He also race at Ft. Hood, BLORA in '99. I was there.
John in Texas
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Definitely out now... he's brought to hospital in an ambulance. Damn, he looked good today, but took a bit too much risk in the dangerous descent. Braking too late and slipping left and right. Lance has mountainbike experience?
Yes, in fact in 99 Lance was supposed to have a split season, race some road and some mtn bike for Trek. The TdF that year changed his focus a little bit. He only raced in 2 mtn bike races, one in Colorado and one in Napa Valley IIRC.
He also races in the Dirty Duo outside of Austin. Fun stuff.
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Definitely out now... he's brought to hospital in an ambulance. Damn, he looked good today, but took a bit too much risk in the dangerous descent. Braking too late and slipping left and right. Lance has mountainbike experience?
Yes he does - check him out at the bottom of this page:
Lance actually does a lot of mountain biking- and at competed in at least one duathlon- around Austin over the winter season. The photo of Beloki on the ground with Lance right behind him was fascinating.
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Definitely out now... he's brought to hospital in an ambulance. Damn, he looked good today, but took a bit too much risk in the dangerous descent. Braking too late and slipping left and right. Lance has mountainbike experience?
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Yes, in fact in 99 Lance was supposed to have a split season, race some road and some mtn bike for Trek. The TdF that year changed his focus a little bit. He only raced in 2 mtn bike races, one in Colorado and one in Napa Valley IIRC.
He also races in the Dirty Duo outside of Austin. Fun stuff.
Lindsay
About that time, very shortly after his chemo, he raced in an XC at Deer Valley, Utah, but did not bother finishing. He'd catch everyone on the climbs and fall back on the downhills.
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What a shame for Beloki!!
I was thinking this is probably the best tour I've ever seen on TV. Then *this* happened. Recover well. Joseba.
Broken leg, broken elbow, broken wrist. Disaster for Beloki and ONCE. Great survival instincts by Lance. Glad he wasn't penalized for his cross-country jaunt. And we may have witnessed the birth of a star in Alexandre Vinokourov.
A "bit" too much risk? Locking up the rear wheel until the tire is ground away and explodes is not s symptom of a bit too much risk, it's a sign of panic, assuming it was not intentional. How did Armstrong, who was right behind him, get through, cross country or otherwise, at what must have been approximately the same speed?
Maybe I'm taking Armstrong's statement the that Beloki's rear tire exploded right in front of him too literally. I didn't see it. Maybe Beloki attacked where he didn't have room to make the turn and panicked when he saw what he got himself into.
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According to Armstrong's post-race interview, his tire rolled first and then blew. I'm not sure he even locked his rear wheel, the tire was already off when he was fishtailing (until the rim caught and he was thrown over his bike).
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What a shame for Beloki!!
I was thinking this is probably the best tour I've ever seen on TV. Then *this* happened. Recover well. Joseba.
Broken leg, broken elbow, broken wrist. Disaster for Beloki and ONCE. Great survival instincts by Lance. Glad he wasn't penalized for his cross-country jaunt. And we may have witnessed the birth of a star in Alexandre Vinokourov.
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Vino is one of the few riders that has had an even stronger year than Hamilton. Paris-Nice, Amstel Gold and Tour de Suisse.
A "bit" too much risk? Locking up the rear wheel until the tire is ground away and explodes is not s symptom of a bit too much risk, it's a sign of panic, assuming it was not intentional. How did Armstrong, who was right behind him, get through, cross country or otherwise, at what must have been approximately the same speed?
Maybe Beloki panicked and didn't apply enough (or any) front brake, whereas Lance used both (mostly front) and hence was able to avoid skidding and slow down more.
When I began racing as a youngster (relatively speaking) our coach adjusted everyones' rear brake so that the lever bottomed out on the handle bar before the rear would lock up. Almost everyone instinctively learnt to use the front more effectively. Even today, when braking hard in the rain, when I start to lose the rear I automatically (lower-brainstem) re-balance. Now if people would stop plowing into my RD I'd be happy. -- Dominic Richens | [email hidden] "If you're not *outraged*, you're not paying attention!"
That was the kind of crash that gives you a sick feeling to watch. Real unfortunate for the overall results of the tour also- Beloki was really making things interesting. Hope he gets well soon.
This just sucks canal water. At first I thought, oh, just bad road rash, but the mike picked up his moaning and groaning and it just sounded terrible.
His season's probably over, I doubt he'll make it to the Vuelta. And I was so impressed with Beloki this year. Mind you, I was also impressed with Lance's cyclocross skills! And in the middle of July, mind you.
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Definitely out now... he's brought to hospital in an ambulance. Damn, he looked good today, but took a bit too much risk in the dangerous descent. Braking too late and slipping left and right. Lance has mountainbike experience?
Yes, in fact in 99 Lance was supposed to have a split season, race some road and some mtn bike for Trek. The TdF that year changed his focus a little bit. He only raced in 2 mtn bike races, one in Colorado and one in Napa Valley IIRC.
Lance raced Mount Snow and the old Mercury Tour stage race (MTB) in Steamboat Springs, CO that year. He did another "local" type race as well. I was working the feed zone the year Lance rode Mercury. He crashed several times on the course. His inexperience showed (I saw TV coverage a few weeks later) when he tried to ride sections that no one else would even attempt. Guys like Jess Swiggers (who damn near won that first stage) would run through the area; Lance tried to ride two of those sections and crashed. He reached the feed zone, traded bottles with the Trek-VW soigneur and turned and headed down the mountain on the fire road--he was done. I admired him for agreeing to honor his word to do some of the MTB racing;
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That was the kind of crash that gives you a sick feeling to watch. Real unfortunate for the overall results of the tour also- Beloki was really making things interesting. Hope he gets well soon.
This just sucks canal water. At first I thought, oh, just bad road rash, but the mike picked up his moaning and groaning
I saw it twice and I winced both times.
and it just sounded
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terrible.
His season's probably over, I doubt he'll make it to the Vuelta. And I was so impressed with Beloki this year. Mind you, I was also impressed with Lance's cyclocross skills! And in the middle of July, mind you.
That was the kind of crash that gives you a sick feeling to watch. Real unfortunate for the overall results of the tour also- Beloki was really making things interesting. Hope he gets well soon.
This just sucks canal water. At first I thought, oh, just bad road rash, but the mike picked up his moaning and groaning and it just sounded terrible.
So I wasn't imagining it.
Damn, I hope the medic was stocking morphine.
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His season's probably over, I doubt he'll make it to the Vuelta. And I was so impressed with Beloki this year. Mind you, I was also impressed with Lance's cyclocross skills! And in the middle of July, mind you.
A "bit" too much risk? Locking up the rear wheel until the tire is ground away and explodes is not s symptom of a bit too much risk, it's a sign of panic, assuming it was not intentional. How did Armstrong, who was right behind him, get through, cross country or otherwise, at what must have been approximately the same speed?
Maybe Beloki panicked and didn't apply enough (or any) front brake, whereas Lance used both (mostly front) and hence was able to avoid skidding and slow down more.
I think Armstrong stayed more on the 'white' patches (old surface without tar) while Beloki skidded on a 'black' patch (tar sealant).
