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  1. I am pretty much a know-nothing when it comes to bike mechanics can
    change wheels and adjust brakes/derailleurs but that is about it,
    noticed a crack today on a nut on my steerer (?) is this the sort of job
    you could tackle yourself (although not experienced with bike mechanics
    I am not handless) or do I let the LBS replace it? All advice welcome,
    if this is a non-event type job and I should tackle it myself could
    someone give me a step by step account of how to change it or a link to
    a page where this is discussed.
    Pic of crack/nut etc at :-

    http://www.sidtech.co.uk/iu/soup86307461862.JPG

    --
    yours S

    Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione

  2. soup popped their head over the parapet saw what was going on and said

    Quoted message said:

    I am pretty much a know-nothing when it comes to bike mechanics can
    change wheels and adjust brakes/derailleurs but that is about it,
    noticed a crack today on a nut on my steerer (?) is this the sort of
    job you could tackle yourself (although not experienced with bike
    mechanics I am not handless) or do I let the LBS replace it? All
    advice welcome, if this is a non-event type job and I should tackle
    it myself could someone give me a step by step account of how to
    change it or a link to a page where this is discussed.
    Pic of crack/nut etc at :-

    http://www.sidtech.co.uk/iu/soup86307461862.JPG

    Wish I wasn't in a such a hurry to post all the time the allen bolt
    running through it just needed a wee bit gentle persuasion (involving a
    hammer and a block of wood), this meant the entire handlebar assembly
    can be removed and the locking (?) nut at the top of the headset can be
    removed now to go to the LBS to see if they stock a replacement for this
    nut :-
    http://www.sidtech.co.uk/iu/soup87404839307.JPG
    is this a "common" spare part as I feel buying an entire head set just
    to replace this part is beyond the pale.

    --
    yours S

    Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione

  3. On Wed, 11 May 2005 14:22:51 GMT, "soup" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:


    I am pretty much a know-nothing when it comes to bike mechanics can
    change wheels and adjust brakes/derailleurs but that is about it,
    noticed a crack today on a nut on my steerer (?) is this the sort of job
    you could tackle yourself (although not experienced with bike mechanics
    I am not handless) or do I let the LBS replace it? All advice welcome,
    if this is a non-event type job and I should tackle it myself could
    someone give me a step by step account of how to change it or a link to
    a page where this is discussed.
    Pic of crack/nut etc at :-

    http://www.sidtech.co.uk/iu/soup86307461862.JPG

    Read this first:

    http://sheldonbrown.com/handsup.html

    (That's basically background about stems in general, but it's worth
    reading since it explains how the stem mounting works.)

    The job is easy. Mark the current installed depth of the stem using
    some tape or nail polish or whatever you've got that will work.
    Loosen the bolt in the middle of the stem a couple of turns (it's the
    one that has the hex recess, right in the top of the vertical part of
    the stem) and give it a smack straight down with a hammer or wrench;
    this should make the stem and handlebars suddenly able to move without
    turning the fork[1]. Pull the handlebar and stem assembly out of the
    steerer tube. If the wire for the computer isn't long enough to allow
    this, just undo the comp's bracket for now, letting it dangle, and put
    it back on when you're done.

    At this point, you can just unscrew the cracked nut and take it along
    to the bike ship to get a replacement. If they're nice people, they
    might scrounge one from the used parts pile and sell it to you cheap;
    if they don't keep a used parts pile (or they're Profit Maximization
    Oriented) they may tell you that the only way they can sell you one is
    as part of a complete headset; it's up to you to decide if that's a
    ripoff or not.

    Having secured a new nut by whatever means, it just gets run down
    against the stuff that's below it and tightened firmly in place. Huge
    amounts of torque are not required. If everything's OK, there should
    be no play in the steering bearing but you should be able to move the
    fork freely with essentially no resistance. (A slight feeling of
    non-smoothness is normal; these are generally not high-precision
    bearings.) If there's drag, undo the nut a turn and unscrew the round
    knurled part (below the nut) until there's no drag and just a teensy
    bit of play, and then retighten the nut and check for play. Readjust
    as needed so that when the nut is tight, there is neither slack nor
    drag in the bearing.

