Critique requested

In article EiUhb.540325$cF.208595@rwcrnsc53 said:

"onefred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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My co-worker has been hounding me to buy a Seven bike.

Why should he hound you? What's in it for him?

He has no money. He thinks I do. If I buy one, he'd enjoy it vicariously.

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How about a custom Habanero???

You could get 3 of them for the price of a Seven, although a Seven is a beautiful machine!

HAND

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My co-worker has been hounding me to buy a Seven bike. Please critique this little essay he
sent me:

<snip, snip, snip, snip....>

Sure, drop a load of cash on a butt-ugly Seven. But be forewarned that after taking out a second
mortgage for no better reason than to keep up with the Joneses, you will feel a subtle pressure to
justify your decision by writing long-winded, wrong-headed essays just like your friend's. People
will start to avoid you at parties -- "Oh no, she's going to start in on Sevens again." Perhaps you
will feel the need to assert the rightness of your purchase here on rec.bicycles.tech, and Jobst
will savage you mercilessly. It could get ugly, very ugly.

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How about a custom Habanero???

That's what Im thinking of getting.... the Habanero.

Question tho.... do they make a touring frame/bike?

John

Sad fact. Lightspeed is the Sam Adams of boutique beers. I also heard that Eddy Merkx provides the
geometry/layout and the bikes are mass produced by some conglomerate.

"gwhite" <gwhite@hocuspocus_ti.com> wrote in message news:3F884DAE.18FBD719@hocuspocus_ti.com...

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Brian Wax said:

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Lightspeed is mass produced by Trek or some other big outfit.

Huh?

me6340 said:

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How about a custom Habanero???

That's what Im thinking of getting.... the Habanero.

Question tho.... do they make a touring frame/bike?

They have what they call a "cross-touring" frame; with canti bosses, more clearance, etc. You can
also get custom frames from them. Them is Mark Hickey, actually.

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David L. Johnson

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philosophy. Our own brain, our own heart is our (_)/ (_) | temple. The philosophy is kindness.
--The Dalai Lama

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They have what they call a "cross-touring" frame; with canti bosses, more clearance, etc. You can
also get custom frames from them. Them is Mark Hickey, actually.

I could do business along those lines with this "Mark Hickey" of whom you speak.

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I have a Seven Axiom myself and I reason I didn't buy a Habanero is because most people will look at
a Seven before they look at a Habanero. Even if a Habanero is an equal bike it doesn't have the same
drool factor. . It all comes down to style. I will never win a race so I may as well look good at
the back of the pack. This bike will last me forever or until I tire of it so who cares if I spend a
few more thousands on it. Amortized over 10 years it's peanuts. Funny how people complain (not that
you were) about the price of a seven or any other high end bike but they have no problem buying a
carton of cigarettes or a case of beer

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In article <EiUhb.540325$cF.208595@rwcrnsc53>, "Claire Petersky"

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"onefred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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> My co-worker has been hounding me to buy a Seven bike.

Why should he hound you? What's in it for him?

He has no money. He thinks I do. If I buy one, he'd enjoy it

vicariously.

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Warm Regards,

Claire Petersky Please substitute earthlink.net for mousepotato.com Home of the meditative
cyclist at: home.earthlink.netWelcome.htmOpen ↗

Books just wanna be FREE! See what I mean at: bookcrossing.comCpeterskyOpen ↗

How about a custom Habanero???

You could get 3 of them for the price of a Seven, although a Seven is a beautiful machine!

HAND

--
³Freedom Is a Light for Which Many Have Died in Darkness³

- Tomb of the unknown - American Revolution

In article said:

I have a Seven Axiom myself and I reason I didn't buy a Habanero is because most people will look
at a Seven before they look at a Habanero. Even if a Habanero is an equal bike it doesn't have the
same drool factor. . It all comes down to style. I will never win a race so I may as well look
good at the back of the pack. This bike will last me forever or until I tire of it so who cares if
I spend a few more thousands on it. Amortized over 10 years it's peanuts. Funny how people
complain (not that you were) about the price of a seven or any other high end bike but they have
no problem buying a carton of cigarettes or a case of beer

So there you go, Claire: get a used steel bike like me, and we can drop Paul together.

