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  1. On 07/08/2004 10:55 AM, in article [email hidden],

    Alex Rodriguez said:

    In article <kq3Hc.12004$eO.11345@edtnps89>, [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    My wife just picked up Runner's World (hmmm... who publishes that?) and
    there was an article on Kristin's marathon, run the December before their
    divorce? Why'd they do the big D anyway?

    Something about Lance and a podium girl?

    It was Georgie with the podium girl.

    Lance and Kik's split was related to a) many, many changes due to cancer and
    fame over the past five years, plus b) Kik's devout Catholicism vs. Lance's
    atheism.

    --
    Steven L. Sheffield
    stevens at veloworks dot com
    veloworks at worldnet dot ay tea tee dot net
    bellum pax est libertas servitus est ignoratio vis est
    ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee sea aye tee why you ti ay aitch
    aitch tee tea pea colon [for word] slash [four ward] slash double-you
    double-yew double-ewe dot veloworks dot com [four word] slash

  2. Steven L. Sheffield said:


    It was Georgie with the podium girl.

    Lance and Kik's split was related to a) many, many changes due to cancer and
    fame over the past five years, plus b) Kik's devout Catholicism vs. Lance's
    atheism.

    I was thinking that (re b). Kristin makes a specific reference to the
    grace of God in her article in Runner's World, and from his book anyway
    Lance is pretty much on record re institutionalized religion or
    whatever. I was thinking it would take a devout Catholic stronger
    grounds than that though, kind of like Bob Hope's wife refusing to grant
    him a divorce despite his own indiscretions.

  3. Jim Flom said:
    Steven L. Sheffield said:


    It was Georgie with the podium girl.

    Lance and Kik's split was related to a) many, many changes due to cancer and
    fame over the past five years, plus b) Kik's devout Catholicism vs. Lance's
    atheism.

    I was thinking that (re b). Kristin makes a specific reference to the
    grace of God in her article in Runner's World, and from his book anyway
    Lance is pretty much on record re institutionalized religion or
    whatever. I was thinking it would take a devout Catholic stronger
    grounds than that though, kind of like Bob Hope's wife refusing to grant
    him a divorce despite his own indiscretions.

    How about a recognition that with regards to children, divorced parents who
    can get along are better than married parents who hate each other ... And
    lots and lots of money in the settlement?

    --
    Steven L. Sheffield
    stevens at veloworks dot com
    veloworks at worldnet dot ay tea tee dot net
    bellum pax est libertas servitus est ignoratio vis est
    ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee sea aye tee why you ti ay aitch
    aitch tee tea pea colon [for word] slash [four ward] slash double-you
    double-yew double-ewe dot veloworks dot com [four word] slash

  4. "Steven L. Sheffield" wrote in...

    Quoted message said:


    How about a recognition that with regards to children, divorced parents


    who

    Quoted message said:

    can get along are better than married parents who hate each other ... And
    lots and lots of money in the settlement?

    I was really just curious why Lance and Kik divorced. However,
    characterizing it as you do, who can disagree, although I don't follow how a
    couple automatically goes from "hating" one another in marriage to suddenly
    "getting along" afterwards. It's usually much uglier and more complicated
    than that. And the kids are always the victims. There has amassed over the
    last 30 years or so substantial amounts of sociological evidence that even
    the general media has reported indicating that kids are better off in intact
    families even with less than ideal marriages than the serial
    marriage/divorce-at-a-whim, pattern of a generation of self-absorbed,
    me-first, kids-as-accessories narcissists.

    http://listarchives.his.com/smartmarriages/smartmarriages.0110/msg00002.html

    http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=BC04D02

    See also
    1. Pamela J. Smock, "The Economic Costs of Marital Disruption for Young
    Women over the Past Two Decades." Demography 30 (1993): 353-371.
    2. John Crouch, "Virginia's No-Fault Divorce Reform Bill," interview with
    John Crouch and Jim Parmelee on Television Channel 10, Fairfax, VA,
    www.divorcereform.org.
    3. Robert Coombs, "Marital Status and Personal Well-Being: A Literature
    Review," Family Relations 40 (1991):97-102; I. M. Joung, et al.,
    "Differences in Self-Reported Morbidity by Marital Status and by Living
    Arrangement," International Journal of Epidemiology 23 (1994): 91-97.
    4. Linda Waite and Maggie Gallagher, The Case for Marriage (New York:
    Doubleday, 2000), p. 148.
    5. Harold J. Morowitz, "Hiding in the Hammond Report," Hospital Practice
    (August 1975), p. 39.
    6. James S. Goodwin, William C. Hunt, Charles R. Key and Jonathan M. Sarmet,
    "The Effect of Marital Status on Stage, Treatment, and Survival of Cancer
    Patients," Journal of the American Medical Association 258 (1987):
    3125-3130.
    7. Nadine F. Marks and James D. Lambert, "Marital Status Continuity and
    Change among Young and Midlife Adults: Longitudinal Effects on Psychological
    Well-being," Journal of Family Issues 19 (1998): 652-686.

