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  1. Hey again guys, I have a couple more questions for you all. First of
    all, why are you allowed to eat meat liberally during induction yet
    you are limited in the vegetables that you can eat(the amounts of
    them, rather than the kinds)?

    What about artificial sweeteners? Are they alright to use? Today, I
    drank my coffee black with nothing in it, but I'm curious if I can
    start to use artificial sweeteners?

    Is there a way to tell if you are in Ketosis? How is it that to start
    you have to be under 20g of carbs for a couple of weeks? Will you be
    booted out if you have 21g? And if so, does that mean you have to
    start all over again?

    Are some soups OK? I don't see them on the Atkins acceptable foods
    page, but some have pretty low carb counts...Should I stick exactly
    with what's on that page?

    Thanks again for all your help.

    PS. Yes, I do have a book on the way!

  2. On 7 Sep 2004 17:32:42 -0700, [email hidden] (Jumpin' Jack

    Flash) said:


    Are some soups OK? I don't see them on the Atkins acceptable foods
    page, but some have pretty low carb counts...

    You can make a lowcarb soup out of canned chicken broth and shredded
    cabbage (buy it pre-shredded, the kind they use for coleslaw) and add
    some chicken (canned or fresh-cooked), sausage, beef or whatever.
    Also, commercial soups without noodles, rice or potatoes are ok like
    Progresso's escarole - but there aren't many. Read the labels for
    carbs per serving... K.

  3. In news:[email hidden],
    Jumpin' Jack Flash <[email hidden]> stated
    | Hey again guys, I have a couple more questions for you all. First of
    | all, why are you allowed to eat meat liberally during induction yet
    | you are limited in the vegetables that you can eat(the amounts of
    | them, rather than the kinds)?

    Because most meat has no carbs, veggies have some, not all the same amount
    so you need to stick those with lower carbs.

    | What about artificial sweeteners? Are they alright to use? Today, I
    | drank my coffee black with nothing in it, but I'm curious if I can
    | start to use artificial sweeteners?

    Yes, some people have various problems with aspartame, most get along with
    sucralose aka Splenda. Sugar alcohols are a different thing, they have some
    carbs though less than sugar and some have laxative effects.
    |
    | Is there a way to tell if you are in Ketosis? How is it that to start
    | you have to be under 20g of carbs for a couple of weeks? Will you be
    | booted out if you have 21g? And if so, does that mean you have to
    | start all over again?

    Ketostix can measure the ketones in your urine. Some people get bad breath
    from ketosis or a strange taste in their mouth. The 20g is Atkins
    induction, you can get into ketosis with more than 21. It is frankly
    impossible to exactly count the carbs you eat, if you measure everything
    you'll get more accurate but particularly with produce there are some
    natural variations in carb content, however, ballparking it will do. Most
    people will be in ketosis with 50 or even up to 100. In their Protein Power
    book the Eades start you out at 30.
    |
    | Are some soups OK? I don't see them on the Atkins acceptable foods
    | page, but some have pretty low carb counts...Should I stick exactly
    | with what's on that page?

    Yes, if they are within the carb counts they should work. However,
    commercial canned soups usually have thickeners, etc., that boost the carb
    count. You could make your own soups with the approved meats and veggies.
    |
    | Thanks again for all your help.
    |
    | PS. Yes, I do have a book on the way!

  4. "Jumpin' Jack Flash" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hey again guys, I have a couple more questions for you all. First of
    all, why are you allowed to eat meat liberally during induction yet
    you are limited in the vegetables that you can eat(the amounts of
    them, rather than the kinds)?

    the types of veggies are limited because some are high carb (like carrots or
    onions)

    Quoted message said:


    What about artificial sweeteners? Are they alright to use? Today, I
    drank my coffee black with nothing in it, but I'm curious if I can
    start to use artificial sweeteners?

    splenda, but i don't drink coffee so i don't know how it is

    Quoted message said:


    Is there a way to tell if you are in Ketosis? How is it that to start
    you have to be under 20g of carbs for a couple of weeks? Will you be
    booted out if you have 21g? And if so, does that mean you have to
    start all over again?

    Are some soups OK? I don't see them on the Atkins acceptable foods
    page, but some have pretty low carb counts...Should I stick exactly
    with what's on that page?

    i would make your own soup.

    Quoted message said:


    Thanks again for all your help.

    PS. Yes, I do have a book on the way!

    wait till you get the book, read it then start. don't waste your time trying
    to piece it together and not know what you're doing.

