoning at Bedford), but it would be no cheaper
than just buying the advance purchase ticket to Bedford instead.

In message <[email hidden]>, at 02:01:35 on
Wed, 12 Oct 2005, asdf <[email hidden]> remarked:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

But even if it wasn't an MML specific ticket (well spotted that man) the
OP was suggesting leaving the train at Flitwick station, which is a
disallowed break of journey

It's an abandonment of journey - they're treated differently in the
NCoC. Abandonment is permitted in any situation provided it's not
explicitly forbidden (and I don't know anywhere it is).

Thanks, I didn't know it was treated differently.
--
Roland Perry

In message <[email hidden]>, Ross
<[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

It does, not so much because of the no-break-of-journey rule [1] but
because it's an MML-specific ticket - it's only valid on MML. TL won't
get any payment from that ticket and if you tried to use it on a TL
train I suspect you'd be risking a Penalty Fare.

[1] Changing trains is not Break of Journey.

So he could purchase in advance both the £8 Leicester-London ticket and
a Bedford-Flitwick ticket and change trains in Bedford station. He
would then not be breaking his journey, merely changing trains (and
tickets). He could claim to be abandoning his outward journey at
Bedford, could he not? Wouldn't this be legal, and cheaper?

--
Clive Page

Clive Page said:

In message <[email hidden]>, Ross
<[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

It does, not so much because of the no-break-of-journey rule [1] but
because it's an MML-specific ticket - it's only valid on MML. TL won't
get any payment from that ticket and if you tried to use it on a TL
train I suspect you'd be risking a Penalty Fare.

[1] Changing trains is not Break of Journey.

So he could purchase in advance both the £8 Leicester-London ticket and
a Bedford-Flitwick ticket and change trains in Bedford station. He
would then not be breaking his journey, merely changing trains (and
tickets). He could claim to be abandoning his outward journey at
Bedford, could he not? Wouldn't this be legal, and cheaper?

Following up to this old thread, I was the OP.
The £8 fare was a 'book the day before' to London, via Midland Mainline.
To get to Flitwick from Leicester, I need to change at Bedford to get a
Thameslink service to Flitwick (MML do not stop at Flitwick).
Hence, the £8 ticket could not be used to get to Flitwick, as it would
mean a change of train company, and the ticket is only valid with MML.

In the end, I bought a reduced,book ahead, £8 fare to Bedford, then a
£4.60 single to Flitwick. £12.60 to do 35 miles less than the £8 fare to
London. It doesnt seem quite right does it?

Anyway, the journey went well.Meridian service from Leic - Bedford.Bike
symbol on the front door opening, but nowhere apparent to leave the
bike, so I just left it at the front,between the 2 doors.The guard came
round later, and said bikes should be in the front luggage compartment,
which is only accessible by the guard.There was no indication of this at
all.Anyway, i was getting off at the next stop, so he said just leave it
there.
TL have a bit more standing room on their trains, so plenty of space
(off peak only no doubt) to lean a bike.There is 1 space for a bike, but
someone else had got there before me.
Got off at Flitwick, and the heavens opened, and I'd prepared for a dry
day.Otherwise it went well.
Alan.

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