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  1. Cure vs. Treatment...

    Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen

    Sunday, September 21st, 2003

    Big pharma is in a death struggle in North America, trying to preserve
    its operation. It has taken years, and billions of dollars of
    investment, to set in place "Treatment," not "Cure", as the health
    modality of North America. There hasn't been a "Cure" for ANYTHING in
    Western Medicine since polio in 1954. Big pharma doesn't want one.
    "Curing" people doesn't make any money. "Treatment" does. Treatment"
    meaning treatment with drugs.

    "Treatment" deals with, and masks, symptoms of a problem. "Cure"
    means finding the cause of the problem and removing it.

    Simply spoken, with this "Treatment" idea forced on us, as the only
    option we have available, we, as Americans are being ripped off, and
    it's time we did something about it. Like get the US Justice
    Department involved, and more.

    Americans are just now waking up to the fact that big pharma, owned by
    foreign corporations, isn't acting in the interest of Americans.
    We've found out that drugs in the United States cost 4-5 times what
    they sell for in foreign countries.

    America also should be alerted to the fact that all those drugs,
    expensive as they are, are NOT the best course of action to deal with
    problems. Is it time we passed some laws, nationwide, that force
    health practitioners dealing with diseases, to FIRST detoxify their
    patients before proceeding with any other modality? Should we pass
    some laws that force Medical Schools to teach the idea of "Cure"
    before "Treatment?"

    Definitely.

    Understanding the Jargon of "Cure."...

    Almost synonymous with "Cure" is "Prevention." Both concepts focus on
    removing the cause of problems, "Cure" coming into play to turn around
    a condition already a problem, and "Prevention" removing the causes of
    potential, or developing, problems. Both concepts share the idea that
    the body heals itself if in good operating condition - so get the body
    into good condition.

    In dealing with disease, for instance, a practitioner using a "cure,"
    in most instances, would first detoxify the body, removing pollutants
    like heavy metals, PCBs, benzene, etc., to give the body's immune
    system less to deal with. A practitioner offering "treatment" would
    offer antibiotics, anti-depressants, etc., and send you to a
    specialist.

    The "Alternative Medicine" movement in North America, and in fact, the
    world, relies on the concept of "cure" and "prevention" almost
    entirely. That's why they're having such success.

    Research Scientist Hulda Regehr Clark's Version of "Cure"...

    Hulda Clark PhD, Naturopath, comes at the "Cure" idea from the
    scientific, not the medical, standpoint. Her training is in cellular
    biology, radio frequencies, and naturopathy. Naturopathy, we know,
    predates allopathic medicine by several hundred, if not several
    thousand years. In fact, we could say that Naturopathy's scientific
    field studies started with the cave men.

    Clark is the most-attacked health advocate on the face of the earth,
    because of her common sense ideas. Big pharma's sleazy "quackbuster"
    operation targets her more than anyone else. the story is at
    (www.savedrclark.net).

    Clark's version of "removing the cause" is probably the most complex
    of all of the modalities around - but even so - it's not all that
    difficult to understand, if you can absorb a little cell biology
    thinking.

    Clark says that to correct the situation by normalizing the body: (1)
    remove all toxins, but especially five specific toxins, (2) get rid of
    certain parasites, (3) kill off certain oncoviruses and their hosts,
    and (4) get rid of certain bacterias and yeasts. (5) and, normalize
    the body's oxidation. It's how she recommends you accomplish these
    five things that gets tricky.

    Clark says that Linus Pauling was the one who began the
    "orthomolecular principle." Pauling guided people into normalizing
    the body with the right molecules. This action begins normalization
    of the cells, and then you must remove the bad things that have
    occurred as a result of the pollutant's presence in the body.

    To (1) remove all toxins, but especially five specific toxins - PCBs,
    Benzene, Asbestos, Azo Dyes, and Certain heavy metals, Clark
    recommends a separate program for each - but EVERY program requires
    zapping along with the remedy. Clark says that the zapping seems to
    empower the white blood cells to do their work.

    In Clark's program PCBs - are removed primarily by "zapping," and with
    the ingestion of ozonated olive oil. Benzene - is removed with
    vitamin B2. Asbestos - is removed by using something called
    levamisole, available over-the-counter in Mexico and in Veterinary
    stores in the US. Azo Dyes - are removed by vitamin B2, and by using
    a new system Clark has invented called "homeography." It is similar
    to "homeopathy" except electronic copies are made. Certain heavy
    metals - like mercury, thallium, tungsten, palladium, aluminum, etc.,
    can be removed in quantity from the body by EDTA chelation, and in
    small amounts in specific locations by "homeography."

    After this process, Clark recommends adding back certain supplements.

    To get rid of parasites - Clark says that when a person has a serious
    disease, like cancer, resistance to parasite growth lowers throughout
    the body. These parasites eat nutrients the body needs to heal
    itself. They've got to go. The body needs all the help it can get.
    Clark recommends using black walnut tincture with cloves and wormwood
    for flukes, CoQ-10 for Tapeworms, levamisole for round worms, coupled
    with a plan to remove the worm's favorite food sources - for example,
    Clark has found that by removing onions, and garlic from the human
    diet during the de-worming process, makes the process work quicker.
    also she recommends the use of digestive enzymes to remove stored
    un-digested food deposits.

    To get rid of oncoviruses and their hosts - Clark recommends herbal
    enemas. The ten viruses she's concerned about congregate in the
    intestine. She's found that by killing these viruses in the
    intestine, total body viral load comes back into numbers that the
    body's weakened immune system can handle.

    To get rid of certain bacteria - Clark has found that the actions to
    get rid parasites and oncoviruses deal with this issue at the same
    time. No further action is needed.

    To normalize the body's oxidation - Clark believes that the body's
    oxidation is dependent on other factors occurring within the body, and
    has found that the action of getting rid of parasites, oncoviruses and
    their hosts, changes the body's action back to normal. She ads the
    use of vitamin C, and Iridium. But even more important is the use of
    CLEAN water during the whole process. Clark recommends the boiling of
    all drinking water to remove chlorine, etc., to "flush out" the body.

    But the most important recommendation of Clark is - that you DO NOT
    re-introduce the original pollutants into the body during the healing
    process. In other words, if you were getting PCBs, benzene, Azo Dyes,
    Asbestos, heavy metals from some specific source - eliminate that
    source from your life... Right now - and forever. It is obvious that
    YOUR body can't handle those substances, so don't re-introduce them.
    It doesn't matter that others can drink from that well with no
    apparent ill effects - YOU can't.

    See what I mean about "Cure" and Prevention?"...

