When it comes to bicycles, custom is well defined...unless you are an e-diot. I laugh constantly at those who throw a few aftermarket parts or cheesy upgrades on a cookie cutter frame and call it a "custom" (mtbretards is a great place to view this spectacle). What a joke. It may be "customized", but it is not "custom". Custom bikes start at the frame, plain and simple. If it's off the rack, or part of an assembly line, it's not custom. Carl Strong will make you a custom frame, as will Chris Cocalis, Chet Peach or one of many good framebuilders that are out there. The cookie cutter companies may make a custom bike for one of their racers or a friend, but what goes to regular joe is not a custom, even if regular joe does put XTR and all of the latest doodad electronic BS on it.
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Thanks for the chuckle o' the day. Sometimes the simple things are the funniest.
When it comes to bicycles, custom is well defined...unless you are an e-diot. I laugh constantly at those who throw a few aftermarket parts or cheesy upgrades on a cookie cutter frame and call it a "custom" (mtbretards is a great place to view this spectacle). What a joke. It may be "customized", but it is not "custom". Custom bikes start at the frame, plain and simple. If it's off the rack, or part of an assembly line, it's not custom. Carl Strong will make you a custom frame, as will Chris Cocalis, Chet Peach or one of many good framebuilders that are out there. The cookie cutter companies may make a custom bike for one of their racers or a friend, but what goes to regular joe is not a custom, even if regular joe does put XTR and all of the latest doodad electronic BS on it.
JD guffaw
O.K. I'll bite. I had an otherwise stock Fat Chance ('88? '89?) that had a factory hand painted jigsaw puzzle pattern over the entire frame. My idea, Fat City painters (awesome IMO) execution. Chance eventually offered the pattern as an option. Was it custom or customIZED?
When it comes to bicycles, custom is well defined...unless you are an e-diot. I laugh constantly at those who throw a few aftermarket parts or cheesy upgrades on a cookie cutter frame and call it a "custom" (mtbretards is a great place to view this spectacle). What a joke. It may be "customized", but it is not "custom". Custom bikes start at the frame, plain and simple. If it's off the rack, or part of an assembly line, it's not custom. Carl Strong will make you a custom frame, as will Chris Cocalis, Chet Peach or one of many good framebuilders that are out there. The cookie cutter companies may make a custom bike for one of their racers or a friend, but what goes to regular joe is not a custom, even if regular joe does put XTR and all of the latest doodad electronic BS on it.
JD guffaw
O.K. I'll bite. I had an otherwise stock Fat Chance ('88? '89?) that had a factory hand painted jigsaw puzzle pattern over the entire frame. My idea, Fat City painters (awesome IMO) execution. Chance eventually offered the pattern as an option. Was it custom or customIZED?
I would certainly call a stock frame, with every single part hand selected based on the owner's choices, a custom bike, no matter what JD thinks. The same build, on a Seven frame built to the owner's measurements, is also a custom bike.
If it's custom built for one rider, then sold to a different rider, is it still custom built? <G>
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When it comes to bicycles, custom is well defined...unless you are an e-diot. I laugh constantly at those who throw a few aftermarket parts or cheesy upgrades on a cookie cutter frame and call it a "custom" (mtbretards is a great place to view this spectacle). What a joke. It may be "customized", but it is not "custom". Custom bikes start at the frame, plain and simple. If it's off the rack, or part of an assembly line, it's not custom. Carl Strong will make you a custom frame, as will Chris Cocalis, Chet Peach or one of many good framebuilders that are out there. The cookie cutter companies may make a custom bike for one of their racers or a friend, but what goes to regular joe is not a custom, even if regular joe does put XTR and all of the latest doodad electronic BS on it.
JD guffaw
O.K. I'll bite. I had an otherwise stock Fat Chance ('88? '89?) that had a factory hand painted jigsaw puzzle pattern over the entire frame. My idea, Fat City painters (awesome IMO) execution. Chance eventually offered the pattern as an option. Was it custom or customIZED?
In <[email hidden]> JD wrote: > When it comes to bicycles, custom is well defined...unless you are an e-diot. I laugh > constantly at those who throw a few aftermarket parts or cheesy upgrades on a cookie cutter > frame and call it a "custom" (mtbretards is a great place to view this spectacle). What a > joke. It may be "customized", but it is not "custom". Custom bikes start at the frame, plain > and simple. If it's off the rack, or part of an assembly line, it's not custom. Carl Strong > will make you a custom frame, as will Chris Cocalis, Chet Peach or one of many good > framebuilders that are out there. The cookie cutter companies may make a custom bike for one > of their racers or a friend, but what goes to regular joe is not a custom, even if regular > joe does put XTR and all of the latest doodad electronic BS on it. > > JD guffaw
O.K. I'll bite. I had an otherwise stock Fat Chance ('88? '89?) that had a factory hand painted jigsaw puzzle pattern over the entire frame. My idea, Fat City painters (awesome IMO) execution. Chance eventually offered the pattern as an option. Was it custom or customIZED?