  5. (Jumpin' Jack Flash) said:

    First of all, why are you allowed to eat meat liberally during
    induction yet you are limited in the vegetables that you can eat(the
    amounts of them, rather than the kinds)?

    The purpose of Induction is to clean the stored carbs out of your
    system. It is NOT to lose weight! Thus, the key factor is how many
    carbs you eat, and nothing else. Meat has no carbs, so you can eat
    all you want. Vegetables have carbs, so you have to limit them.

    Once you're done with the two week Induction, your body has switched
    to a fat-burning metabolism and you start OWL, where you start
    limiting all foods you eat (calories) and can start increasing the
    vegetables you eat (until your CCLL).

    Quoted message said:

    What about artificial sweeteners?

    It depends on how they interact with you. Splenda and erythritol seem
    to be the safe ones, but you have to try and see.

    Quoted message said:

    Is there a way to tell if you are in Ketosis?

    You stop being hungry. Ketostix show pink. You've just lost 5-10 lbs
    of water weight.

    Quoted message said:

    How is it that to start you have to be under 20g of carbs for a
    couple of weeks?

    Your body burns stored carbs at a given rate (your CCLL), and stores
    about 100g in your liver. You need to flush that out to enter
    ketosis. The more carbs you eat, the longer it takes to flush. Since
    most people feel rotten during the initial transition, getting it over
    quickly is a Good Thing.

    So, 20g is enough to get proper nutrition through salad veggies, but
    small enough to flush your liver quickly.

    Quoted message said:

    Will you be booted out if you have 21g?

    No.

    Quoted message said:

    Are some soups OK? I don't see them on the Atkins acceptable foods
    page, but some have pretty low carb counts...Should I stick exactly
    with what's on that page?

    You can eat things that are made from things on that page. For the
    first two weeks, avoid anything artificial if you can, because some
    artificial things have bad side effects for some people when LCing.
    You want the first two weeks to go well so you'll be psyched about the
    rest of the diet.

  6. "FOB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    In news:[email hidden],
    Jumpin' Jack Flash <[email hidden]> stated
    | Hey again guys, I have a couple more questions for you all. First of
    | all, why are you allowed to eat meat liberally during induction yet
    | you are limited in the vegetables that you can eat(the amounts of
    | them, rather than the kinds)?

    Because most meat has no carbs, veggies have some, not all the same amount
    so you need to stick those with lower carbs.

    | What about artificial sweeteners? Are they alright to use? Today, I
    | drank my coffee black with nothing in it, but I'm curious if I can
    | start to use artificial sweeteners?

    Yes, some people have various problems with aspartame, most get along with
    sucralose aka Splenda. Sugar alcohols are a different thing, they have some
    carbs though less than sugar and some have laxative effects.
    |
    | Is there a way to tell if you are in Ketosis? How is it that to start
    | you have to be under 20g of carbs for a couple of weeks? Will you be
    | booted out if you have 21g? And if so, does that mean you have to
    | start all over again?

    Ketostix can measure the ketones in your urine. Some people get bad breath
    from ketosis or a strange taste in their mouth. The 20g is Atkins
    induction, you can get into ketosis with more than 21. It is frankly
    impossible to exactly count the carbs you eat, if you measure everything
    you'll get more accurate but particularly with produce there are some
    natural variations in carb content, however, ballparking it will do. Most
    people will be in ketosis with 50 or even up to 100. In their Protein Power
    book the Eades start you out at 30.

    Is there a loose timeline for how long it takes for your body to go
    into ketosis mode? I've been 5 days of being under 20g of carbs, so I
    wonder if I could be already. I've also been walking 3+ miles a day,
    does exercise make a difference with how one goes into ketosis?

  7. It's when your body has used up its store of glycogen in the liver. Yes, you
    are probably in ketosis. Yes, exercise makes a difference as it uses up the
    glycogen faster.

    In news:[email hidden],
    Jumpin' Jack Flash <[email hidden]> stated
    |
    | Is there a loose timeline for how long it takes for your body to go
    | into ketosis mode? I've been 5 days of being under 20g of carbs, so I
    | wonder if I could be already. I've also been walking 3+ miles a day,
    | does exercise make a difference with how one goes into ketosis?

  8. On 8 Sep 2004 11:21:02 -0700, [email hidden] (Jumpin' Jack

    Flash) said:

    Is there a loose timeline for how long it takes for your body to go
    into ketosis mode?

    Normally within 48 hours or so.

    Quoted message said:

    I've been 5 days of being under 20g of carbs, so I
    wonder if I could be already.

    Yes, you should be. Has your appetite decreased yet? Do you notice
    any other changes in the way you feel?