    The two similar concepts point out the pollution in our air and water,
    and the devastating effect it is having on our world. After all,
    PCBs, benzene, Azo Dyes, etc., aren't in our environment naturally.
    Big pharma can't let people like Hulda Regehr Clark point at pollution
    issues, and offer means to remove these problems. Big pharma has to
    pretend the pollution does not exist, because their sister industries
    are the ones MAKING those pollution items and releasing them into
    earth's environment.

    So what we going to have to do?

    We're going to have to get tough...

    (1) We're going to have to shut down big pharma in North America.
    We'll start by pulling the financial rug out from under them by
    passing the "Drug importation bill" through the Senate, and get George
    Bush to sign it into law. That'll eliminate their huge cash flow, and
    put that cash back into our American economy.

    (2) We need to prosecute the "quackbuster " operation. Prison is too
    good for these people.

    (3) We need to pull the funding from any Medical School that teaches
    "treatment."

    (4) We need to take a hard look at our hospitals. We need to remove
    the peer review system and put in severe penalties, including prison
    sentences, for all those errors they make, killing, and maiming
    Americans. There is no excuse, what-so-ever for dirty hospitals where
    someone goes in for a simple operation and dies from an exotic
    infection picked up in the operating room.

    (5) We need to take back control of our FDA and FTC...

    Health care in North America is a mess. The "system" has failed to
    clean up its own act. We need to do it for them, harshly.

    Stay tuned...

    Tim Bolen - Consumer Advocate

  2. Quoted message said:

    Cure vs. Treatment...

    Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen

    Sunday, September 21st, 2003

    Big pharma is in a death struggle in North America, trying to preserve
    its operation. It has taken years, and billions of dollars of
    investment, to set in place "Treatment," not "Cure", as the health
    modality of North America

    Yet more [censored] from Tim "Douche' Forever" Bolen

    How about more good news about vaccination?

    http://www.thisislondon.com/til/jsp/modules/Article/print.jsp?itemId=6819202

    Vaccine 'cure' for cancer
    By Isabel Oakeshott, Evening Standard

    Scientists said today they are on the brink of a major cancer breakthrough with
    a revolutionary vaccine.

    The new technique has produced dramatic results against one of the most vicious
    cancers, that of the pancreas, which has a 95 per cent mortality rate.

    The findings, which raise hope that a cure is within reach, are being unveiled
    at a major international conference in Copenhagen.

    An American team was revealing a new treatment-based on the body's ability to
    fight disease. Patients were given powerful injections of material taken from
    their own cells, designed to assist their immune systems, recognise and attack
    the disease.

    (Go to the website above for the full story)

  3. --

    "Ilsa9" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Cure vs. Treatment...

    Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen

    Sunday, September 21st, 2003

    Big pharma is in a death struggle in North America, trying to preserve
    its operation. It has taken years, and billions of dollars of
    investment, to set in place "Treatment," not "Cure", as the health
    modality of North America

    Yet more [censored] from Tim "Douche' Forever" Bolen

    How about more good news about vaccination?


    http://www.thisislondon.com/til/jsp/modules/Article/print.jsp?itemId=6819202

    Quoted message said:


    Vaccine 'cure' for cancer
    By Isabel Oakeshott, Evening Standard

    Scientists said today they are on the brink of a major cancer breakthrough


    with

    Quoted message said:

    a revolutionary vaccine.

    The new technique has produced dramatic results against one of the most


    vicious

    Quoted message said:

    cancers, that of the pancreas, which has a 95 per cent mortality rate.

    The findings, which raise hope that a cure is within reach, are being


    unveiled

    Quoted message said:

    at a major international conference in Copenhagen.

    An American team was revealing a new treatment-based on the body's ability


    to

    Quoted message said:

    fight disease. Patients were given powerful injections of material taken


    from

    Quoted message said:

    their own cells, designed to assist their immune systems, recognise and


    attack

    Quoted message said:

    the disease.

    (Go to the website above for the full story)

    Ah Ha! Something that REALLY works by strengthening the immune system! But,
    unlike the quack supplement peddlars, its developers can describe the
    precise mechanism by which it does so rather that just making the blanket
    claim.

    -- Rich

  4. "Ilsa9" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Cure vs. Treatment...

    Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen

    Sunday, September 21st, 2003

    Big pharma is in a death struggle in North America, trying to preserve
    its operation. It has taken years, and billions of dollars of
    investment, to set in place "Treatment," not "Cure", as the health
    modality of North America

    Yet more [censored] from Tim "Douche' Forever" Bolen

    How about more good news about vaccination?


    http://www.thisislondon.com/til/jsp/modules/Article/print.jsp?itemId=6819202

    Quoted message said:


    Vaccine 'cure' for cancer
    By Isabel Oakeshott, Evening Standard

    Scientists said today they are on the brink of a major cancer breakthrough


    with

    Quoted message said:

    a revolutionary vaccine.

    The new technique has produced dramatic results against one of the most


    vicious

    Quoted message said:

    cancers, that of the pancreas, which has a 95 per cent mortality rate.

    The findings, which raise hope that a cure is within reach, are being


    unveiled

    Quoted message said:

    at a major international conference in Copenhagen.

    An American team was revealing a new treatment-based on the body's ability


    to

    Quoted message said:

    fight disease. Patients were given powerful injections of material taken


    from

    Quoted message said:

    their own cells, designed to assist their immune systems, recognise and


    attack

    Quoted message said:

    the disease.

    (Go to the website above for the full story)

    Or you can eat some ginseng. The choice is yours.

  5. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Tim Bolen said:

    Cure vs. Treatment...

    Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen

    Tim Bolen calling himself a "consumer advocate" is like David Duke
    calling himself a "black advocate." But I digress.

    Quoted message said:

    Big pharma is in a death struggle in North America, trying to preserve
    its operation. It has taken years, and billions of dollars of
    investment, to set in place "Treatment," not "Cure", as the health
    modality of North America. There hasn't been a "Cure" for ANYTHING in
    Western Medicine since polio in 1954. Big pharma doesn't want one.
    "Curing" people doesn't make any money. "Treatment" does. Treatment"
    meaning treatment with drugs.

    Gee, Bolen, your ignorance is showing, as there have been many
    new vaccines since 1954. Just for starters. We also have
    Accutane, a cure for acne, and of course there are others.

    Quoted message said:

    "Treatment" deals with, and masks, symptoms of a problem. "Cure"
    means finding the cause of the problem and removing it.

    And "quackery," like Hulda's zappers, means doing something that
    is ineffective or even harmful in attempting to address a problem.