Not joking, I think Paul as articulated well the reason for getting a really pricey bike, be it a
Seven, a Hetchins, or a Colnago.

The rest of us should get a commodity bike with mid-range components (Tiagra-105 or Campy
equivalent).

Only case of beer I've bought in the last 10 years was to trade for bike parts,
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Ryan Cousineau, [email hidden] sfu.ca~rcousineOpen ↗ President, Fabrizio Mazzoleni Fan Club

Ryan No doubt you may be able to drop me on that old rusty steel bike but will you look good
doing it? LOL

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I have a Seven Axiom myself and I reason I didn't buy a Habanero is

because

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most people will look at a Seven before they look at a Habanero. Even

if a

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Habanero is an equal bike it doesn't have the same drool factor. . It

all

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comes down to style. I will never win a race so I may as well look good

at

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the back of the pack. This bike will last me forever or until I tire

of it

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so who cares if I spend a few more thousands on it. Amortized over 10 years it's peanuts. Funny
how people complain (not that you were)

about

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the price of a seven or any other high end bike but they have no problem buying a carton of
cigarettes or a case of beer

So there you go, Claire: get a used steel bike like me, and we can drop Paul together.

Not joking, I think Paul as articulated well the reason for getting a really pricey bike, be it a
Seven, a Hetchins, or a Colnago.

The rest of us should get a commodity bike with mid-range components (Tiagra-105 or Campy
equivalent).

Only case of beer I've bought in the last 10 years was to trade for bike parts,
--
Ryan Cousineau, [email hidden] sfu.ca~rcousineOpen ↗ President, Fabrizio Mazzoleni Fan Club

Kevan Smith said:

On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 00:04:59 -0400, "Eric S. Sande" <[email hidden]> from Realtime

Limited said:

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My co-worker has been hounding me to buy a Seven bike. Please critique this little essay he
sent me:

You're not a Seven person, Claire.

That's JMHO. I see you going to Breinigsville, PA, I see you on a Spectrum bicycle.

She strikes me as more of a Heron or Waterford person.

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home.sport.rr.comcuthuluOpen ↗ human rights = peace shoe ash a bike assuming
12:12:11 AM 11 October 2003

Nah, she's got Steelhead written all over her.

In article said:

I have a Seven Axiom myself and I reason I didn't buy a Habanero is because most people will look
at a Seven before they look at a Habanero. Even if a Habanero is an equal bike it doesn't have the
same drool factor. . It all comes down to style. I will never win a race so I may as well look good
at the back of the pack. This bike will last me forever or until I tire of it so who cares if I
spend a few more thousands on it. Amortized over 10 years it's peanuts. Funny how people complain
(not that you were) about the price of a seven or any other high end bike but they have no problem
buying a carton of cigarettes or a case of beer

PBR is $8.99 a case in cans - what's your point? :-)

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They have what they call a "cross-touring" frame; with canti bosses, more clearance, etc. You can
also get custom frames from them. Them is Mark Hickey, actually.

Does anyone own one of the Habenero Cross bikes?

John

Mike Jacoubowsky/Chain Reaction Bicycles said:

And, of course, I'd love to see you try out a TREK OCLV and see what you thought of the ride! :>😉

That's what I've been trying to tell her from day one 😉

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Perre

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Kerry Nikolaisen said:

Nah, she's got Steelhead written all over her.

That'll teach her to go drinking with cyclists...

Mark Hickey Habanero Cycles habcycles.comhabcycles.comOpen ↗ Home of the $695 ti frame

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Bicycles said:

Claire: Sevens are great bikes, no question, but the majority of people benefit from a "custom"
bike primarily because they feel it's cool to have something unique. A very, very small subset of
cyclists actually require something different from the norm of currently-available fit &
geometries.

And if you happen to be in that subset, the biggest benefit of a custom bike is that it FITS. That
will have far, far more effect on the ride quality and your enjoyment of the bike than the material
the frame is made from.

