Crunch: what now?

"PhilD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Yesterday, my wife and I were out enjoying the evening sunshine, riding
our tandem. We reached a point where the road narrows, at which point
someone tried to overtake and cut in far, far too soon. As a result we
hit the car, causing some bruising and grazing to my hands and twisting
of the handlebars on the tandem.

The car stopped and the two occupants were very good about the whole
incident (I was half expecting them to have a go at us for daring to be
on the road, or whatever, but they were very apologetic and more
concerned about us than any scrape on their car). I loostened the
handlebars, repositioned them and tightened the bolt; there was no
other *visible* damage.

In the heat of the moment, we forgot to ask the other people for their
insurance details, but I did note their number plate.

So, mindful that there *may* be further damage, how do I find the
driver's insurers? I figure that there must be some system, or there
wouldn't be any point in making insurance mandatory.

The DVLA will supply the registered keepers details for a fee of £2.50.

"PhilD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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The rest of the ride passed without incident. About 7 miles into the
13 mile ride, my wife said we were supposed to be trying to beat out
all time fastest average speed. Well, we did it. I wonder what we
could have achieved if I was "racing" to start with. I thought we were
going out for a pootle!

Typical, while your admiring the countryside your stoker is doing all the
work!!!

Sorry to hear about the accident.

PhilD wrote on 04/08/2006 08:56 +0100:

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In the heat of the moment, we forgot to ask the other people for their
insurance details, but I did note their number plate.

So, mindful that there *may* be further damage, how do I find the
driver's insurers? I figure that there must be some system, or there
wouldn't be any point in making insurance mandatory.

Pop down to the local police station and register the accident but as
not seeking prosecution. Based on my experience they will help identify
the driver and his insurance company and the contemporaneous statement
was very useful when the driver later changed their story and tried to
claim I had cycled into her (and in getting a witness statement from a
witness who didn't respond to my letters). Without the police report I
doubt I would have won my subsequent claim.

--
Tony

"Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to authority is not using
his intelligence; he is just using his memory."
- Leonardo da Vinci

Adrian Boliston said the following on 04/08/2006 09:57:

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The DVLA will supply the registered keepers details for a fee of £2.50.

Will they? That might be handy to know. I always thought they would
only supply details to relevant authorities (if you include insurance
companies in that). FoI Act, I guess?

--
Paul Boyd
http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

PhilD wrote:
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So, mindful that there *may* be further damage, how do I find the
driver's insurers? I figure that there must be some system, or there
wouldn't be any point in making insurance mandatory.

A solicitor will find the details if the DVLA don't help you directly.

~PB

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i dont think dvla will give out details to a 3rd party, fee or no fee- any
stalker could get details!

"mikey D" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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x-no-archive: yes

i dont think dvla will give out details to a 3rd party, fee or no fee- any
stalker could get details!

http://www.dvla.gov.uk/forms/pdf/v888.pdf

mikey D said:

x-no-archive: yes

i dont think dvla will give out details to a 3rd party, fee or no fee- any
stalker could get details!

They will at the moment if someone has "reasonable cause" to seek the
info. The most common reason is to track down someone parking on your
land. However, there was a consultation recently and a ministerial
announcement that this will change. Basically, accreddited bodies only.

I kept meaning to tell the CTC to respond to the consultation but
forgot🙁

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announcement that this will change. Basically, accreddited bodies only.

I kept meaning to tell the CTC to respond to the consultation but
forgot🙁

I suppose the ctc is an accredited body, perhaps they would do it for a
fee.
TerryJ

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PhilD said:

Yesterday, my wife and I were out enjoying the evening sunshine, riding
our tandem. We reached a point where the road narrows, at which point
someone tried to overtake and cut in far, far too soon. As a result we
hit the car, causing some bruising and grazing to my hands and twisting
of the handlebars on the tandem.

The car stopped and the two occupants were very good about the whole
incident (I was half expecting them to have a go at us for daring to be
on the road, or whatever, but they were very apologetic and more
concerned about us than any scrape on their car). I loostened the
handlebars, repositioned them and tightened the bolt; there was no
other *visible* damage.

In the heat of the moment, we forgot to ask the other people for their
insurance details, but I did note their number plate.

So, mindful that there *may* be further damage, how do I find the
driver's insurers? I figure that there must be some system, or there
wouldn't be any point in making insurance mandatory.

I'm pretty sure that you're required to notify the police of any RTA
that results in personal injury to a third party, and if the car driver
left without giving at least his name and address, and preferably
insurance details, then he's guilty of leaving the scene of an accident.

PhilD said:

Yesterday, my wife and I were out enjoying the evening sunshine, riding
our tandem. We reached a point where the road narrows, at which point
someone tried to overtake and cut in far, far too soon. As a result we
hit the car, causing some bruising and grazing to my hands and twisting
of the handlebars on the tandem.

Since damage was caused (no matter that you repaired said damage
sufficient to make safe progress at the scene) the driver is legally
required to stop (which they did) and provide both own and vehicle
owner's name and address. Having not done so, they are required to
present these details to a police station as soon as reasonably
practicable (there's case law to say going home, having a cuppa and
then presenting is not good enough).

Since someone was injured, and an insurance certificate was not
produced, the driver is legally required report the accident to a
police station as soon as possible (note - you don't even get
reasonably practicable here - it's as soon as it is possible for you
to do so).