    Quoted message said:

    Americans are just now waking up to the fact that big pharma, owned by
    foreign corporations, isn't acting in the interest of Americans.
    We've found out that drugs in the United States cost 4-5 times what
    they sell for in foreign countries.

    Boy, there's a hot flash. Bolen just learned about this?

    Quoted message said:

    America also should be alerted to the fact that all those drugs,
    expensive as they are, are NOT the best course of action to deal with
    problems.

    "All" these drugs? Wow.

    Quoted message said:

    Almost synonymous with "Cure" is "Prevention." Both concepts focus on
    removing the cause of problems, "Cure" coming into play to turn around
    a condition already a problem, and "Prevention" removing the causes of
    potential, or developing, problems. Both concepts share the idea that
    the body heals itself if in good operating condition - so get the body
    into good condition.

    Right -- that's why vaccination works.

    Quoted message said:

    In dealing with disease, for instance, a practitioner using a "cure,"
    in most instances, would first detoxify the body, removing pollutants
    like heavy metals, PCBs, benzene, etc., to give the body's immune
    system less to deal with.

    Actually, a practitioner probably wouldn't do that, mostly becase
    the typical patient doesn't have these problems. (Even if they
    did, removing these items is not always possible.) A quack would
    do this.

    Quoted message said:

    A practitioner offering "treatment" would offer antibiotics,
    anti-depressants, etc., and send you to a specialist.

    Offering antibiotics to someone with a bacterial infection would
    be a good idea.

    Quoted message said:

    The "Alternative Medicine" movement in North America, and in fact, the
    world, relies on the concept of "cure" and "prevention" almost
    entirely. That's why they're having such success.

    I assume he means financial success here.

    Quoted message said:

    Research Scientist Hulda Regehr Clark's Version of "Cure"...

    Hulda Clark PhD, Naturopath, comes at the "Cure" idea from the
    scientific, not the medical, standpoint. Her training is in cellular
    biology, radio frequencies, and naturopathy. Naturopathy, we know,
    predates allopathic medicine by several hundred, if not several
    thousand years. In fact, we could say that Naturopathy's scientific
    field studies started with the cave men.

    Many seemed to have stopped there. And since Hulda's degree is
    mail-order one (in naturopathy), it's hard to think she would
    have learned a lot from it, except maybe how easy it is to get
    a "degree" by mail order.

    Quoted message said:

    Clark is the most-attacked health advocate on the face of the earth,
    because of her common sense ideas.

    She has common sense ideas? You mean like how a device that resembles
    a charcoal grill lighter can cure diseases? You mean like how a liver
    fluke only found in southeast Asia causes all cancers?

    Quoted message said:

    To (1) remove all toxins, but especially five specific toxins - PCBs,
    Benzene, Asbestos, Azo Dyes, and Certain heavy metals, Clark
    recommends a separate program for each - but EVERY program requires
    zapping along with the remedy. Clark says that the zapping seems to
    empower the white blood cells to do their work.

    Since when do white blood cells remove asbestos? Or heavy metals?

    <remaining preposterous description of how to remove "toxins" snipped>

    Quoted message said:

    See what I mean about "Cure" and Prevention?"...

    See what I mean about quackery?

    Quoted message said:

    So what we going to have to do?

    Ignoring paid shills like Bolen is a good start.

    Quoted message said:

    (1) We're going to have to shut down big pharma in North America.
    We'll start by pulling the financial rug out from under them by
    passing the "Drug importation bill" through the Senate, and get George
    Bush to sign it into law. That'll eliminate their huge cash flow, and
    put that cash back into our American economy.

    Yeah, keep buying their products. That'll show 'em!

    Quoted message said:

    (2) We need to prosecute the "quackbuster " operation. Prison is too
    good for these people.

    In that case, I shudder to think of the penalties in store for
    the paid shills.

    Quoted message said:

    Health care in North America is a mess. The "system" has failed to
    clean up its own act. We need to do it for them, harshly.

    What you mean "we," paleface?

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  6. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Dave said:


    "Ilsa9" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    How about more good news about vaccination?


    http://www.thisislondon.com/til/jsp/modules/Article/print.jsp?itemId=6819202

    Quoted message said:


    Vaccine 'cure' for cancer
    By Isabel Oakeshott, Evening Standard

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Scientists said today they are on the brink of a major cancer
    breakthrough with a revolutionary vaccine.

    (Go to the website above for the full story)

    Or you can eat some ginseng. The choice is yours.

    Yeah. If you want to live, try the vaccine; if not, eat the ginseng.
    Oh, sure, you'll die, but at least Spammin' Dave will make a few
    bucks, which is his primary consideration.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  7. If it works I doubt it will strengthen the immune system - more so '[censored] it
    off' a little.
    Anth

    "Rich Shewmaker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    --

    "Ilsa9" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Cure vs. Treatment...

    Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen

    Sunday, September 21st, 2003

    Big pharma is in a death struggle in North America, trying to preserve
    its operation. It has taken years, and billions of dollars of
    investment, to set in place "Treatment," not "Cure", as the health
    modality of North America

    Yet more [censored] from Tim "Douche' Forever" Bolen

    How about more good news about vaccination?



    http://www.thisislondon.com/til/jsp/modules/Article/print.jsp?itemId=6819202

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Vaccine 'cure' for cancer
    By Isabel Oakeshott, Evening Standard

    Scientists said today they are on the brink of a major cancer


    breakthrough

    Quoted message said:

    with

    Quoted message said:

    a revolutionary vaccine.

    The new technique has produced dramatic results against one of the most


    vicious

    Quoted message said:

    cancers, that of the pancreas, which has a 95 per cent mortality rate.

    The findings, which raise hope that a cure is within reach, are being


    unveiled

    Quoted message said:

    at a major international conference in Copenhagen.

    An American team was revealing a new treatment-based on the body's


    ability

    Quoted message said:

    to

    Quoted message said:

    fight disease. Patients were given powerful injections of material taken


    from

    Quoted message said:

    their own cells, designed to assist their immune systems, recognise and


    attack

    Quoted message said:

    the disease.

    (Go to the website above for the full story)

    Ah Ha! Something that REALLY works by strengthening the immune system!


    But,

    Quoted message said:

    unlike the quack supplement peddlars, its developers can describe the
    precise mechanism by which it does so rather that just making the blanket
    claim.

    -- Rich

  8. Looks like the Issels vaccine.
    Anth

    "Ilsa9" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Cure vs. Treatment...

    Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen

    Sunday, September 21st, 2003

    Big pharma is in a death struggle in North America, trying to preserve
    its operation. It has taken years, and billions of dollars of
    investment, to set in place "Treatment," not "Cure", as the health
    modality of North America

    Yet more [censored] from Tim "Douche' Forever" Bolen

    How about more good news about vaccination?


    http://www.thisislondon.com/til/jsp/modules/Article/print.jsp?itemId=6819202

    Quoted message said:


    Vaccine 'cure' for cancer
    By Isabel Oakeshott, Evening Standard

    Scientists said today they are on the brink of a major cancer breakthrough


    with

    Quoted message said:

    a revolutionary vaccine.

    The new technique has produced dramatic results against one of the most


    vicious

    Quoted message said:

    cancers, that of the pancreas, which has a 95 per cent mortality rate.

    The findings, which raise hope that a cure is within reach, are being


    unveiled

    Quoted message said:

    at a major international conference in Copenhagen.

    An American team was revealing a new treatment-based on the body's ability


    to

    Quoted message said:

    fight disease. Patients were given powerful injections of material taken


    from

    Quoted message said:

    their own cells, designed to assist their immune systems, recognise and


    attack

    Quoted message said:

    the disease.

    (Go to the website above for the full story)

  9. Interesting article, looks like what they are doing is what Issels was
    doing.
    http://www.issels.com/fevertherapy.asp
    (Which incidentally is passed as 'quackery' )
    Anth

    "Ilsa9" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

  10. 'If successful, the vaccines could eliminate the need for conventional
    treatments such as chemotherapy and radiotherapy. '

    That settles it for me, it will never be mainstream.
    Anth

    "Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Ilsa9" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Cure vs. Treatment...

    Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen

    Sunday, September 21st, 2003

    Big pharma is in a death struggle in North America, trying to preserve
    its operation. It has taken years, and billions of dollars of
    investment, to set in place "Treatment," not "Cure", as the health
    modality of North America

    Yet more [censored] from Tim "Douche' Forever" Bolen

    How about more good news about vaccination?



    http://www.thisislondon.com/til/jsp/modules/Article/print.jsp?itemId=6819202

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Vaccine 'cure' for cancer
    By Isabel Oakeshott, Evening Standard

    Scientists said today they are on the brink of a major cancer


    breakthrough

    Quoted message said:

    with

    Quoted message said:

    a revolutionary vaccine.

    The new technique has produced dramatic results against one of the most


    vicious

    Quoted message said:

    cancers, that of the pancreas, which has a 95 per cent mortality rate.

    The findings, which raise hope that a cure is within reach, are being


    unveiled

    Quoted message said:

    at a major international conference in Copenhagen.

    An American team was revealing a new treatment-based on the body's


    ability

    Quoted message said:

    to

    Quoted message said:

    fight disease. Patients were given powerful injections of material taken


    from

    Quoted message said:

    their own cells, designed to assist their immune systems, recognise and


    attack

    Quoted message said:

    the disease.

    (Go to the website above for the full story)

    Or you can eat some ginseng. The choice is yours.

  11. "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Tim Bolen said:

    Cure vs. Treatment...

    Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen

    Tim Bolen calling himself a "consumer advocate" is like David Duke
    calling himself a "black advocate." But I digress.

    Quoted message said:

    Big pharma is in a death struggle in North America, trying to preserve
    its operation. It has taken years, and billions of dollars of
    investment, to set in place "Treatment," not "Cure", as the health
    modality of North America. There hasn't been a "Cure" for ANYTHING in
    Western Medicine since polio in 1954. Big pharma doesn't want one.
    "Curing" people doesn't make any money. "Treatment" does. Treatment"
    meaning treatment with drugs.

    Gee, Bolen, your ignorance is showing, as there have been many
    new vaccines since 1954. Just for starters. We also have
    Accutane, a cure for acne, and of course there are others.

    Quoted message said:

    "Treatment" deals with, and masks, symptoms of a problem. "Cure"
    means finding the cause of the problem and removing it.

    And "quackery," like Hulda's zappers, means doing something that
    is ineffective or even harmful in attempting to address a problem.

    Quoted message said:

    Americans are just now waking up to the fact that big pharma, owned by
    foreign corporations, isn't acting in the interest of Americans.
    We've found out that drugs in the United States cost 4-5 times what
    they sell for in foreign countries.

    Boy, there's a hot flash. Bolen just learned about this?

    Quoted message said:

    America also should be alerted to the fact that all those drugs,
    expensive as they are, are NOT the best course of action to deal with
    problems.

    "All" these drugs? Wow. I'm sure he meant "dangerous" drugs.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Almost synonymous with "Cure" is "Prevention." Both concepts focus on
    removing the cause of problems, "Cure" coming into play to turn around
    a condition already a problem, and "Prevention" removing the causes of
    potential, or developing, problems. Both concepts share the idea that
    the body heals itself if in good operating condition - so get the body
    into good condition.

    Right -- that's why vaccination kills people.

    Quoted message said:

    In dealing with disease, for instance, a practitioner using a "cure,"
    in most instances, would first detoxify the body, removing pollutants
    like heavy metals, PCBs, benzene, etc., to give the body's immune
    system less to deal with.

    Actually, a practitioner probably wouldn't do that, because he doesn't


    know how.
    A quack would do this.

    Well you make the "quack" sound more capable than the practitioner. Odd.

    A practitioner offering "treatment" would offer antibiotics,
    anti-depressants, etc., and send you to a specialist.

    I heard a comment on CNN recently that the biggest drug dealers in North
    America aren't
    living in Columbia. They are our own psychiatrists.

    Quoted message said:

    Offering antibiotics to someone with a bacterial infection would
    be a good idea.

    As long as he didn't mind having headaches, nausea, sleeplessness,
    depression or know that
    there are side effect free ways of dealing with it. Ignorance is bliss.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The "Alternative Medicine" movement in North America, and in fact, the
    world, relies on the concept of "cure" and "prevention" almost
    entirely. That's why they're having such success.



    I assume he means financial success here.

    Yes, of course you would. But, once more you would be mistaken because
    people being
    treated by alternative practitioners get rid of diseases and conditions in
    their patients. No traditional physician has had that honor.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Research Scientist Hulda Regehr Clark's Version of "Cure"...

    Hulda Clark PhD, Naturopath, comes at the "Cure" idea from the
    scientific, not the medical, standpoint. Her training is in cellular
    biology, radio frequencies, and naturopathy. Naturopathy, we know,
    predates allopathic medicine by several hundred, if not several
    thousand years. In fact, we could say that Naturopathy's scientific
    field studies started with the cave men.

    Many seemed to have stopped there. And since Hulda's degree is
    mail-order one (in naturopathy), it's hard to think she would
    have learned a lot from it, except maybe how easy it is to get
    a "degree" by mail order.

