Crossing signs 'can be ignored'

On 12 Feb 2005 12:04:56 GMT, Adrian Tupper <[email hidden]>
wrote:

| The public should ignore a ban on access to private level crossings,
| according to an official from a leading heritage body.
|
| Full story:
|
| http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4255705.stm

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Network Rail Scotland has insisted that using the crossings without
authorisation is trespass.
<<<
In *England* all anyone can do if you trespass is to use reasonable force
to make you leave, which would be a good idea.
Also they can charge you for any damage, which you have been careful not to
cause. I plan to offer GBP10 if need arises.
http://www.police-law.co.uk/law/policelaw.nsf/0/be10c1bec96dcb1880256e16003ee138?OpenDocument

When walking I regularly find myself technically trespassing, but only once
have I been _politely_ told to leave, which I did.

Scottish law is different. not sure how.
--
Dave F

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Adrian Tupper said:

The public should ignore a ban on access to private level crossings,
according to an official from a leading heritage body.

Can't even see how it's dangerous, either. Certainly seems less dangerous
than crossing a busy road (I very much doubt we're talking >120mph high
speed lines here).

--
Simon Challands

Simon Challands <[email hidden]> wrote in
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In message <[email hidden]>

Adrian Tupper said:

The public should ignore a ban on access to private level crossings,
according to an official from a leading heritage body.

Can't even see how it's dangerous, either. Certainly seems less dangerous
than crossing a busy road (I very much doubt we're talking >120mph high
speed lines here).

Agree with you there. Also you're much more likely to be killed driving
to the start of your walk than crossing the railway line a few minutes
later.

FWIW when I cross a railway it tends to be somewhere where there is
no crossing so I wouldn't see the notices anyway!

--
Adrian

Dave Fawthrop <[email hidden]> wrote in
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On 12 Feb 2005 12:04:56 GMT, Adrian Tupper
<[email hidden]> wrote:

| The public should ignore a ban on access to private level crossings,
| according to an official from a leading heritage body.
|
| Full story:
|
| http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4255705.stm

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>

Network Rail Scotland has insisted that using the crossings without
authorisation is trespass.
<<<
In *England* all anyone can do if you trespass is to use reasonable
force to make you leave, which would be a good idea.
Also they can charge you for any damage, which you have been careful
not to cause. I plan to offer GBP10 if need arises.
http://www.police-law.co.uk/law/policelaw.nsf/0/be10c1bec96dcb1880256e1
6003ee138?OpenDocument

When walking I regularly find myself technically trespassing, but only
once have I been _politely_ told to leave, which I did.

Scottish law is different. not sure how.

The basic principles are the same. And SNH (Scottish Natural Heritage -
like the Countryside Commisssion I think) are saying that Network Rail
is wrong to suggest that private crossing are off-limit. I knew this
access bill would cause more problems than it solved.

--
Adrian

On 12 Feb 2005 14:39:20 GMT, Adrian Tupper <[email hidden]>
wrote:

| Simon Challands <[email hidden]> wrote in
| news:[email hidden]:
|
| > In message <[email hidden]>
| > Adrian Tupper <[email hidden]> wrote:
| >
| >> The public should ignore a ban on access to private level crossings,
| >> according to an official from a leading heritage body.
| >
| > Can't even see how it's dangerous, either. Certainly seems less dangerous
| > than crossing a busy road (I very much doubt we're talking >120mph high
| > speed lines here).

| Agree with you there. Also you're much more likely to be killed driving
| to the start of your walk than crossing the railway line a few minutes
| later.

Striding Edge is dangerous! What's new? All life is dangerous.
--
Dave F

Dave Fawthrop <[email hidden]> wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

On 12 Feb 2005 14:39:20 GMT, Adrian Tupper
<[email hidden]> wrote:

| Simon Challands <[email hidden]> wrote in
| news:[email hidden]:
|
| > In message <[email hidden]>
| > Adrian Tupper <[email hidden]> wrote:
| >
| >> The public should ignore a ban on access to private level
| >> crossings, according to an official from a leading heritage body.
| >
| > Can't even see how it's dangerous, either. Certainly seems less
| > dangerous than crossing a busy road (I very much doubt we're
| > talking >120mph high speed lines here).

| Agree with you there. Also you're much more likely to be killed
| driving to the start of your walk than crossing the railway line a
| few minutes later.

Striding Edge is dangerous! What's new? All life is dangerous.

I've never found Striding Edge to be dangerous. Still. Yes all
life has its dangers but this particular danger is not abnormally
high. It doesn't even register on the all-things-that-tend-to-
spoil-a-good-walk scale.

