CTC website still unavailable

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Ian Teelan said:

Hi folks,

As mentioned before the CTC website seems to be still down (as at 00.10 hours on 4/4/03). Does
anyone know what is going on with them ? I hate to think of all the lost opportunities that this
IT fiasco is causing. Anyone seeking to find out about cycling through Britain's leading cycling
organisation website is going to be far from impressed. Also think of the lost sales....

Far from impressed,

Ian T

I am a CTC member and strongly complained to CTC yesterday and received the following reply this am;

CTC's website is currently unavailable due to a delay in the IP re-direction. The re-direct request
was made five days before the old website was terminated and should have been completed within 48
hours. Unfortunately owing to circumstances beyond CTC's control this transfer was not enacted.
Action has been taken to remedy and the problems that this has caused will be raised with the
company concerned by CTC and our technical agency. Owing to our contract having terminated with the
existing web company we are in no position to have an alternative message placed on the holding page
that now appears.

I am sure you can appreciate that this is extremely frustrating not only to members but also to the
team that have worked on the new site. If I can be of any further help please do not hesitate to
contact me via the details below.

Regards

Helen Aspell Commercial Officer - Marketing 69 Meadrow, Godalming, Surrey, GU7 3HS
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A suggestion: I'm sure that Helen could have told you the actual URL (not the alias) of the new site
which we could post here as a temporary measure.

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CTC's website is currently unavailable due to a delay in the IP re-direction. The re-direct
request was made five days before the old website was terminated and should have been completed
within 48 hours. Unfortunately owing to circumstances beyond CTC's control this transfer was not
enacted. Action has been taken to remedy and the problems that this has caused will be raised with
the company concerned by CTC and our technical agency. Owing to our contract having terminated
with the existing web company we are in no position to have an alternative message placed on the
holding page that now appears.

I am sure you can appreciate that this is extremely frustrating not only to members but also to
the team that have worked on the new site. If I can be of any further help please do not hesitate
to contact me via the details below.

Regards

Helen Aspell Commercial Officer - Marketing 69 Meadrow, Godalming, Surrey, GU7 3HS
e. [email hidden]

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In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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A suggestion: I'm sure that Helen could have told you the actual URL (not the alias) of the new
site which we could post here as a temporary measure.

I doubt they would want that to become publicly used. If they released it here "just for the time
being" then it would no doubt creep onto links pages and the like and cause more problems in the
future if they moved host.

Colin

True. It's a question of them deciding which is worse- being inaccessible now, or being accessible
through more than one URL at a later date?

Peter

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In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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A suggestion: I'm sure that Helen could have told you the actual URL

(not

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the alias) of the new site which we could post here as a temporary

measure.

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I doubt they would want that to become publicly used. If they released it here "just for the time
being" then it would no doubt creep onto links pages and the like and cause more problems in the
future if they moved host.

Colin

"Ian Teelan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Hi folks,

As mentioned before the CTC website seems to be still down (as at 00.10 hours on 4/4/03). Does
anyone know what is going on with them ? I hate to think of all the lost opportunities that this
IT fiasco is causing. Anyone seeking to find out about cycling through Britain's leading cycling
organisation website is going to be far from impressed. Also think of the lost sales....

Far from impressed,

Ian T

And a month later it's no better. The reasons are looking more like excuses and the excuses are
wearing thin.

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"Ian Teelan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Hi folks,

As mentioned before the CTC website seems to be still down (as at 00.10 hours on 4/4/03). Does
anyone know what is going on with them ? I hate to think of all the lost opportunities that this
IT fiasco is causing. Anyone seeking to find out about cycling through Britain's leading cycling
organisation website is going to be far from impressed. Also think of the lost sales....

Far from impressed,

Ian T

And a month later it's no better. The reasons are looking more like excuses and the excuses are
wearing thin.

It is up and running and has been for the best part of a month. However, its only a shell, there is
little or no information on it and the drop down menus on the front page don't work, which makes
getting anywhere on the site a little tricky. I've e-mailed the CTC a week ago about this, following
my earlier representations, but I have had no reply. Perhaps all members should seriously consider
witholding part of their membership fee for a service that is advertised but not provided.

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It is up and running and has been for the best part of a month. However, its only a shell, there
is little or no information on it and the drop down menus on the front page don't work, which
makes getting anywhere on the site a little tricky. I've e-mailed the CTC a week ago about this,
following my earlier representations, but I have had no reply. Perhaps all members should
seriously consider witholding part of their membership fee for a service that is advertised but
not provided.

I've used it a couple of times over the past couple of days and it worked for me, drop down
menus and all.