    Do I detect a note of envy, ehhhhh? LOL

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Clark is the most-attacked health advocate on the face of the earth,
    because of her common sense ideas.

    She has common sense ideas? You mean like how a device that resembles
    a charcoal grill lighter can cure diseases? You mean like how a liver
    fluke only found in southeast Asia causes all cancers?

    Quoted message said:

    To (1) remove all toxins, but especially five specific toxins - PCBs,
    Benzene, Asbestos, Azo Dyes, and Certain heavy metals, Clark
    recommends a separate program for each - but EVERY program requires
    zapping along with the remedy. Clark says that the zapping seems to
    empower the white blood cells to do their work.

    Quoted message said:

    Since when do white blood cells remove asbestos? Or heavy metals?

    Oh, boy, this is worse than I first thought.
    Well if intoxication is a problem in North America, I'd say you suffer from
    it.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    See what I mean about "Cure" and Prevention?"...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    So what we going to have to do?

    Quoted message said:

    Ignoring paid shills like Bolen is a good start.

    Oh, oh there's that ignorance defense, again.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    (1) We're going to have to shut down big pharma in North America.
    We'll start by pulling the financial rug out from under them by
    passing the "Drug importation bill" through the Senate, and get George
    Bush to sign it into law. That'll eliminate their huge cash flow, and
    put that cash back into our American economy.

    Yeah, keep buying their products. That'll show 'em!

    Quoted message said:

    (2) We need to prosecute the "quackbuster " operation. Prison is too
    good for these people.

    In that case, I shudder to think of the penalties in store for
    the paid shills.

    You are repeating him. Intoxication?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Health care in North America is a mess. The "system" has failed to
    clean up its own act. We need to do it for them, harshly.

    What you mean "we," paleface?

    He mean the awake. Intoxication?

  12. "Tim Bolen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Cure vs. Treatment...

    Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen

    Sunday, September 21st, 2003


    .....

    Hey Tim!!!!

    I have heard you are having a conference in Tukwila, WA next week!

    Guess what! Christine Gregoire is recovering from breast cancer surgery. I
    am sure she would LOVE to come to the Rife Conference... Send her a personal
    invitation here:

    Contact Attorney General Christine O. Gregoire
    Address:
    1125 Washington St. SE
    PO Box 40100
    Olympia, WA. 98504-0100
    Telephone: 360-753-6200

    Fax: 360-586-7671

    E-Mail: "[email hidden]"

  13. "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Looks like the Issels vaccine.
    Anth

    I suspect it is a dendritic cell vaccine (since they refer to similar
    vaccines preliminary successes with melanoma). That is nothing like
    Issels. But it also looks very overhyped in this article.

    Peter Moran

  14. http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:tzMQzhZJOGQJ:www.issels.com/fevertherapy.asp+issels+heat+shock+cancer&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
    That's why I said it looks like Issels 'Heat Shock'
    Anth

    "Peter Moran" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Looks like the Issels vaccine.
    Anth

    I suspect it is a dendritic cell vaccine (since they refer to similar
    vaccines preliminary successes with melanoma). That is nothing like
    Issels. But it also looks very overhyped in this article.

    Peter Moran

  15. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Dave said:


    "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Tim Bolen said:

    Cure vs. Treatment...

    Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen

    Tim Bolen calling himself a "consumer advocate" is like David Duke
    calling himself a "black advocate." But I digress.

    Quoted message said:

    America also should be alerted to the fact that all those drugs,
    expensive as they are, are NOT the best course of action to deal with
    problems.

    "All" these drugs? Wow. I'm sure he meant "dangerous" drugs.

    How nice that you think he meant that. I don't think he meant that.
    Or, if he did, it's because he thinks all drugs are dangerous.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    In dealing with disease, for instance, a practitioner using a "cure,"
    in most instances, would first detoxify the body, removing pollutants
    like heavy metals, PCBs, benzene, etc., to give the body's immune
    system less to deal with.

    Actually, a practitioner probably wouldn't do that, because he doesn't
    know how. A quack would do this.

    Well you make the "quack" sound more capable than the practitioner. Odd.

    I should have been clearer -- a quack would *claim* to be doing this.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    A practitioner offering "treatment" would offer antibiotics,
    anti-depressants, etc., and send you to a specialist.

    I heard a comment on CNN recently that the biggest drug dealers in North
    America aren't living in Columbia. They are our own psychiatrists.

    You hear a lot of things on CNN.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Offering antibiotics to someone with a bacterial infection would
    be a good idea.

    As long as he didn't mind having headaches, nausea, sleeplessness,
    depression or know that
    there are side effect free ways of dealing with it. Ignorance is bliss.

    Then you must be one of the happiest people on Usenet.

    I've taken antibiotics and didn't have any of those symptoms.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The "Alternative Medicine" movement in North America, and in fact, the
    world, relies on the concept of "cure" and "prevention" almost
    entirely. That's why they're having such success.



    I assume he means financial success here.

    Yes, of course you would.

    It's the only interpretation that makes any sense. Despite the claims
    of spamming slimebuckets like yourself, alt health is not some font of
    miracle cures.

    Quoted message said:

    But, once more you would be mistaken because people being treated by
    alternative practitioners get rid of diseases and conditions in
    their patients. No traditional physician has had that honor.

    Many physicians do, in fact. If you think otherwise, explain why my
    course of Accutane didn't cure my acne, even though I had acne when I
    started it and haven't had it since.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    In fact, we could say that Naturopathy's scientific
    field studies started with the cave men.

    Many seemed to have stopped there. And since Hulda's degree is
    mail-order one (in naturopathy), it's hard to think she would
    have learned a lot from it, except maybe how easy it is to get
    a "degree" by mail order.

    Do I detect a note of envy, ehhhhh? LOL

    Not hardly -- after all, anyone can get a mail-order degree. What's
    to envy? (If you're going to bring up that she has a PhD, save it; I
    have one too.)

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    To (1) remove all toxins, but especially five specific toxins - PCBs,
    Benzene, Asbestos, Azo Dyes, and Certain heavy metals, Clark
    recommends a separate program for each - but EVERY program requires
    zapping along with the remedy. Clark says that the zapping seems to
    empower the white blood cells to do their work.

    Quoted message said:

    Since when do white blood cells remove asbestos? Or heavy metals?

    Oh, boy, this is worse than I first thought.

    Oh, you believe that [censored]? You're more ignorant than I'd imagined.

    Quoted message said:

    Well if intoxication is a problem in North America, I'd say you
    suffer from it.

