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  1. Been thinking about the cycle commuting incentives, and realised that
    maybe that's not the right question to ask. Or at least not the only
    question.

    Perhaps the committee should be asking people what stops them riding to
    work?

    Seems to me you have:
    - people who already ride to work at least some of the time. You want
    to keep them riding and maybe make them do it more
    - people who have thought about it, but haven't tried it
    - people who are never going to try it.

    It's the ones who've thought about it that you want, the ones who are
    even slightly open to the idea.

    What's stopping them trying it?

    Things I can think of:
    - feeling it's too far to ride.
    - not sure about facilities - showers etc
    - it will take too long, have to ride home in the dark or get up too
    early. What about getting the kids to school?
    - can't carry things like decent clothes
    - don't have a bike, or don't think the old one will do the job
    - scared of traffic

    Ask around, see if I'm on the money. And maybe find other reasons
    people aren't doing it.

    Then see if you can deal with those reasons.

    For example, sponsor a try-riding-to-work day for those who have access to
    a bike. You get their boss to agree to them being latish in, and you try
    and hook them up with people in their area who are currently commuting.
    Or you even get a current commuter to go to their area. Or you arrange
    a rendezvous point where all the try-riding people meet to ride in in
    a bunch. The idea being that they get to share the time with someone,
    not feel so lonely, have a reason to try and not chicken out. You give
    each person a map showing bike paths and safer roads for their personal
    trip, so they realise they don't have to fight the traffic that much.
    Get them to overcome their fears and realise it's doable. And that it
    doesn't take as long as they think.

    Get the info out there. Have a webpage or brochure talking about
    how to cope with carrying your work clothes on your bicycle. Or what
    can be left at work like jackets. Have info about dressing for cycling,
    that doesn't talk about expensive special purpose gear, but how you can
    manage with clothes you have right now. A map showing the showers and
    lockers and bikeparks. A map showing the cycle routes most folk will be
    taking to work.

    Offer to help people choose a bike. Talk to bikeshops and say your dept
    is sponsoring this and see if any come up with a willingness to give
    your workers a discount or extra help and welcome. Then publicise those
    shops on the web page as places for commuters to go for help. Ask the
    local council for a map of council bike facilities for people who need
    to nick out to do the shopping or whatever.

    Push for not just suit-coat length lockers, but things like ironing
    boards in the men's changeroom as well as the women's. Places to dry
    wet clothing.

    Target what's stopping people, because that's likely to be more powerful
    in affecting the non-commuters than any incentive you can come up with.

    Zebee

    --
    Zebee Johnstone ([email hidden]), proud holder of
    aus.motorcycles Poser Permit #1.
    "Motorcycles are like peanuts... who can stop at just one?"

  2. What I've often found is that the 'reasons' that stop people are not really that but rather excuses. You could have a butler and a heated towel service and there would still be another reason not too ride. Its unsafe, the weather etc...

  3. Zebee Johnstone said:

    but things like ironing boards in the men's changeroom

    Good God Zebee, I thought you were talking about incentives.
    :-)

    Theo

  4. Quoted message said:

    Perhaps the committee should be asking people what stops them riding
    to work?

    Yes, I think that's a better question.

    For me it's currently security. Most of my previous jobs have had room to bring the bike in to the office, and I did. That's not possible here.

    I'm slightly anti-car, and haven't owned one since 1989, although I do hire them now and then, and use cabs. I travel by bike/foot/PT/cab according to a complex, irrational, ever varying internal algorithm based on ease, time, cost, comfort, danger, security.

    Sometimes I cycle in nasty weather (too hot / too cold & wet).
    Sometimes I lock my bike in a dodgy place (e.g. outside a supermarket) for 10 minutes.
    Sometimes I ride a long way on a narrow busy road.
    Sometimes I ride with a heavy or cumbersome load on my back.
    Mostly in those situations I'll walk / get PT / hail a cab.

  5. Zebee Johnstone said:

    You give
    each person a map showing bike paths and safer roads for their personal
    trip, so they realise they don't have to fight the traffic that much.

    this was the straw that broke the cammels back, so to speak.
    i had been thinking about riding to work for over 12 months.
    i was handed a bundle of maps covering all of adelaide.

    in the mean time i had started driving those bike safe roads,
    many with bike paths. so by the time i got on the bike i knew
    where to go... planning out the trip and side trips is about
    confidence about knowing where to ride, in _relative_ safety.
    also get to know your water stops/shops/cafes & public loos etc

    cheers,

    kim

  6. Kim Hawtin said:

    this was the straw that broke the cammels back, so to speak.
    i had been thinking about riding to work for over 12 months.
    i was handed a bundle of maps covering all of adelaide.

    in the mean time i had started driving those bike safe roads,
    many with bike paths. so by the time i got on the bike i knew
    where to go... planning out the trip and side trips is about
    confidence about knowing where to ride, in _relative_ safety.
    also get to know your water stops/shops/cafes & public loos etc

    Perth has a bunch of maps (about four I think) which show not only roads but
    also which of them have hills and which are considred 'safer'. Called Perth
    Bikemaps, available in most bikeshops and from the gobrnment. Also shows
    public facilities. They are on kevlar so don't deteriorate if wet. Maybe
    Adelaide does something similar.