Tony

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Tony Raven said:

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I've e-mailed the CTC a week ago about this, following my earlier representations, but I have had
no reply.

I've used it a couple of times over the past couple of days and it worked for me, drop down menus
and all.

Maybe so, but I know that several people (including me) have had no response to recdent emails that
should have been answered. Of course, that may not be a technical problem.

James

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Maybe so, but I know that several people (including me) have had no response to recdent emails
that should have been answered. Of course, that may not be a technical problem.

I e-mailed them Wednesday had two responses Thursday and a follow up Friday, all extremely helpful.

Tony

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Tony Raven said:

I e-mailed them Wednesday had two responses Thursday and a follow up Friday, all extremely
helpful.

Thanks for that, I will try again when I have found my round tuit.

James

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Tony Raven said:

I e-mailed them Wednesday had two responses Thursday and a follow up

Friday,

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all extremely helpful.

Thanks for that, I will try again when I have found my round tuit. James

I've emailed several times concerning the incorrect information that they are giving about my local
DA and Section - no responses, no update. Wouldn't mind so much (obviously you can't expect every
thing to work first go) but have already been through the arduous process of getting it all
corrected and sorted out on the previous incarnation of the site :-(

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Thanks for that, I will try again when I have found my round tuit.

Too late, I got it first ;-)

Tony

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"Tony Raven" wrote ...

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its only a shell, there is little or no information on it and the drop down menus on the front
page don't work, which makes getting anywhere on the site a little tricky.

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I've used it a couple of times over the past couple of days and it worked for me, drop down menus
and all.

Well, bits of it do. Not much happening on these pages:
* the Message Board
* FAQs
* The members' login rewards me with: "You have successfully logged in! "Soon, you will be able to
use this "facility to view and change your "details. You will also be able to " "access the
member-only areas of the site.

When is soon? I don't mind the site being unfinished; I feel irritated when, day after day, there is
no indication of progress.

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In "]news:[email hidden], James Annan <[email hidden]> typed:

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Thanks for that, I will try again when I have found my round tuit.

Too late, I got it first ;-)

And in fact the CTC have just found theirs and replied to me (although since the reply seems to have
been to a previous message, perhaps the latest one was lost).

Anyway. publishing time scales being what they are, it seems that CTC members will be warned of the
dangers of disk brakes and QR wheels in August. I hope not too many more learn a harsh lesson in
the meantime.

James

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"Tony Raven" wrote ...

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Quoted message said:

its only a shell, there is little or no information on it and the drop down menus on the front
page don't work, which makes getting anywhere on the site a little tricky.

Quoted message said:

I've used it a couple of times over the past couple of days and it worked for me, drop down menus
and all.

Well, bits of it do. Not much happening on these pages:
* the Message Board
* FAQs
* The members' login rewards me with: "You have successfully logged in! "Soon, you will be able to
use this "facility to view and change your "details. You will also be able to " "access the
member-only areas of the site.

When is soon? I don't mind the site being unfinished; I feel irritated when, day after day, there
is no indication of progress.

The CTC web-site and its current 'updating' is plain rubbish. Web-sites haven't been rocket science
for a fair few years now, you can develop new sites off-line so you dont have to remove something
that at least worked mostly.

Web-sites are fairly high profile fronts for organisations, and if the site (and the manner in which
its updated) is going to be as poor as this the CTC may as well not bother, save some cash, reduce
the membership fee and not tarnish their image by looking like a bunch of amateurs.

As for the site, theres no information, its not updated, you get no response and whats worse is the
old site was better. For about a week the domain name did not work at all.

Compare and contrast with Sustrans...

Regards

John Openshaw

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John Openshaw wrote ...

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> its only a shell, there is little or no information on it and the drop down menus on the
> front page don't work, which makes getting anywhere on the site a little tricky.

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The CTC web-site and its current 'updating' is plain rubbish. Web-sites haven't been rocket
science for a fair few years now, you can develop new sites off-line so you don't have to remove
something that at least worked mostly.

Web-sites are fairly high profile fronts for organisations, and if the site (and the manner in
which its updated) is going to be as poor as this the CTC may as well not bother

This is part of an e-mail mesage I received from the CTC earlier today:

"Dear Sir/Madam,

"Thank you for you web application. Unfortunately "due to no fault of your own we have been "unable
to process your application due to a "database problem. I am extremely sorry for any "inconvenience
that this may cause to you.

"Please can I reassure you that your application "hasn't gone unnoticed or been forgotten about "and
we are in the process of rectifying "this problem as soon as possible.