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  1. How much of your diabetes care are you supposed to pay for directly?

    I have to pay 80 skr ( ca US$ 8 or £ 6) everytime I see the diabetes nurse. Phone consultations are
    free. (I have one a week)

    I had to pay 100 skr (ca $10 £7.50 ) för the accu-chek BG meter, the rest is subsudised. I don´t
    have to pay at all for the lancets or the BG test strips.

    When it comes to insulin (I have been prescibed it already so I can start using it as soon as the
    diabetes team thinks I should) I have to pay for the insuline and the insuline pen (I don´t know how
    much yet) but not for the needles.

    Monthly Hba1c tests (when they also do urine test) is free.

    I feel I am fortunate to live in Sweden where health care is tax finansed. What is it like
    where you live?

    /Erika

    The first ten years of your life you try to be just like your parents. Then for then years you try
    to be as little as your parents as possible. Then you gradually change in to them.

  2. Erika said:

    How much of your diabetes care are you supposed to pay for directly?

    I have to pay 80 skr ( ca US$ 8 or £ 6) everytime I see the diabetes nurse. Phone consultations are
    free. (I have one a week)

    I had to pay 100 skr (ca $10 £7.50 ) för the accu-chek BG meter, the rest is subsudised. I don´t
    have to pay at all for the lancets or the BG test strips.

    When it comes to insulin (I have been prescibed it already so I can start using it as soon as the
    diabetes team thinks I should) I have to pay for the insuline and the insuline pen (I don´t know
    how much yet) but not for the needles.

    Monthly Hba1c tests (when they also do urine test) is free.

    I feel I am fortunate to live in Sweden where health care is tax finansed. What is it like where
    you live?

    /Erika

    The first ten years of your life you try to be just like your parents. Then for then years you try
    to be as little as your parents as possible. Then you gradually change in to them.

    Hi Erika

    You may get a flood of applications for immigration from that post :-)

    In Australia the costs vary depending on circumstances.

    If you have been diagnosed as a diabetic you are accepted into the National Diabetes Services
    Scheme (NDSS). This is a federal government initiative administered by Diabetes Australia (DA).
    Although I disagree with some DA ideas, particularly on diet, whoever set up this system has my
    grateful thanks.

    It is remarkably visionary for any government to realise that doing everything they can to improve
    diabetes control will reduce greater health costs in years to come. That is common sense, but it is
    rare to find that in politics and bureaucracy.

    Like most Australians I was completely unaware of this until after I was diagnosed. I don't even
    know which political mob I should be thanking. More likely some medical bureaucrat; amazing.
    Hopefully no government bean counters will see this and try to change it :-(

    An example: Prices in AU$. To convert, AU$10.00=US$7.00= £4.00= skr 700=euros 6.00

    An accu chek Active costs between $35 and $90 from a chemist; subsidised to a few dollars if you are
    in private health insurance. I am, with top hospital and medical cover for $160 per month. Of
    course, most other meters are also available.

    Doctor's visits are free if you attend a "bulk-bill" doctor using Federal Medicare (no relation to
    US medicare). If you choose a different doctor then the bill can be between 15% to 100% of the fee,
    which is generally about $40, which I can also claim on insurance.

    Accu-chek strips (pk 50) cost different prices as follows: General public: $25.00. NDSS member (all
    diagnosed diabetics): $6.35. NDSS + low income card: $1.00. NDSS + pension card: $0.50. Special
    "Safety Net": free.

    Just recently, as I am an ex-serviceman, the DVA accepted cover for my diabetes so some of my costs
    are further covered by them.

    All insulin syringes etc are free. I think insulin is also free, but I could be wrong. Urine strips
    similar to accu-chek strips. Pump consumables, packs of 30, $15.00

    Drugs are subsidised through the pharmaceutical benefits scheme, costs vary between $3.60
    (pensioners) to about $25 per prescription.

    All my pathology is free through Medicare, provided it was prescribed by a doctor. Similar for
    specialist visits, although for some of them I have to pay the difference between what Medicare
    approve and their higher rate.