    Theo

  7. Kim Hawtin said:

    in the mean time i had started driving those bike safe roads,
    many with bike paths. so by the time i got on the bike i knew
    where to go... planning out the trip and side trips is about
    confidence about knowing where to ride, in _relative_ safety.
    also get to know your water stops/shops/cafes & public loos etc

    That's a really good point. After you've been commuting for a while and
    found all the best routes you tend to forget how inefficient your
    original route was. My first commute after movign house was an absolute
    shocker based on maps that don't show hills, tight roads, or where the
    traffic banks up. I'd say if you are starting out the hills are
    definitely to be avoided and if anyone at work talks about starting to
    ride in I can give them the minimal hills route to work from Bulleen.
    Otherwise there'd be a good chance they'd do it once and then never again.

    DaveB - KOaM (King Of avoiding Mountain)

  8. On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 at 05:51 GMT, Theo Bekkers (aka Bruce)
    was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

    Quoted message said:

    Perth has a bunch of maps (about four I think) which show not only roads but
    also which of them have hills and which are considred 'safer'. Called Perth
    Bikemaps, available in most bikeshops and from the gobrnment. Also shows
    public facilities. They are on kevlar so don't deteriorate if wet. Maybe
    Adelaide does something similar.

    Kevlar eh?

    I got a little fold up map of Melbourne's bike routes, and it has
    already deteriorated after being unfolded maybe 5 times. I haven't
    even had a chance to fire it in battle yet.

    --
    TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/
    DJ - "Isn't it pathetic to quote yourself?"
    David Barnes - "No, not when you are as good as me"

  9. TimC said:

    Kevlar eh?

    I got a little fold up map of Melbourne's bike routes, and it has
    already deteriorated after being unfolded maybe 5 times. I haven't
    even had a chance to fire it in battle yet.

    Perth bike maps give you most of the UBD on Kevlar in four maps costing
    about $5 each. Bargain!

    Theo

  10. Zebee Johnstone said:

    Been thinking about the cycle commuting incentives, and realised that
    maybe that's not the right question to ask. Or at least not the only
    question.

    Perhaps the committee should be asking people what stops them riding
    to work?

    Seems to me you have:
    - people who already ride to work at least some of the time. You
    want to keep them riding and maybe make them do it more
    - people who have thought about it, but haven't tried it
    - people who are never going to try it.

    It's the ones who've thought about it that you want, the ones who are
    even slightly open to the idea.

    What's stopping them trying it?

    Things I can think of:

    SNIP

    Maybe a little cynical, but here's a few other reasons:
    - "I won't look good on a bike, especially unfit on a bike."
    - "People will think I'm weird, or not serious enough about my job."
    - "I'm paying off my car (or salary sacrificing for a company car
    etc), I've got to get my value out of it."

  11. Theo Bekkers said:
    TimC said:

    Kevlar eh?

    I got a little fold up map of Melbourne's bike routes, and it has
    already deteriorated after being unfolded maybe 5 times. I haven't
    even had a chance to fire it in battle yet.

    Perth bike maps give you most of the UBD on Kevlar in four maps costing
    about $5 each. Bargain!

    Theo

    For Kevlar it's a bargain. Are you sure it isn't mylar or something?

    Marty

  12. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> "Zebee" == Zebee Johnstone <[email hidden]> writes:

    Zebee> What's stopping them trying it?

    Simple, bone idleness.
    --
    Cheers
    Euan

  13. [email hidden said:

    "]>>>>> "Zebee" == Zebee Johnstone <[email hidden]> writes:

    Zebee> What's stopping them trying it?

    Simple, bone idleness.

    I used to ride to Uni rather than catch the train when it meant I had 5 more minutes to get out the door.
    Laziness can be the reason to ride.

  14. Quoted message said:

    I used to ride to Uni rather than catch the train when it meant I had
    5 more minutes to get out the door.
    Laziness can be the reason to ride.

    I can top that...

    I walk 20 minutes to work, because the last tram that gets me there on time leaves 22 minutes before I have to be there.

  15. "Theo Bekkers" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Perth has a bunch of maps (about four I think) which show not only roads


    but

    Quoted message said:

    also which of them have hills and which are considred 'safer'. Called


    Perth

    Quoted message said:

    Bikemaps, available in most bikeshops and from the gobrnment. Also shows
    public facilities. They are on kevlar so don't deteriorate if wet. Maybe
    Adelaide does something similar.


    The Adelaide maps of the network - Bikedirect - can be found here:
    http://www.transport.sa.gov.au/personal_transport/bike_direct/maps.asp

  16. If it’s regarded as a cool thing to do then people would ride through sleet, hail & driving snow.
    At the moment some people think nothing of laying down $60,000 (financed in most cases) on a car to get around, because you can get some pretty funky cars at that price range and friends will comment approvingly no end. To me that’s pretty extreme though.

    In Melbourne cycling to work is ever increasing, mostly because of the increase in bike paths/lanes, but also because of the increase in profile cycling has in Australia nowadays – it’s becoming cool to cycle.

    I believe this current trend in Melbourne may mean that in 3 years, the cycle traffic in summer to/from CBD Melbourne will become a traffic management issue (overcrowding paths, increased conflicts with pedestrians & motorists, ‘bike-rage’ & shortage in bike parking facilities & rider amenities). Already, locations like Swanston St, Southbank, Beach Rd & St Kilda rds are becoming cycle black-spots for bike related incidents (collisions, altercations between users etc).

    The influx of new riders to cycling who have discovered some of the apparent disregard they may get from other road/path users have developed a greater sense of assertive behaviour in some of these cyclists. Some of this is expressed on occasions as flagrant disregard and the overt expression towards other commuters/users.

    This would be the worst aspect of a greater interest in commuting by bike.

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