You could go to a police station, and ask for the information. The
driver may even have complied with the law....

regards, Ian SMith
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Ian Smith <[email hidden]> wrote:
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Having not done so, they are required to
present these details to a police station as soon as reasonably
practicable (there's case law to say going home, having a cuppa and
then presenting is not good enough).

I thought that was only allowed if there wasn't anyway appropriate to
notify at the scene.

Rob Morley said:

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Ian Smith <[email hidden]> wrote:
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Quoted message said:

Having not done so, they are required to
present these details to a police station as soon as reasonably
practicable (there's case law to say going home, having a cuppa and
then presenting is not good enough).

I thought that was only allowed if there wasn't anyway appropriate to
notify at the scene.

I'm not sure what is 'allowed', but the fact remains that, allowed or
not, having not provided the information at the scene, they are
required to present the details to a police station.

I'm not sure of the relevance of your comment. Are you disagreeing
with something I said?

regards, Ian SMith
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Ian Smith said:

Rob Morley said:

In article <[email hidden]>
Ian Smith <[email hidden]> wrote:
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Quoted message said:

Having not done so, they are required to
present these details to a police station as soon as reasonably
practicable (there's case law to say going home, having a cuppa and
then presenting is not good enough).

I thought that was only allowed if there wasn't anyway appropriate to
notify at the scene.

I'm not sure what is 'allowed', but the fact remains that, allowed or
not, having not provided the information at the scene, they are
required to present the details to a police station.

I'm not sure of the relevance of your comment. Are you disagreeing
with something I said?

Probably not - I've had a long day.

Rob Morley said:

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PhilD said:

Yesterday, my wife and I were out enjoying the evening sunshine, riding
our tandem. We reached a point where the road narrows, at which point
someone tried to overtake and cut in far, far too soon. As a result we
hit the car, causing some bruising and grazing to my hands and twisting
of the handlebars on the tandem.

The car stopped and the two occupants were very good about the whole
incident (I was half expecting them to have a go at us for daring to be
on the road, or whatever, but they were very apologetic and more
concerned about us than any scrape on their car). I loostened the
handlebars, repositioned them and tightened the bolt; there was no
other *visible* damage.

In the heat of the moment, we forgot to ask the other people for their
insurance details, but I did note their number plate.

So, mindful that there *may* be further damage, how do I find the
driver's insurers? I figure that there must be some system, or there
wouldn't be any point in making insurance mandatory.

I'm pretty sure that you're required to notify the police of any RTA
that results in personal injury to a third party, and if the car driver
left without giving at least his name and address, and preferably
insurance details, then he's guilty of leaving the scene of an accident.

No I don't think that's 100% true. The OP indicated that the driver (or
occupants at least) did stop to attend, so has fullfilled his side of
not leaving the scene of accident. I assume that all parties left only
after checking that everything was OK, and that all apparent damage was
relatively minor.

Regarding details from DVLA, I thought these were only given to
'authorised' parties, but the definition of 'authorised' was rather
weak. Due to abuse by private parking attendants, I thought this was
being reveiwed.

Certainly if there is injury that needs attention, then contact local
plod to report accident. They'll probably be able to advise on the
course of action.

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AndyM

Andy M said:

Rob Morley said:

I'm pretty sure that you're required to notify the police of any RTA
that results in personal injury to a third party, and if the car driver
left without giving at least his name and address, and preferably
insurance details, then he's guilty of leaving the scene of an accident.

No I don't think that's 100% true. The OP indicated that the driver (or
occupants at least) did stop to attend, so has fullfilled his side of
not leaving the scene of accident.

The requirement is to stop AND provide details. Merely stopping is
not sufficient. It's quite clearly set out in the highway code.

The statement was not 100% correct, but not in the way you said - in
teh event of an injury becing casued, if the driver provides their own
name and address, AND teh name and address of teh vehicle owner AND
produces teh insurance certificate, then they need not report to teh
police. In any other case, they do.

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I assume that all parties left only
after checking that everything was OK, and that all apparent damage was
relatively minor.

There's nothing in the highway code about "relatively minor" letting
you off teh hook.

Injury to others, or damage to vehicle or property, you MUST provide
name and address of both driver and owner, or report to police as soon
as practical.

Injury to others you must produce insurance certificate at teh scene
or report to police as soon as possible.

regards, Ian SMith
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Ian Smith said:

Andy M said:

Rob Morley said:

I'm pretty sure that you're required to notify the police of any RTA
that results in personal injury to a third party, and if the car driver
left without giving at least his name and address, and preferably
insurance details, then he's guilty of leaving the scene of an accident.

No I don't think that's 100% true. The OP indicated that the driver (or
occupants at least) did stop to attend, so has fullfilled his side of
not leaving the scene of accident.

The requirement is to stop AND provide details. Merely stopping is
not sufficient. It's quite clearly set out in the highway code.

The statement was not 100% correct, but not in the way you said - in
teh event of an injury becing casued, if the driver provides their own
name and address, AND teh name and address of teh vehicle owner AND
produces teh insurance certificate, then they need not report to teh
police. In any other case, they do.

Quoted message said:

I assume that all parties left only
after checking that everything was OK, and that all apparent damage was
relatively minor.

There's nothing in the highway code about "relatively minor" letting
you off teh hook.

Injury to others, or damage to vehicle or property, you MUST provide
name and address of both driver and owner, or report to police as soon
as practical.

Injury to others you must produce insurance certificate at teh scene
or report to police as soon as possible.

Thanks for clarifying.