    Quoted message said:

    I've also been walking 3+ miles a day,
    does exercise make a difference with how one goes into ketosis?

    Exercise depletes glycogen stores. So, yes, it can.

  9. DJ Delorie <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    (Jumpin' Jack Flash) said:

    First of all, why are you allowed to eat meat liberally during
    induction yet you are limited in the vegetables that you can eat(the
    amounts of them, rather than the kinds)?

    The purpose of Induction is to clean the stored carbs out of your
    system. It is NOT to lose weight! Thus, the key factor is how many
    carbs you eat, and nothing else. Meat has no carbs, so you can eat
    all you want. Vegetables have carbs, so you have to limit them.

    If the purpose of induction is to get rid of stored carbs, then why
    does it last for at least 2 weeks? After a the first few days of
    induction, your body is in ketosis and burning stored fat, not carbs.

    Induction is to get into ketosis, start the weight loss process, and
    eliminate cravings caused by consumption of excess carbs.

    Quoted message said:


    Once you're done with the two week Induction, your body has switched
    to a fat-burning metabolism and you start OWL, where you start
    limiting all foods you eat (calories) and can start increasing the
    vegetables you eat (until your CCLL).

    Quoted message said:

    What about artificial sweeteners?

    It depends on how they interact with you. Splenda and erythritol seem
    to be the safe ones, but you have to try and see.

    Quoted message said:

    Is there a way to tell if you are in Ketosis?

    You stop being hungry. Ketostix show pink. You've just lost 5-10 lbs
    of water weight.

    Quoted message said:

    How is it that to start you have to be under 20g of carbs for a
    couple of weeks?

    Your body burns stored carbs at a given rate (your CCLL), and stores
    about 100g in your liver. You need to flush that out to enter
    ketosis. The more carbs you eat, the longer it takes to flush. Since
    most people feel rotten during the initial transition, getting it over
    quickly is a Good Thing.

    So, 20g is enough to get proper nutrition through salad veggies, but
    small enough to flush your liver quickly.

    Quoted message said:

    Will you be booted out if you have 21g?

    No.

    Quoted message said:

    Are some soups OK? I don't see them on the Atkins acceptable foods
    page, but some have pretty low carb counts...Should I stick exactly
    with what's on that page?

    You can eat things that are made from things on that page. For the
    first two weeks, avoid anything artificial if you can, because some
    artificial things have bad side effects for some people when LCing.
    You want the first two weeks to go well so you'll be psyched about the
    rest of the diet.

  10. Chet Hayes wrote:
    || DJ Delorie <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    || news:<[email hidden]>...
    ||| [email hidden] (Jumpin' Jack Flash) writes:
    |||| First of all, why are you allowed to eat meat liberally during
    |||| induction yet you are limited in the vegetables that you can
    |||| eat(the
    |||| amounts of them, rather than the kinds)?
    |||
    ||| The purpose of Induction is to clean the stored carbs out of your
    ||| system. It is NOT to lose weight! Thus, the key factor is how many
    ||| carbs you eat, and nothing else. Meat has no carbs, so you can eat
    ||| all you want. Vegetables have carbs, so you have to limit them.
    ||
    || If the purpose of induction is to get rid of stored carbs, then why
    || does it last for at least 2 weeks? After a the first few days of
    || induction, your body is in ketosis and burning stored fat, not carbs.
    ||
    || Induction is to get into ketosis, start the weight loss process, and
    || eliminate cravings caused by consumption of excess carbs.

    What about elimination of food intolerances? For most people, it is easier
    at first to not worry about losing weight while on induction (that is, not
    worry about limiting how much you eat), since they have to deal with the
    "carb flu" and adjustments in energy levels, etc. Once the appetite
    suppression sets in, and the cravings for carbs has left, then the active
    weight loss phase begins. Of course, many people will find that they can
    lose weight during induction.

    When you think about it, induction is not need to get into ketosis, to start
    the weight loss process, and or to eliminate carb cravings. All of that can
    be done with higher carb levels than 20 g without food restrctions.
    However, the restricted food list does serve - uniquely, I think - to
    address the food tolerance issues that many people have without realizing
    it.