    Say whatever you like. Your astounding degree of ignorance about even
    the most basic scientific knowledge is a matter of record.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    So what we going to have to do?

    Quoted message said:

    Ignoring paid shills like Bolen is a good start.

    Oh, oh there's that ignorance defense, again.

    It's a good defense against know-nothings.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    (2) We need to prosecute the "quackbuster " operation. Prison is too
    good for these people.

    In that case, I shudder to think of the penalties in store for
    the paid shills.

    You are repeating him. Intoxication?

    Nope. But he *is* a paid PR shill for Hulda Clark. That's not my
    opinion, it's an established fact. I'm not shilling for anyone. And,
    unlike your scumbag self, I'm not spamming products on m.h.a, you
    miserable clod.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Health care in North America is a mess. The "system" has failed to
    clean up its own act. We need to do it for them, harshly.

    What you mean "we," paleface?

    He mean the awake. Intoxication?

    You're about as awake as a catatonic.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  16. [email hidden] (Tim Bolen) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    What impression do you get from someone(people from medical science )
    who don't even know the categorisation of herbs. By being able to
    understand herbal categoration, help one to understand on why and how
    the recent emergence of 'antibiotic resistant'.
    The other thing is, being able to understand herbal categorisation,
    one is able to differentiate by using the right herbal category (ie.
    to treat an orthodox sickness, you got to use 'orthodox herbs' and
    vice verses in treating unorthodox sicknesses)to treat on its
    respective sickness.
    By using an orthodox herb in its research work on an unorthodox
    sickness ie. aids or hepatitis virus, its definitely chasing after the
    rainbow.

    No wonder, up to now, medical science had flopped badly in finding a
    cure for aids and other not-so deadly virus sicknesses ie. the common
    cold virus.

    Danny Yang

    An Asian Holistic Physician cum Herbalist

    Quoted message said:

    Cure vs. Treatment...

    Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen

    Sunday, September 21st, 2003

    Big pharma is in a death struggle in North America, trying to preserve
    its operation. It has taken years, and billions of dollars of
    investment, to set in place "Treatment," not "Cure", as the health
    modality of North America. There hasn't been a "Cure" for ANYTHING in
    Western Medicine since polio in 1954. Big pharma doesn't want one.
    "Curing" people doesn't make any money. "Treatment" does. Treatment"
    meaning treatment with drugs.

    "Treatment" deals with, and masks, symptoms of a problem. "Cure"
    means finding the cause of the problem and removing it.

    Simply spoken, with this "Treatment" idea forced on us, as the only
    option we have available, we, as Americans are being ripped off, and
    it's time we did something about it. Like get the US Justice
    Department involved, and more.

    Americans are just now waking up to the fact that big pharma, owned by
    foreign corporations, isn't acting in the interest of Americans.
    We've found out that drugs in the United States cost 4-5 times what
    they sell for in foreign countries.

    America also should be alerted to the fact that all those drugs,
    expensive as they are, are NOT the best course of action to deal with
    problems. Is it time we passed some laws, nationwide, that force
    health practitioners dealing with diseases, to FIRST detoxify their
    patients before proceeding with any other modality? Should we pass
    some laws that force Medical Schools to teach the idea of "Cure"
    before "Treatment?"

    Definitely.

    Understanding the Jargon of "Cure."...

    Almost synonymous with "Cure" is "Prevention." Both concepts focus on
    removing the cause of problems, "Cure" coming into play to turn around
    a condition already a problem, and "Prevention" removing the causes of
    potential, or developing, problems. Both concepts share the idea that
    the body heals itself if in good operating condition - so get the body
    into good condition.

    In dealing with disease, for instance, a practitioner using a "cure,"
    in most instances, would first detoxify the body, removing pollutants
    like heavy metals, PCBs, benzene, etc., to give the body's immune
    system less to deal with. A practitioner offering "treatment" would
    offer antibiotics, anti-depressants, etc., and send you to a
    specialist.

    The "Alternative Medicine" movement in North America, and in fact, the
    world, relies on the concept of "cure" and "prevention" almost
    entirely. That's why they're having such success.

    Research Scientist Hulda Regehr Clark's Version of "Cure"...

    Hulda Clark PhD, Naturopath, comes at the "Cure" idea from the
    scientific, not the medical, standpoint. Her training is in cellular
    biology, radio frequencies, and naturopathy. Naturopathy, we know,
    predates allopathic medicine by several hundred, if not several
    thousand years. In fact, we could say that Naturopathy's scientific
    field studies started with the cave men.

    Clark is the most-attacked health advocate on the face of the earth,
    because of her common sense ideas. Big pharma's sleazy "quackbuster"
    operation targets her more than anyone else. the story is at
    (www.savedrclark.net).

    Clark's version of "removing the cause" is probably the most complex
    of all of the modalities around - but even so - it's not all that
    difficult to understand, if you can absorb a little cell biology
    thinking.

    Clark says that to correct the situation by normalizing the body: (1)
    remove all toxins, but especially five specific toxins, (2) get rid of
    certain parasites, (3) kill off certain oncoviruses and their hosts,
    and (4) get rid of certain bacterias and yeasts. (5) and, normalize
    the body's oxidation. It's how she recommends you accomplish these
    five things that gets tricky.

    Clark says that Linus Pauling was the one who began the
    "orthomolecular principle." Pauling guided people into normalizing
    the body with the right molecules. This action begins normalization
    of the cells, and then you must remove the bad things that have
    occurred as a result of the pollutant's presence in the body.

    To (1) remove all toxins, but especially five specific toxins - PCBs,
    Benzene, Asbestos, Azo Dyes, and Certain heavy metals, Clark
    recommends a separate program for each - but EVERY program requires
    zapping along with the remedy. Clark says that the zapping seems to
    empower the white blood cells to do their work.

    In Clark's program PCBs - are removed primarily by "zapping," and with
    the ingestion of ozonated olive oil. Benzene - is removed with
    vitamin B2. Asbestos - is removed by using something called
    levamisole, available over-the-counter in Mexico and in Veterinary
    stores in the US. Azo Dyes - are removed by vitamin B2, and by using
    a new system Clark has invented called "homeography." It is similar
    to "homeopathy" except electronic copies are made. Certain heavy
    metals - like mercury, thallium, tungsten, palladium, aluminum, etc.,
    can be removed in quantity from the body by EDTA chelation, and in
    small amounts in specific locations by "homeography."

    After this process, Clark recommends adding back certain supplements.

