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As they'd not asked for assistance of any sort why did this namby pamby
system of ours insist on wasting resources "on standby". Is no one allowed
to make their own decisions anymore?"Chris Street" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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After repeatedly being asked "are you allright dear" I think I'd become a
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Gordon Burns said:
"Chris Street" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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After repeatedly being asked "are you allright dear" I think I'd become a
little abusive as well....Quoted message said:
As they'd not asked for assistance of any sort why did this namby pamby
system of ours insist on wasting resources "on standby". Is no one allowed
to make their own decisions anymore?I entirely agree that the couple were entitled to make their own
decision, but I imagine that part of the council's problem was a fear
of being sued by angry relatives later if the couple had died, or even
by the couple themselves if they'd been hurt but survived.I can easily imagine the following scene in court.
Q: Why on earth didn't you leave rescuers there on standby?
A: Well, they told us they didn't want any help so we all went home.
Q: But why did you take that at face value? Given their age and the
weather conditions, didn't you consider that they might have been
confused by hypothermia, or Alzheimer's disease?It's not difficult to envisage a finding of negligence in that sort of
situation.Best wishes,
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Gordon Burns said:
"Chris Street" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...Quoted message said:
After repeatedly being asked "are you allright dear" I think I'd become a
little abusive as well....Quoted message said:
As they'd not asked for assistance of any sort why did this namby pamby
system of ours insist on wasting resources "on standby". Is no one allowed
to make their own decisions anymore?It would appear not. Gawd help those who decide that they don't mind
snowholing in the Gorms as opposed to sticking up a tent or summat. -
Chris Street said:
Quoted message said:
As they'd not asked for assistance of any sort why did this namby pamby
system of ours insist on wasting resources "on standby". Is no one allowed
to make their own decisions anymore?It would appear not. Gawd help those who decide that they don't mind
snowholing in the Gorms as opposed to sticking up a tent or summat.To be fair, well-equipped people choosing to spend a night in a
snow-hole in the mountains is a little different from 2 elderly people
(apparently) accidentally stranded in bad weather in a (reportedly)
hazardous place on/near a cliff 🙂Best wishes,
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Peewiglet wrote on Mon, 19 Sep 2005
Quoted message said:
Gordon Burns said:
"Chris Street" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...Quoted message said:
After repeatedly being asked "are you allright dear" I think I'd become a
little abusive as well....Quoted message said:
As they'd not asked for assistance of any sort why did this namby pamby
system of ours insist on wasting resources "on standby". Is no one allowed
to make their own decisions anymore?I entirely agree that the couple were entitled to make their own
decision, but I imagine that part of the council's problem was a fear
of being sued by angry relatives later if the couple had died, or even
by the couple themselves if they'd been hurt but survived.I can easily imagine the following scene in court.
Q: Why on earth didn't you leave rescuers there on standby?
A: Well, they told us they didn't want any help so we all went home.
Q: But why did you take that at face value? Given their age and the
weather conditions, didn't you consider that they might have been
confused by hypothermia, or Alzheimer's disease?It's not difficult to envisage a finding of negligence in that sort of
situation.Do the local council (or whichever authorities involved) have any
specific duty? ISTR discovering, decades ago, that even the fire
brigade had no actual legal duty to extinguish fires.
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Iain Archer said:
Peewiglet wrote on Mon, 19 Sep 2005
Quoted message said:
Gordon Burns said:
"Chris Street" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> After repeatedly being asked "are you allright dear" I think I'd become a
> little abusive as well....
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/south_west/4255802.stmQuoted message said:
As they'd not asked for assistance of any sort why did this namby pamby
system of ours insist on wasting resources "on standby". Is no one allowed
to make their own decisions anymore?I entirely agree that the couple were entitled to make their own
decision, but I imagine that part of the council's problem was a fear
of being sued by angry relatives later if the couple had died, or even
by the couple themselves if they'd been hurt but survived.I can easily imagine the following scene in court.
Q: Why on earth didn't you leave rescuers there on standby?