    If there's play in the headset bearing when the nut's tight (and there
    probably will be until you adjust it, if that nut's been cracked for
    very long), you'll need to screw that knurled round part (it's
    actually part of the upper bearing) down a bit to take the slack out
    of the bearing before tightening the nut. It is not uncommon to need
    to leave just a tiny bit of slack in the bearing before you tighten
    the nut in order to have no slack and no drag when the nut is tight.
    Once you're happy with the adjustment of the headset with the nut back
    on tight, slip the stem back into the steerer to the same depth that
    it was before (you marked it, right?), snug the stem bolt a bit, check
    the centering of the bars vs the front wheel, and when it looks right,
    tighten the bolt to lock the bars in place. Recheck it after the
    first couple of rides if you're not sure that you got it tight enough.

    [1] If the bolt drops down flush when struck, but the stem is still
    pretty much locked in place, unscrew the bolt a few more turns and
    smack it again. That should get the stem loose.
    --
    Typoes are a feature, not a bug.
    Some gardening required to reply via email.
    Words processed in a facility that contains nuts.

  4. Werehatrack popped their head over the parapet saw what was going on
    and said

    Quoted message said:

    On Wed, 11 May 2005 14:22:51 GMT, "soup" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:


    I am pretty much a know-nothing when it comes to bike mechanics can
    change wheels and adjust brakes/derailleurs but that is about it,
    noticed a crack today on a nut on my steerer (?) is this the sort
    of job you could tackle yourself (although not experienced with
    bike mechanics I am not handless) or do I let the LBS replace it?
    All advice welcome, if this is a non-event type job and I should
    tackle it myself could someone give me a step by step account of
    how to change it or a link to a page where this is discussed.
    Pic of crack/nut etc at :-

    http://www.sidtech.co.uk/iu/soup86307461862.JPG

    Read this first:

    http://sheldonbrown.com/handsup.html

    (That's basically background about stems in general, but it's worth
    reading since it explains how the stem mounting works.)

    The job is easy. Mark the current installed depth of the stem using
    some tape or nail polish or whatever you've got that will work.
    Loosen the bolt in the middle of the stem a couple of turns (it's the
    one that has the hex recess, right in the top of the vertical part of
    the stem) and give it a smack straight down with a hammer or wrench;
    this should make the stem and handlebars suddenly able to move without
    turning the fork[1]. Pull the handlebar and stem assembly out of the
    steerer tube. If the wire for the computer isn't long enough to allow
    this, just undo the comp's bracket for now, letting it dangle, and put
    it back on when you're done.

    At this point, you can just unscrew the cracked nut and take it along
    to the bike ship to get a replacement. If they're nice people, they
    might scrounge one from the used parts pile and sell it to you cheap;
    if they don't keep a used parts pile (or they're Profit Maximization
    Oriented) they may tell you that the only way they can sell you one is
    as part of a complete headset; it's up to you to decide if that's a
    ripoff or not.

    Having secured a new nut by whatever means, it just gets run down
    against the stuff that's below it and tightened firmly in place. Huge
    amounts of torque are not required. If everything's OK, there should
    be no play in the steering bearing but you should be able to move the
    fork freely with essentially no resistance. (A slight feeling of
    non-smoothness is normal; these are generally not high-precision
    bearings.) If there's drag, undo the nut a turn and unscrew the round
    knurled part (below the nut) until there's no drag and just a teensy
    bit of play, and then retighten the nut and check for play. Readjust
    as needed so that when the nut is tight, there is neither slack nor
    drag in the bearing.

    If there's play in the headset bearing when the nut's tight (and there
    probably will be until you adjust it, if that nut's been cracked for
    very long), you'll need to screw that knurled round part (it's
    actually part of the upper bearing) down a bit to take the slack out
    of the bearing before tightening the nut. It is not uncommon to need
    to leave just a tiny bit of slack in the bearing before you tighten
    the nut in order to have no slack and no drag when the nut is tight.
    Once you're happy with the adjustment of the headset with the nut back
    on tight, slip the stem back into the steerer to the same depth that
    it was before (you marked it, right?), snug the stem bolt a bit, check
    the centering of the bars vs the front wheel, and when it looks right,
    tighten the bolt to lock the bars in place. Recheck it after the
    first couple of rides if you're not sure that you got it tight enough.

    [1] If the bolt drops down flush when struck, but the stem is still
    pretty much locked in place, unscrew the bolt a few more turns and
    smack it again. That should get the stem loose.

    Thanks V-much Werehatrack first part of your post was what I did now to
    see if "Freewheelin'" in Edinburgh are nice people or profit maximise
    orientated if they are charging the earth there is allways EBC who might
    have a spare nut.