Shawn
I'd say custom paint on a stock bike.
Hence, customized.
JD
O.K. Nice customized bike, but I worried too much about the cool paint. Sold it and bought a bike I would be O.K. with if I broke it, which I did-like a twig-it was a Trek! Trek came through quickly though.
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When it comes to bicycles, custom is well defined...unless you are an e-diot. I laugh constantly at those who throw a few aftermarket parts or cheesy upgrades on a cookie cutter frame and call it a "custom" (mtbretards is a great place to view this spectacle). What a joke. It may be "customized", but it is not "custom". Custom bikes start at the frame, plain and simple. If it's off the rack, or part of an assembly line, it's not custom. Carl Strong will make you a custom frame, as will Chris Cocalis, Chet Peach or one of many good framebuilders that are out there. The cookie cutter companies may make a custom bike for one of their racers or a friend, but what goes to regular joe is not a custom, even if regular joe does put XTR and all of the latest doodad electronic BS on it.
JD guffaw
What if I put those little "dingle berries" down the top tube, velvet upholstery on the seat, a little chain steering wheel, and some mirrors? Now that would be a sweet custom ride!
Matt (actually had a bid on a low-rider frame on eBay and got beat out by a couple of bucks!)
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When it comes to bicycles, custom is well defined...unless you are an e-diot. I laugh constantly at those who throw a few aftermarket parts or cheesy upgrades on a cookie cutter frame and call it a "custom" (mtbretards is a great place to view this spectacle). What a joke. It may be "customized", but it is not "custom". Custom bikes start at the frame, plain and simple. If it's off the rack, or part of an assembly line, it's not custom. Carl Strong will make you a custom frame, as will Chris Cocalis, Chet Peach or one of many good framebuilders that are out there. The cookie cutter companies may make a custom bike for one of their racers or a friend, but what goes to regular joe is not a custom, even if regular joe does put XTR and all of the latest doodad electronic BS on it.
JD guffaw
What if I put those little "dingle berries" down the top tube, velvet upholstery on the seat, a little chain steering wheel, and some mirrors? Now that would be a sweet custom ride!
Matt (actually had a bid on a low-rider frame on eBay and got beat out by a couple of bucks!)
Many lowrider frames are custom, made from bending them into some freaky shapes. The standard Sting-Ray cantilever frame used to be the weapon of choice, but it has evolved into much more.
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I would certainly call a stock frame, with every single part hand selected based on the owner's choices, a custom bike, no matter what JD thinks.
You must care what I think Barry, otherwise you would not have added your inconsequential two cents. What you describe is customized, plain and simple.
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The same build, on a Seven frame built to the owner's measurements, is also a > custom bike.
A custom frame build makes a whole bike a custom. Without the custom frame, you can only have "customized" at best.
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I would certainly call a stock frame, with every single part hand selected based on the owner's choices, a custom bike, no matter what JD thinks.
You must care what I think Barry, otherwise you would not have added your inconsequential two cents. What you describe is customized, plain and simple.
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The same build, on a Seven frame built to the owner's measurements, is
also a > custom bike.
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A custom frame build makes a whole bike a custom. Without the custom frame, you can only have "customized" at best.
You're only fooling yourself Barry.
JD
the 60's are gone JD. Your the one fooling yourself. Time to cut the grease trap you all hair and get a proper job.
"JD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]... <snip the opinion> | | JD guffaw Heres the real meaning of the word (below). Note the "made to order" meaning, hence any bike "made to order" is a custom. A custom car does not involve rebuilding the entire chassis! hehehehehehe
Simon
cus·tom (kstm) n.A practice followed by people of a particular group or region. A habitual practice of a person: my custom of reading a little before sleep. See Synonyms at habit. Law A common tradition or usage so long established that it has the force or validity of law.
Habitual patronage, as of a store. Habitual customers; patrons. customs Duties or taxes imposed on imported and, less commonly, exported goods. (used with a sing. verb) The governmental agency authorized to collect these duties. (used with a sing. verb) The procedure for inspecting goods and baggage entering a country. Tribute, service, or rent paid by a feudal tenant to a lord. adj. Made to order. Specializing in the making or selling of made-to-order goods: a custom tailor