    ||
    ||
    ||
    |||
    ||| Once you're done with the two week Induction, your body has switched
    ||| to a fat-burning metabolism and you start OWL, where you start
    ||| limiting all foods you eat (calories) and can start increasing the
    ||| vegetables you eat (until your CCLL).
    |||
    |||| What about artificial sweeteners?
    |||
    ||| It depends on how they interact with you. Splenda and erythritol
    ||| seem
    ||| to be the safe ones, but you have to try and see.
    |||
    |||| Is there a way to tell if you are in Ketosis?
    |||
    ||| You stop being hungry. Ketostix show pink. You've just lost 5-10
    ||| lbs
    ||| of water weight.
    |||
    |||| How is it that to start you have to be under 20g of carbs for a
    |||| couple of weeks?
    |||
    ||| Your body burns stored carbs at a given rate (your CCLL), and stores
    ||| about 100g in your liver. You need to flush that out to enter
    ||| ketosis. The more carbs you eat, the longer it takes to flush.
    ||| Since
    ||| most people feel rotten during the initial transition, getting it
    ||| over
    ||| quickly is a Good Thing.
    |||
    ||| So, 20g is enough to get proper nutrition through salad veggies, but
    ||| small enough to flush your liver quickly.
    |||
    |||| Will you be booted out if you have 21g?
    |||
    ||| No.
    |||
    |||| Are some soups OK? I don't see them on the Atkins acceptable foods
    |||| page, but some have pretty low carb counts...Should I stick exactly
    |||| with what's on that page?
    |||
    ||| You can eat things that are made from things on that page. For the
    ||| first two weeks, avoid anything artificial if you can, because some
    ||| artificial things have bad side effects for some people when LCing.
    ||| You want the first two weeks to go well so you'll be psyched about
    ||| the
    ||| rest of the diet.

  11. [email hidden] (Jumpin' Jack Flash) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Another question for you guys: what happens if you get out of ketosis
    for a day on your induction? Say if you drink beer or something...?
    Is that a big setback or easily corrected by another couple of days?

  12. Jumpin' Jack Flash wrote:
    || [email hidden] (Jumpin' Jack Flash) wrote in message
    || news:<[email hidden]>...
    ||
    || Another question for you guys: what happens if you get out of
    || ketosis
    || for a day on your induction? Say if you drink beer or something...?
    || Is that a big setback or easily corrected by another couple of days?

    Assuming you get out (a single beer may not do it depending on your
    activity level), you can just resume where you left off. But try to stick
    out the entire time without going off. It's good practice.

  13. [email hidden] (Jumpin' Jack Flash) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] (Jumpin' Jack Flash) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Another question for you guys: what happens if you get out of ketosis
    for a day on your induction? Say if you drink beer or something...?
    Is that a big setback or easily corrected by another couple of days?

    Perhaps if you can't go without a beer for 2 weeks of induction, you
    should be in another support group.

  14. [email hidden] (Chet Hayes) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] (Jumpin' Jack Flash) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] (Jumpin' Jack Flash) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Another question for you guys: what happens if you get out of ketosis
    for a day on your induction? Say if you drink beer or something...?
    Is that a big setback or easily corrected by another couple of days?

    Perhaps if you can't go without a beer for 2 weeks of induction, you
    should be in another support group.

    Actually, it is quite possible to drink alcohol on a very low carb
    diet (I don't know about "Atkins" per se) and lose weight. Just be
    aware that alcohol does have 7 calories per gram.

    I normally make drinks from vodka and some artificially sweetened
    mixer such as Crystal Light, or rum and diet Coke, but there are
    several low carb beers and malt liquor drinks available.

    For beer, I like Aspen Edge or Rolling Rock's Green Light. Avoid
    Michelobe Ultra - it has no flavor. For malt beverages try Thin Ice
    or MIke's Light Lemonade.

  15. [email hidden] (Puppydawg) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] (Chet Hayes) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] (Jumpin' Jack Flash) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] (Jumpin' Jack Flash) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Another question for you guys: what happens if you get out of ketosis
    for a day on your induction? Say if you drink beer or something...?
    Is that a big setback or easily corrected by another couple of days?

    Perhaps if you can't go without a beer for 2 weeks of induction, you
    should be in another support group.

    Actually, it is quite possible to drink alcohol on a very low carb
    diet (I don't know about "Atkins" per se) and lose weight. Just be
    aware that alcohol does have 7 calories per gram.

    I normally make drinks from vodka and some artificially sweetened
    mixer such as Crystal Light, or rum and diet Coke, but there are
    several low carb beers and malt liquor drinks available.

    For beer, I like Aspen Edge or Rolling Rock's Green Light. Avoid
    Michelobe Ultra - it has no flavor. For malt beverages try Thin Ice
    or MIke's Light Lemonade.

    Sure it's possible, but the question was how it affects you when on
    induction. Anyone that can't go without alcohol for a minimum of two
    weeks on induction is either a troll or has a drinking problem.

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