    Aside :- Does anyone have any recomendations for 'bike shops in
    Edinburgh preferably in the west but anywhere really.

    --
    yours S

    Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione

  5. In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    Wish I wasn't in a such a hurry to post all the time the allen bolt
    running through it just needed a wee bit gentle persuasion (involving a
    hammer and a block of wood), this meant the entire handlebar assembly
    can be removed and the locking (?) nut at the top of the headset can be
    removed now to go to the LBS to see if they stock a replacement for this
    nut :-
    http://www.sidtech.co.uk/iu/soup87404839307.JPG
    is this a "common" spare part as I feel buying an entire head set just
    to replace this part is beyond the pale.

    Just replace the top nut. As long as you have the appropriate size wrench, it
    is not a big deal. I doubt the bike is worth spending any monye on it. Coca
    Cola is know for their beverges, not their bikes.
    ------------
    Alex

  6. soup said:

    http://www.sidtech.co.uk/iu/soup86307461862.JPG

    Coke can head tube?

  7. Bill Sornson popped their head over the parapet saw what was going on

    Quoted message said:

    Coke can head tube?

    Nah a walking (?) advert for CC, actually had wheel discs at the back
    emblazoned with the CC logo and coloured red and white ,this bike was
    actually a competition win and appears to be made of (V-heavy) cheese
    and as such don't want to spend much money on it at all.

    http://www.sidtech.co.uk/iu/soup415049140.JPG
    --
    yours S

    Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione

  8. soup said:

    Bill Sornson popped their head over the parapet saw what was going on

    Quoted message said:

    Coke can head tube?

    Nah a walking (?) advert for CC, actually had wheel discs at the back
    emblazoned with the CC logo and coloured red and white ,this bike was
    actually a competition win and appears to be made of (V-heavy) cheese
    and as such don't want to spend much money on it at all.

    http://www.sidtech.co.uk/iu/soup415049140.JPG

    Holy [censored] that's a death trap!

    Happy Riding 🙂

  9. Bill Sornson popped their head over the parapet saw what was going on
    and said

    Quoted message said:

    Holy [censored] that's a death trap!

    Happy Riding 🙂

    Thanks for your good wishes.

    --
    yours S

    Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione

  10. soup said:

    I am pretty much a know-nothing when it comes to bike mechanics can
    change wheels and adjust brakes/derailleurs but that is about it,
    noticed a crack today on a nut on my steerer (?) is this the sort of job
    you could tackle yourself (although not experienced with bike mechanics
    I am not handless) or do I let the LBS replace it? All advice welcome,
    if this is a non-event type job and I should tackle it myself could
    someone give me a step by step account of how to change it or a link to
    a page where this is discussed.
    Pic of crack/nut etc at :-

    http://www.sidtech.co.uk/iu/soup86307461862.JPG


    That's a trivially simple thing if you have suitable tools.
    Get a new locknut at your LBS. They'll range $2 to $10
    depending on quality, finish and brand - any BSC locknut
    will fit.

    Remove the stem, unscrew broken nut, lubricate thread,
    fasten new nut. Reinstall your stem with lubricated threads
    and wedge, then check the bearing adjustment.

    Apply the front brake with one hand and rock the bike front
    to back. With your other hand, grasp the headset so your
    fingers are touching both the adjustable race (the knurled
    part) and the cup (smooth black part) just below it. If
    there's play, unscrew the locknut, turn the adjusting race
    tighter and repeat. Once there's no play, lift the bike by
    holding the top tube just behind the headset and turn the
    handlebars/fork slowly side to side. There should be no more
    resistance than when it was loose

    --
    Andrew Muzi
    www.yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

  11. A Muzi popped their head over the parapet saw what was going on and said

    Quoted message said:

    soup wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I am pretty much a know-nothing when it comes to bike mechanics can


    <snip>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Pic of crack/nut etc at :-

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    http://www.sidtech.co.uk/iu/soup86307461862.JPG

    Quoted message said:

    That's a trivially simple thing if you have suitable tools.
    Get a new locknut at your LBS. They'll range $2 to $10
    depending on quality, finish and brand - any BSC locknut
    will fit.