--
Adrian

On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:31:38 +0000, Dave Fawthrop
<[email hidden]> uttered:

Quoted message said:

On 12 Feb 2005 12:04:56 GMT, Adrian Tupper <[email hidden]>
wrote:

| The public should ignore a ban on access to private level crossings,
| according to an official from a leading heritage body.
|
| Full story:
|
| http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4255705.stm

Quoted message said:

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>

Network Rail Scotland has insisted that using the crossings without
authorisation is trespass.
<<<
In *England* all anyone can do if you trespass is to use reasonable force
to make you leave, which would be a good idea.
Also they can charge you for any damage, which you have been careful not to
cause. I plan to offer GBP10 if need arises.
http://www.police-law.co.uk/law/policelaw.nsf/0/be10c1bec96dcb1880256e16003ee138?OpenDocument

When walking I regularly find myself technically trespassing, but only once
have I been _politely_ told to leave, which I did.

Scottish law is different. not sure how.

By telling you it's trespass, and you get run over by a train, it will
not be 100% their fault, boom, boom...

--
Dewi,

(remove spin for email)

* The air of uk.rec.walking was filled with the delicate perfume
* of violets, as Simon Challands <[email hidden]> descended
* on a shaft of golden sunlight, and announced:

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Can't even see how it's dangerous, either. Certainly seems less dangerous
than crossing a busy road (I very much doubt we're talking >120mph high
speed lines here).

Perhaps they're worried that walkers will trip over the broken rails, or
stumble on the undone bolts!

Jim Ford

Jim Ford <[email hidden]> wrote in
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* The air of uk.rec.walking was filled with the delicate perfume
* of violets, as Simon Challands <[email hidden]>
descended * on a shaft of golden sunlight, and announced:

Quoted message said:

Can't even see how it's dangerous, either. Certainly seems less
dangerous than crossing a busy road (I very much doubt we're talking

Quoted message said:

120mph high speed lines here).

Perhaps they're worried that walkers will trip over the broken rails,
or stumble on the undone bolts!

Jim Ford

Ah yes. That'll be it. :-)

--
Adrian

Dont worry they are ignored. Especially the ones of RoWs.... (eg
Dalwhinnie)

I was pleased to see them go up..

The reason was that a while ago there was talk of booking folk coming
off the hill and really enforcing the law (Railways are one place
where criminal trespass laws apply ) By erecting the signs,
something was seen to be done and Network Rail could be seen to be
discharging their duty. Then all could hopefully quieten down again.
Hope this resurgance does not cause more problems...

Be careful though.. some of those trains are quiet, but given the
choice of crossing the A9 or the Highland Railway - give me the
railway!

And then there is the hill - and given the conditions
yesterday.....................

Richard Webb

[email hidden] (RJ Webb) wrote in news:420f2467.2042671
@news.blueyonder.co.uk:

Quoted message said:

Dont worry they are ignored. Especially the ones of RoWs.... (eg
Dalwhinnie)

I was pleased to see them go up..

The reason was that a while ago there was talk of booking folk coming
off the hill and really enforcing the law (Railways are one place
where criminal trespass laws apply ) By erecting the signs,
something was seen to be done and Network Rail could be seen to be
discharging their duty. Then all could hopefully quieten down again.
Hope this resurgance does not cause more problems...

Be careful though.. some of those trains are quiet, but given the
choice of crossing the A9 or the Highland Railway - give me the
railway!

Exactly. As many trains a day as pass in half a minute on the A9.

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And then there is the hill - and given the conditions
yesterday.....................

Snowing here a few minutes ago. Hope to get some skiing done
next weekend unless the whole lot melts into the Spey.

--
Adrian

Phil Cook said:

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In England trespass on the railway IS a criminal offence.

Only because they fixed the law which created Railtrack. The
privatisation was pushed through so quickly they forgot to give the
British Transport Police responsibility for policing the railway.

Saw the programme.. The railtrack goon was pretty foul. I wanted to
punch its smug face. How I hate jobsworths....

The daft buggers have signed RoWs as well, like the track down Loch
Ericht and the one down Loch Garry. This was mentioned, but they could
have made more of it and challenged Porky Jobsworth with this point.

Of course its mental, how can they police the Highlands - send a
clipboard and a BTP constable up to Balsporran to nick the baggers on
a Sunday afternoon. Would not put it past them.

They say they are monitoring 20 crossings as a compromise.. Perhaps
they are gathering the information they require to budget their
security fencing....

Nice people.

Richard Webb

RJ Webb said:

They say they are monitoring 20 crossings as a compromise.. Perhaps
they are gathering the information they require to budget their
security fencing....

Of course none of this prevents a bloke with a death-wish parking his
car on level x-ing in the path of a high speed train in Wiltshire :-(
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

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In England trespass on the railway IS a criminal offence.

Yes, but the laws of trespass do not apply to urw walkers. ;-)

I will admit that I walked at least a mile along a mineral line in the
Dales in order to avoid a long detour by road, but although we knew that
there was no traffic on Sundays we kept a sharp lookout both ways.

Considering the number of railway employees who are killed whilst
working on the track it is best to stay clear of them.
--
Gordon Harris

Gordon Harris said:

[email hidden] writes

Quoted message said:

In England trespass on the railway IS a criminal offence.

Yes, but the laws of trespass do not apply to urw walkers. ;-)

They do.. but they have to catch us first. (bearing in mind that the
laws outwith special cases like the railway is very weak indeed.) Long
may it stay that way....

Richard Webb