A: Well, they told us they didn't want any help so we all went home.
Q: But why did you take that at face value? Given their age and the
weather conditions, didn't you consider that they might have been
confused by hypothermia, or Alzheimer's disease?It's not difficult to envisage a finding of negligence in that sort of
situation.Do the local council (or whichever authorities involved) have any
specific duty? ISTR discovering, decades ago, that even the fire
brigade had no actual legal duty to extinguish fires.The police have a legal duty to care for the wellbeing of the public which
is why they are responsible for search and rescue (and have the authority
to delegate such to the civilian and military teams) -
Peewiglet said:
Chris Street said:
Quoted message said:
As they'd not asked for assistance of any sort why did this namby pamby
system of ours insist on wasting resources "on standby". Is no one allowed
to make their own decisions anymore?It would appear not. Gawd help those who decide that they don't mind
snowholing in the Gorms as opposed to sticking up a tent or summat.To be fair, well-equipped people choosing to spend a night in a
snow-hole in the mountains is a little different from 2 elderly people
(apparently) accidentally stranded in bad weather in a (reportedly)
hazardous place on/near a cliff 🙂And that's fair enough. However after being told to bugger off by two
people in perfect control of their faculties I fail to see why they needed
to have a Sea King and whatnot wastingin time and fuel hanging around...Quoted message said:
Best wishes, -
On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 20:06:48 +0100, Iain Archer <[email hidden]>
Quoted message said:
Do the local council (or whichever authorities involved) have any
specific duty?Interesting question. I don't know whether there's a specific
statutory duty: I was thinking in terms of general negligence, and I
was assuming a duty of care: maybe there isn't one, though.Best wishes,
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Chris Street said:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
It would appear not. Gawd help those who decide that they don't mind
snowholing in the Gorms as opposed to sticking up a tent or summat.To be fair, well-equipped people choosing to spend a night in a
snow-hole in the mountains is a little different from 2 elderly people
(apparently) accidentally stranded in bad weather in a (reportedly)
hazardous place on/near a cliff 🙂And that's fair enough. However after being told to bugger off by two
people in perfect control of their faculties I fail to see why they needed
to have a Sea King and whatnot wastingin time and fuel hanging around...I think it would be necessary to know all the facts, really, before
being able to make that sort of assessment. I don't know them, but on
the basis of the limited info available I'm able to see two sides to
the dilemma.Best wishes,
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On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:43:03 +0100, Peewiglet <[email hidden]>
Quoted message said:
Chris Street said:
Quoted message said:
As they'd not asked for assistance of any sort why did this namby pamby
system of ours insist on wasting resources "on standby". Is no one allowed
to make their own decisions anymore?It would appear not. Gawd help those who decide that they don't mind
snowholing in the Gorms as opposed to sticking up a tent or summat.To be fair, well-equipped people choosing to spend a night in a
snow-hole in the mountains is a little different from 2 elderly people
(apparently) accidentally stranded in bad weather in a (reportedly)
hazardous place on/near a cliff 🙂Only two phrases give any indication of the weather:
"a lifeboat arrived in stormy weather"
and,
"it was cold and wet"I expect the weather is exagerated in these two quotes.
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Peewiglet said:
Chris Street said:
Quoted message said:
>It would appear not. Gawd help those who decide that they don't mind
>snowholing in the Gorms as opposed to sticking up a tent or summat.To be fair, well-equipped people choosing to spend a night in a
snow-hole in the mountains is a little different from 2 elderly people
(apparently) accidentally stranded in bad weather in a (reportedly)
hazardous place on/near a cliff 🙂And that's fair enough. However after being told to bugger off by two
people in perfect control of their faculties I fail to see why they needed
to have a Sea King and whatnot wastingin time and fuel hanging around...I think it would be necessary to know all the facts, really, before
being able to make that sort of assessment. I don't know them, but on
the basis of the limited info available I'm able to see two sides to
the dilemma.It's possible that they wanted to do themselves in or something, too.