    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    resistance than when it was loose

    Thanks for that A Muzi.
    I have gotten the old nut off and have sussed out how to replace the
    locknut but I am having trouble getting a replacement locknut, one shop
    has told me they are unavailable on their own I will have to buy a whole
    headset and another shop has given me a spare they had laying about but
    it proved to be the wrong size. I have 'phoned a few shops but they
    haven't got one laying in there spares bins . I have fired an e-mail to
    "the bike station" (a community project) to see if they have such a nut
    lying about ( they are only open at weekends and Wednesdays so will have
    to wait till Saturday to pop in and see them).Hopefully someone reads
    their e-mails when the project is not open and will be able to say "yeah
    we have lots of bits lying around" or "Not the sort of thing we have"
    while dissapointing this should save me a trip into the city
    Not having a car, living in a village (Balerno)just outside the city
    (Edinburgh) and not working in the city, getting to these 'bike shops is
    a non trivial exercise. Cycled in yesterday (pinch a locknut from the
    bairns bike) to the west side periphary but do not have the confidence
    to cycle into the centre of the city on a Saturday

    --
    yours S

    Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione

  12. Bill Sornson said:
    soup said:

    Bill Sornson popped their head over the parapet saw what was going on

    Quoted message said:

    Coke can head tube?

    Nah a walking (?) advert for CC, actually had wheel discs at the back
    emblazoned with the CC logo and coloured red and white ,this bike was
    actually a competition win and appears to be made of (V-heavy) cheese
    and as such don't want to spend much money on it at all.

    http://www.sidtech.co.uk/iu/soup415049140.JPG

    Holy [censored] that's a death trap!

    No worse than some of the ones I've seen that people had to pay for;
    at least this one was just a prize. (Yes, I can hear the wheels
    turning, grinding out the retort "But when a prize is no prize, what
    is it?"😉

    Quoted message said:

    Happy Riding 🙂

    Hopefully, that will happen...
    --
    Typoes are a feature, not a bug.
    Some gardening required to reply via email.
    Words processed in a facility that contains nuts.

  13. A Muzi popped their head over the parapet saw what was going on and said

    Quoted message said:

    . Can't you find a large service shop in
    Edinburgh or Glasgow or somewhere near who can drop one in a
    letter for you?

    Ta again, hopefully this "bikestation" will have the bit I am after,
    today being Saturday and having to keep the eldest amused will take a
    "hurl" into the town and pop in to "the bikestation" and (not knowing
    what it's like inside) will either root about in the parts bin or ask a
    handy volunteer if they have the part (no answer to my e-mail 🙁 ).

    --
    yours S

    Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione

  14. soup popped their head over the parapet saw what was going on and said

    Quoted message said:

    Now to see if "Freewheelin'" in Edinburgh are nice people or profit
    maximise orientated if they are charging the earth there is allways
    EBC who might have a spare nut.

    Quoted message said:

    Aside :- Does anyone have any recomendations for 'bike shops in
    Edinburgh preferably in the west but anywhere really.

    Finally went to "the bikestation" (
    http://www.thebikestation.org.uk/ )were I was told to rake through a
    filing cabinet full of headsets ,spare nuts for same,and odds and ends
    all to do with headsets, got the nut I was looking for and was charged
    the princly sum of 10p nut was checked too by the simple expedient of
    trying a nut I had (from kids 'bike.) on a "spare" fork and seeing if
    the "new" nut fitted too.
    Have now fitted the nut to the bike and all seems well.

    --
    yours S

    Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione

  15. On Sat, 14 May 2005 12:42:47 GMT, "soup" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    soup popped their head over the parapet saw what was going on and said

    Quoted message said:

    Now to see if "Freewheelin'" in Edinburgh are nice people or profit
    maximise orientated if they are charging the earth there is allways
    EBC who might have a spare nut.

    Quoted message said:

    Aside :- Does anyone have any recomendations for 'bike shops in
    Edinburgh preferably in the west but anywhere really.

    Finally went to "the bikestation" (
    http://www.thebikestation.org.uk/ )were I was told to rake through a
    filing cabinet full of headsets ,spare nuts for same,and odds and ends
    all to do with headsets, got the nut I was looking for and was charged
    the princly sum of 10p nut was checked too by the simple expedient of
    trying a nut I had (from kids 'bike.) on a "spare" fork and seeing if
    the "new" nut fitted too.

    I'd say you've found exactly the kind of bike shop that should be
    treasured. Cheers!
    --
    Typoes are a feature, not a bug.
    Some gardening required to reply via email.
    Words processed in a facility that contains nuts.

  16. Thats the 2nd cracked nut in 50 years.

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