    J "don't get me started" F

  5. Jim Flom said:

    "Steven L. Sheffield" wrote in...

    Quoted message said:


    How about a recognition that with regards to children, divorced parents


    who

    Quoted message said:

    can get along are better than married parents who hate each other ... And
    lots and lots of money in the settlement?

    I was really just curious why Lance and Kik divorced. However,
    characterizing it as you do, who can disagree, although I don't follow how a
    couple automatically goes from "hating" one another in marriage to suddenly
    "getting along" afterwards. It's usually much uglier and more complicated
    than that. And the kids are always the victims. There has amassed over the
    last 30 years or so substantial amounts of sociological evidence that even
    the general media has reported indicating that kids are better off in intact
    families even with less than ideal marriages than the serial
    marriage/divorce-at-a-whim, pattern of a generation of self-absorbed,
    me-first, kids-as-accessories narcissists.

    I don't disagree with you in the slightest ... But let me give you some
    insight to where I'm coming from.

    My parents split up when I was 3 years old; my mom re-married when I was 5
    and was divorced again when I was 7, although she and her second ex-husband
    continued dating off-and-on for a number of years afterwards until my mom
    met the man destined to be her third husband, but they still get along today
    ....

    Her third marriage (when I was almost 13) has lasted over 25 years however
    .... thankfully, quite happily ... her current husband is a great man, and as
    I'm getting older, I'm beginning to recognize that he is the closest thing
    I've had to a dad for most of my life ...

    I don't think that a couple can go from "hating" each other to **suddenly**
    "getting along" afterwards ... But I do think that when couples are
    miserable in a marriage, and can't work things out within the context of
    that marriage, it's better to separate and/or divorce.

    And as evidenced by my mother's own second marriage, it is possible to
    reconcile some of those "irreconcilable differences", making it possible to
    get along.

    Quoted message said:

    http://listarchives.his.com/smartmarriages/smartmarriages.0110/msg00002.html

    http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=BC04D02

    See also
    1. Pamela J. Smock, "The Economic Costs of Marital Disruption for Young
    Women over the Past Two Decades." Demography 30 (1993): 353-371.
    2. John Crouch, "Virginia's No-Fault Divorce Reform Bill," interview with
    John Crouch and Jim Parmelee on Television Channel 10, Fairfax, VA,
    www.divorcereform.org.
    3. Robert Coombs, "Marital Status and Personal Well-Being: A Literature
    Review," Family Relations 40 (1991):97-102; I. M. Joung, et al.,
    "Differences in Self-Reported Morbidity by Marital Status and by Living
    Arrangement," International Journal of Epidemiology 23 (1994): 91-97.
    4. Linda Waite and Maggie Gallagher, The Case for Marriage (New York:
    Doubleday, 2000), p. 148.
    5. Harold J. Morowitz, "Hiding in the Hammond Report," Hospital Practice
    (August 1975), p. 39.
    6. James S. Goodwin, William C. Hunt, Charles R. Key and Jonathan M. Sarmet,
    "The Effect of Marital Status on Stage, Treatment, and Survival of Cancer
    Patients," Journal of the American Medical Association 258 (1987):
    3125-3130.
    7. Nadine F. Marks and James D. Lambert, "Marital Status Continuity and
    Change among Young and Midlife Adults: Longitudinal Effects on Psychological
    Well-being," Journal of Family Issues 19 (1998): 652-686.

    J "don't get me started" F

    --
    Steven L. Sheffield
    stevens at veloworks dot com
    veloworks at worldnet dot ay tea tee dot net
    bellum pax est libertas servitus est ignoratio vis est
    ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee sea aye tee why you ti ay aitch
    aitch tee tea pea colon [for word] slash [four ward] slash double-you
    double-yew double-ewe dot veloworks dot com [four word] slash

  6. "Steven L. Sheffield" wrote...

    Quoted message said:


    I don't disagree with you in the slightest ... But let me give you some
    insight to where I'm coming from.

    I appreciate the personal perspective, Steve. I come across people like us
    every week in my work. I too got caught in the crossfire of my parents
    divorce, but rather than elaborate, hmmm... I wonder how Cofidis' Peter
    Farazijn did today...

    JF

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