That might explain both their actions and the desire of the emergency
serivces to hang about if they got an inkling that that's what they
might be planning.--
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Bertie Wiggins said:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
It would appear not. Gawd help those who decide that they don't mind
snowholing in the Gorms as opposed to sticking up a tent or summat.To be fair, well-equipped people choosing to spend a night in a
snow-hole in the mountains is a little different from 2 elderly people
(apparently) accidentally stranded in bad weather in a (reportedly)
hazardous place on/near a cliff 🙂Only two phrases give any indication of the weather:
"a lifeboat arrived in stormy weather"
and,
"it was cold and wet"I expect the weather is exagerated in these two quotes.
Um: ok.
Any other assumptions we should make?
:-)Best wishes,
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Gordon Burns said:
As they'd not asked for assistance of any sort why did this namby pamby
system of ours insist on wasting resources "on standby". Is no one allowed
to make their own decisions anymore?
I couldn't agree more."Meanwhile, police and the Dale coastguard cliff rescue team were
forced to sit and wait by the couple in difficulty for the tide to go
out. "Really? Forced by whom? Whoever it was, they should be the ones to
pay for this nonsense.S.
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On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 20:28:18 +0100, Peewiglet <[email hidden]>
Quoted message said:
I think it would be necessary to know all the facts, really, before
being able to make that sort of assessment. I don't know them, but on
the basis of the limited info available I'm able to see two sides to
the dilemma.Yes I'm sure that there are 2 sides. The BBC report attempts and
fails to give one side, but I doubt the couple involved will be in a
great hurry to give theirs ;-)S.
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Bertie Wiggins said:
Only two phrases give any indication of the weather:
"a lifeboat arrived in stormy weather"
and,
"it was cold and wet"I expect the weather is exagerated in these two quotes.
hmm I seem to remember a spell of bad weather last week here ...
But accourding to some South African paper this all happened near Dale
in North Wales, so the weather might have been totally different "up"
there.cu
mgk
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After repeatedly being asked "are you allright dear" I think I'd become a
little abusive as well....
Hard to know what to think really, without knowing the whole story.
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Chris Street said:
After repeatedly being asked "are you allright dear" I think I'd become a
little abusive as well....Just because they were 'pensioners (a code word for old? aand therefore
senile?) doesn't mean they weren't competent to make their own way. I
sounds incredibly condescending to ignore their wishes repeatedly. I
suspect the couple knew what they were doing. Gray hair does not mean
incompetence.Katherine
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Peewiglet said:
On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:25:32 +0100, "Gordon Burns"
<[email hidden]>Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
"Chris Street" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
After repeatedly being asked "are you allright dear" I think I'd
become a little abusive as well....Quoted message said:
As they'd not asked for assistance of any sort why did this namby
pamby system of ours insist on wasting resources "on standby".
Is no one allowed to make their own decisions anymore?I can easily imagine the following scene in court.
Q: Why on earth didn't you leave rescuers there on standby?
A: Well, they told us they didn't want any help so we all went home.
Q: But why did you take that at face value? Given their age and the
weatherQuoted message said:
conditions, didn't you consider that they might have been confused
by hypothermia, or Alzheimer's disease?
So just because they were old they had Alzheimer's or were confused?
Give me a break.Katherine
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Peewiglet said:
On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:36:52 +0100, Chris Street
<[email hidden]>Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
As they'd not asked for assistance of any sort why did this
namby pamby system of ours insist on wasting resources "on
standby". Is no one allowed to make their own decisions
anymore?
It would appear not. Gawd help those who decide that they don't
mind snowholing in the Gorms as opposed to sticking up a tent or
summat.To be fair, well-equipped people choosing to spend a night in a snow-hole
in the mountains is a little different from 2 elderly people
(apparently)Quoted message said:
accidentally stranded in bad weather in a (reportedly) hazardous
place on/near a cliff 🙂
Is it different because they were 'over the hill?' That is incredibly
condescending. Just beacuse they were elderly doesn't mean that they
don't know what to do.Katherine
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