    To get rid of parasites - Clark says that when a person has a serious
    disease, like cancer, resistance to parasite growth lowers throughout
    the body. These parasites eat nutrients the body needs to heal
    itself. They've got to go. The body needs all the help it can get.
    Clark recommends using black walnut tincture with cloves and wormwood
    for flukes, CoQ-10 for Tapeworms, levamisole for round worms, coupled
    with a plan to remove the worm's favorite food sources - for example,
    Clark has found that by removing onions, and garlic from the human
    diet during the de-worming process, makes the process work quicker.
    also she recommends the use of digestive enzymes to remove stored
    un-digested food deposits.

    To get rid of oncoviruses and their hosts - Clark recommends herbal
    enemas. The ten viruses she's concerned about congregate in the
    intestine. She's found that by killing these viruses in the
    intestine, total body viral load comes back into numbers that the
    body's weakened immune system can handle.

    To get rid of certain bacteria - Clark has found that the actions to
    get rid parasites and oncoviruses deal with this issue at the same
    time. No further action is needed.

    To normalize the body's oxidation - Clark believes that the body's
    oxidation is dependent on other factors occurring within the body, and
    has found that the action of getting rid of parasites, oncoviruses and
    their hosts, changes the body's action back to normal. She ads the
    use of vitamin C, and Iridium. But even more important is the use of
    CLEAN water during the whole process. Clark recommends the boiling of
    all drinking water to remove chlorine, etc., to "flush out" the body.

    But the most important recommendation of Clark is - that you DO NOT
    re-introduce the original pollutants into the body during the healing
    process. In other words, if you were getting PCBs, benzene, Azo Dyes,
    Asbestos, heavy metals from some specific source - eliminate that
    source from your life... Right now - and forever. It is obvious that
    YOUR body can't handle those substances, so don't re-introduce them.
    It doesn't matter that others can drink from that well with no
    apparent ill effects - YOU can't.

    See what I mean about "Cure" and Prevention?"...

    The two similar concepts point out the pollution in our air and water,
    and the devastating effect it is having on our world. After all,
    PCBs, benzene, Azo Dyes, etc., aren't in our environment naturally.
    Big pharma can't let people like Hulda Regehr Clark point at pollution
    issues, and offer means to remove these problems. Big pharma has to
    pretend the pollution does not exist, because their sister industries
    are the ones MAKING those pollution items and releasing them into
    earth's environment.

    So what we going to have to do?

    We're going to have to get tough...

    (1) We're going to have to shut down big pharma in North America.
    We'll start by pulling the financial rug out from under them by
    passing the "Drug importation bill" through the Senate, and get George
    Bush to sign it into law. That'll eliminate their huge cash flow, and
    put that cash back into our American economy.

    (2) We need to prosecute the "quackbuster " operation. Prison is too
    good for these people.

    (3) We need to pull the funding from any Medical School that teaches
    "treatment."

    (4) We need to take a hard look at our hospitals. We need to remove
    the peer review system and put in severe penalties, including prison
    sentences, for all those errors they make, killing, and maiming
    Americans. There is no excuse, what-so-ever for dirty hospitals where
    someone goes in for a simple operation and dies from an exotic
    infection picked up in the operating room.

    (5) We need to take back control of our FDA and FTC...

    Health care in North America is a mess. The "system" has failed to
    clean up its own act. We need to do it for them, harshly.

    Stay tuned...

    Tim Bolen - Consumer Advocate

  17. "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Dave said:


    "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    Tim Bolen <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >Cure vs. Treatment...
    >
    >Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen

    Tim Bolen calling himself a "consumer advocate" is like David Duke
    calling himself a "black advocate." But I digress.

    >America also should be alerted to the fact that all those drugs,
    >expensive as they are, are NOT the best course of action to deal with
    >problems.

    "All" these drugs? Wow. I'm sure he meant "dangerous" drugs.

    How nice that you think he meant that. I don't think he meant that.
    Or, if he did, it's because he thinks all drugs are dangerous.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >In dealing with disease, for instance, a practitioner using a "cure,"
    >in most instances, would first detoxify the body, removing pollutants
    >like heavy metals, PCBs, benzene, etc., to give the body's immune
    >system less to deal with.

    Actually, a practitioner probably wouldn't do that, because he doesn't
    know how. A quack would do this.

    Well you make the "quack" sound more capable than the practitioner. Odd.

    I should have been clearer -- a quack would *claim* to be doing this.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >A practitioner offering "treatment" would offer antibiotics,
    >anti-depressants, etc., and send you to a specialist.

    I heard a comment on CNN recently that the biggest drug dealers in North
    America aren't living in Columbia. They are our own psychiatrists.

    You hear a lot of things on CNN.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Offering antibiotics to someone with a bacterial infection would
    be a good idea.

    As long as he didn't mind having headaches, nausea, sleeplessness,
    depression or know that
    there are side effect free ways of dealing with it. Ignorance is bliss.

    Then you must be one of the happiest people on Usenet.

    I've taken antibiotics and didn't have any of those symptoms.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >The "Alternative Medicine" movement in North America, and in fact, the
    >world, relies on the concept of "cure" and "prevention" almost
    >entirely. That's why they're having such success.


    I assume he means financial success here.

    Yes, of course you would.

    It's the only interpretation that makes any sense. Despite the claims
    of spamming slimebuckets like yourself, alt health is not some font of
    miracle cures.

    Quoted message said:

    But, once more you would be mistaken because people being treated by
    alternative practitioners get rid of diseases and conditions in
    their patients. No traditional physician has had that honor.

    Many physicians do, in fact. If you think otherwise, explain why my
    course of Accutane didn't cure my acne, even though I had acne when I
    started it and haven't had it since.

    Well, your statement is self explanatory.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >In fact, we could say that Naturopathy's scientific
    >field studies started with the cave men.

    Many seemed to have stopped there. And since Hulda's degree is
    mail-order one (in naturopathy), it's hard to think she would
    have learned a lot from it, except maybe how easy it is to get
    a "degree" by mail order.

    Do I detect a note of envy, ehhhhh? LOL

    Not hardly -- after all, anyone can get a mail-order degree. What's
    to envy? (If you're going to bring up that she has a PhD, save it; I
    have one too.)

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >To (1) remove all toxins, but especially five specific toxins - PCBs,
    >Benzene, Asbestos, Azo Dyes, and Certain heavy metals, Clark
    >recommends a separate program for each - but EVERY program requires
    >zapping along with the remedy. Clark says that the zapping seems to
    >empower the white blood cells to do their work.

    Quoted message said:

    Since when do white blood cells remove asbestos? Or heavy metals?

    Oh, boy, this is worse than I first thought.