I think your coworker is being incredibly pushy, probably in an attempt to stroke his own ego (by
displaying his expertise) and soothe his fears (that he overpaid for his own bike), but that's not
what you asked about.

Stella, small subsetter

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Stella Hackell [email hidden]

She who succeeds in gaining the mastery of the bicycle will gain the mastery of life. --Frances E.
Willard, _How I Learned to Ride the Bicycle_

In rec.bicycles.misc Ryan Cousineau <[email hidden]> wrote:
: Only case of beer I've bought in the last 10 years was to trade for bike parts,

?

that makes no sense. why would you not buy beer? do you get it for free?
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david reuteler [email hidden]

Paul said:

I have a Seven Axiom myself and I reason I didn't buy a Habanero is because most people will look
at a Seven before they look at a Habanero. Even if a Habanero is an equal bike it doesn't have the
same drool

factor.

If that is what you need....

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until I tire of it so who cares if I spend a few more thousands on it.

Choke..

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Amortized over 10 years it's peanuts. Funny how people complain (not that you were) about the
price of a seven or any other high end bike but they have no problem buying a carton of cigarettes
or a case of beer

I have a lot of problems, on several counts, with buying a carton of cigarettes. Beer, on the other
hand, is usually cheaper than bottled water.

--

David L. Johnson

__o | The trouble with the rat race is that even if you win you're _`\(,_ | still a rat. --Lilly
Tomlin (_)/ (_) |

Brian Wax said:

Sad fact. Lightspeed is the Sam Adams of boutique beers. I also heard that Eddy Merkx provides the
geometry/layout and the bikes are mass produced by some conglomerate.

"I heard it somewhere through a friend of a friend."

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"gwhite" <gwhite@hocuspocus_ti.com> wrote in message news:3F884DAE.18FBD719@hocuspocus_ti.com...

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Brian Wax said:

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Lightspeed is mass produced by Trek or some other big outfit.

Huh?

So exactly when did Lightspeed shut down their fab house and contract frame making out to Trek?

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Paul said:

I have a Seven Axiom myself and I reason I didn't buy a Habanero is because most people will
look at a Seven before they look at a Habanero. Even if a Habanero is an equal bike it doesn't
have the same drool

factor.

If that is what you need....

That's what we all need in some form or another. If this wasn't the case then we would all be
riding rusty old steel bikes with 105 groupo, wearing plain black cycling shorts, a plain cycling
jersey and unshaven legs. We would all be living in a shack and be driving a [censored] car. You show
me a person who doesn't care what the other other people thinks and I will show you a person with a
Seven Axiom

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I have a lot of problems, on several counts, with buying a carton of cigarettes. Beer, on the
other hand, is usually cheaper than bottled water.

There is no guarantee that bottled water is safer than "city" water so why would anyone in their
right mind spend10 times the price. Perhaps we can find some "Habanero" water. LOL

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David L. Johnson

__o | The trouble with the rat race is that even if you win you're _`\(,_ | still a rat.
--Lilly Tomlin (_)/ (_) |

In rec.bicycles.misc Paul <[email hidden]> wrote:
: That's what we all need in some form or another. If this wasn't the case then we would all be
: riding rusty old steel bikes with 105 groupo, wearing plain black cycling shorts, a plain cycling
: jersey and unshaven legs.

whoa. that sounds like ryan.

: We would all be living in a shack and be driving a [censored] car.

& that's definitely me.

: You show me a person who doesn't care what the other other people thinks and I will show you a
: person with a Seven Axiom

the problem with seven is that they pander to a clientelle of [censored]. their publicity department
has clearly gone a little crazy. they actually make damn nice bikes for a not ridiculous price
(their $1500 steel frame is comparable to waterford for example) and they are are a great company to
deal with (they wont't, for instance, try and sell you an ultra-butted ti carbon fiber fru-fru super
bike to tour with). the rest of the industry could learn a lot from their customer service.

i've owned a seven straight-gauge ti touring/cyclocross bike for a little under two years, rode it
from minneapolis to los angeles via seattle and have seriously bonded with it. it's a nice bike. the
best i've owned but ffs it's juat a damn bike.

anyway, ryan, i own a seven. do we get to race?
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