    Oh, you believe that [censored]? You're more ignorant than I'd imagined.

    Quoted message said:

    Well if intoxication is a problem in North America, I'd say you
    suffer from it.

    Say whatever you like. Your astounding degree of ignorance about even
    the most basic scientific knowledge is a matter of record.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >So what we going to have to do?

    Quoted message said:

    Ignoring paid shills like Bolen is a good start.

    Oh, oh there's that ignorance defense, again.

    It's a good defense against know-nothings.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >(2) We need to prosecute the "quackbuster " operation. Prison is too
    >good for these people.

    In that case, I shudder to think of the penalties in store for
    the paid shills.

    You are repeating him. Intoxication?

    Nope. But he *is* a paid PR shill for Hulda Clark. That's not my
    opinion, it's an established fact. I'm not shilling for anyone. And,
    unlike your scumbag self, I'm not spamming products on m.h.a, you
    miserable clod.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >Health care in North America is a mess. The "system" has failed to
    >clean up its own act. We need to do it for them, harshly.

    What you mean "we," paleface?

    He mean the awake. Intoxication?

    You're about as awake as a catatonic.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  18. "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Dave said:


    "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    Tim Bolen <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >Cure vs. Treatment...
    >
    >Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen

    Tim Bolen calling himself a "consumer advocate" is like David Duke
    calling himself a "black advocate." But I digress.

    >America also should be alerted to the fact that all those drugs,
    >expensive as they are, are NOT the best course of action to deal with
    >problems.

    "All" these drugs? Wow. I'm sure he meant "dangerous" drugs.

    How nice that you think he meant that. I don't think he meant that.
    Or, if he did, it's because he thinks all drugs are dangerous.

    Quoted message said:
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    >In dealing with disease, for instance, a practitioner using a "cure,"
    >in most instances, would first detoxify the body, removing pollutants
    >like heavy metals, PCBs, benzene, etc., to give the body's immune
    >system less to deal with.

    Actually, a practitioner probably wouldn't do that, because he doesn't
    know how. A quack would do this.

    Well you make the "quack" sound more capable than the practitioner. Odd.

    I should have been clearer -- a quack would *claim* to be doing this.

    Quoted message said:
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    >A practitioner offering "treatment" would offer antibiotics,
    >anti-depressants, etc., and send you to a specialist.

    I heard a comment on CNN recently that the biggest drug dealers in North
    America aren't living in Columbia. They are our own psychiatrists.

    You hear a lot of things on CNN.

    Quoted message said:
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    Offering antibiotics to someone with a bacterial infection would
    be a good idea.

    As long as he didn't mind having headaches, nausea, sleeplessness,
    depression or know that
    there are side effect free ways of dealing with it. Ignorance is bliss.

    Then you must be one of the happiest people on Usenet.

    I've taken antibiotics and didn't have any of those symptoms.

    Quoted message said:
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    >The "Alternative Medicine" movement in North America, and in fact, the
    >world, relies on the concept of "cure" and "prevention" almost
    >entirely. That's why they're having such success.


    I assume he means financial success here.

    Yes, of course you would.

    It's the only interpretation that makes any sense. Despite the claims
    of spamming slimebuckets like yourself, alt health is not some font of
    miracle cures.

    Quoted message said:

    But, once more you would be mistaken because people being treated by
    alternative practitioners get rid of diseases and conditions in
    their patients. No traditional physician has had that honor.

    Many physicians do, in fact. If you think otherwise, explain why my
    course of Accutane didn't cure my acne, even though I had acne when I
    started it and haven't had it since.

    Quoted message said:
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    >In fact, we could say that Naturopathy's scientific
    >field studies started with the cave men.

    Many seemed to have stopped there. And since Hulda's degree is
    mail-order one (in naturopathy), it's hard to think she would
    have learned a lot from it, except maybe how easy it is to get
    a "degree" by mail order.

    Do I detect a note of envy, ehhhhh? LOL

    Not hardly -- after all, anyone can get a mail-order degree. What's
    to envy? (If you're going to bring up that she has a PhD, save it; I
    have one too.)

    Quoted message said:
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    >To (1) remove all toxins, but especially five specific toxins - PCBs,
    >Benzene, Asbestos, Azo Dyes, and Certain heavy metals, Clark
    >recommends a separate program for each - but EVERY program requires
    >zapping along with the remedy. Clark says that the zapping seems to
    >empower the white blood cells to do their work.

    Quoted message said:

    Since when do white blood cells remove asbestos? Or heavy metals?

    Oh, boy, this is worse than I first thought.

    Oh, you believe that [censored]? You're more ignorant than I'd imagined.

    Quoted message said:

    Well if intoxication is a problem in North America, I'd say you
    suffer from it.

    Say whatever you like. Your astounding degree of ignorance about even
    the most basic scientific knowledge is a matter of record.

    Quoted message said:
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    >So what we going to have to do?

    Quoted message said:

    Ignoring paid shills like Bolen is a good start.

    Oh, oh there's that ignorance defense, again.

    It's a good defense against know-nothings.

    Quoted message said:
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    >(2) We need to prosecute the "quackbuster " operation. Prison is too
    >good for these people.

    In that case, I shudder to think of the penalties in store for
    the paid shills.

    You are repeating him. Intoxication?

    Nope. But he *is* a paid PR shill for Hulda Clark. That's not my
    opinion, it's an established fact. I'm not shilling for anyone. And,
    unlike your scumbag self, I'm not spamming products on m.h.a, you
    miserable clod.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >Health care in North America is a mess. The "system" has failed to
    >clean up its own act. We need to do it for them, harshly.

    What you mean "we," paleface?

    He mean the awake. Intoxication?

    You're about as awake as a catatonic.

    It seems to me that your PhD would probably be in something like,
    namecalling? Am I
    correct? The one thing that I do believe is that you wouldn't be paid to do
    what I've seen
    seen you do.

  19. Quoted message said:

    Interesting article, looks like what they are doing is what Issels was
    doing.

    It only looks that way to a completely uneducated reader.

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.issels.com/fevertherapy.asp
    (Which incidentally is passed as 'quackery' )
    Anth

    And well deservedly...

    Quoted message said:


    "Ilsa9" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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  20. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Dave said:


    "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Dave said:

    But, once more you would be mistaken because people being treated by
    alternative practitioners get rid of diseases and conditions in
    their patients. No traditional physician has had that honor.

    Many physicians do, in fact. If you think otherwise, explain why my
    course of Accutane didn't cure my acne, even though I had acne when I
    started it and haven't had it since.

    Well, your statement is self explanatory.

    Yes, it explains why you were wrong.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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