    Immigration laws are very strict :-)

    Cheers Alan, T2, Oz dx May 2002, diet and exercise.
    --
    Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

  3. Well, I pay $10 for a WalMart meter, and $40 /100- for strips

    I buy my glucophage in the EU, or I would have to pay about $80/month for it if I bought it here,
    WAY down from what it used to cost - my Insulin costs me $28/vial for Lente, and $17/vial for
    regular. If I were to use the analogs - they would be more than three times as much. I also buy
    WalMart, which is MUCH cheaper than anyone else.- elsewhere, Regular costs $28 too

    If I were to try some of the other orals, they would be as much as 5-6 times what glucophage costs.

    A visit with the doctors office is about $80 per visit PA, nurse, or doctor - but CAN cost more
    - I only go when i am actively ill. Labs tend to ruin about $100 I try to only have them done
    once a year.

    I reuse lancets and needles, so that cost is negligible.

    Luckily,other than diabetes, I only have to take medicine for my high blood pressure. and occasional
    antibiotics

    Erika said:


    How much of your diabetes care are you supposed to pay for directly?

    I have to pay 80 skr ( ca US$ 8 or £ 6) everytime I see the diabetes nurse. Phone consultations
    are free. (I have one a week)

    I had to pay 100 skr (ca $10 £7.50 ) för the accu-chek BG meter, the rest is subsudised. I don´t
    have to pay at all for the lancets or the BG test strips.

    When it comes to insulin (I have been prescibed it already so I can start using it as soon as the
    diabetes team thinks I should) I have to pay for the insuline and the insuline pen (I don´t know
    how much yet) but not for the needles.

    Monthly Hba1c tests (when they also do urine test) is free.

    I feel I am fortunate to live in Sweden where health care is tax finansed. What is it like where
    you live?

    /Erika

    The first ten years of your life you try to be just like your parents. Then for then years you try
    to be as little as your parents as possible. Then you gradually change in to them.

  4. "Erika" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    How much of your diabetes care are you supposed to pay for directly?

    Not a lot in truth.

    Quoted message said:

    I have to pay 80 skr ( ca US$ 8 or £ 6) everytime I see the diabetes nurse. Phone consultations
    are free. (I have one a week)

    I don't pay anything to see anyone about anything health related.

    Quoted message said:


    I had to pay 100 skr (ca $10 £7.50 ) för the accu-chek BG meter, the rest is subsudised.

    We normally have to buy our own meters too, but with a little "arm twisting", the diabetes clinics
    can be "persuaded" to part with them for free. Not hat it's worth the effort really, because they
    onlt cost about what you paid for yours. Test srips are prescription, so that'swhen some of us hit a
    problem. SOME doctors will prescribe as amny as you want, and some have a hard time prescribing ANY.
    Many on here have a limited supply due to their doctors attitude.

    I don´t have to pay at all for the lancets or the

    Quoted message said:

    BG test strips.

    Nor me.

    Quoted message said:


    When it comes to insulin (I have been prescibed it already so I can start using it as soon as the
    diabetes team thinks I should) I have to pay for the insuline and the insuline pen (I don´t know
    how much yet) but not for the needles.

    I got my first 2 pens off a drugs rep (Novo) and I've not paid for one yet:-) Insulin isn't
    charged for and now, needles for pens are available on prescription too, so they cost nothing at
    the pharmacy.

    Quoted message said:


    Monthly Hba1c tests (when they also do urine test) is free.

    We don't get monthly A1c's, but I don't think they're necessary for a "non pregnant" diabetic
    anyway. I'm happy with my 6 monthly check, but they're cost free when I have them.

    Quoted message said:


    I feel I am fortunate to live in Sweden where health care is tax finansed. What is it like where
    you live?

    As a diabetic in the UK, we not only get free diabetic care, but ALL precription charges are waived
    from the moment we're diagnosed as a "medicated" diabetic. Those with diabetes controlled by diet
    and exercise aren't in the same position. Gestational diabetics get everything free though (although
    "free" is the wrong world, because the cost is taken from our National Insurance payments which we
    make each week/month)

    Beav

  5. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Erika said:

    How much of your diabetes care are you supposed to pay for directly?

    I have to pay 80 skr ( ca US$ 8 or £ 6) everytime I see the diabetes nurse. Phone consultations
    are free. (I have one a week)

    I had to pay 100 skr (ca $10 £7.50 ) för the accu-chek BG meter, the rest is subsudised. I don´t
    have to pay at all for the lancets or the BG test strips.

    When it comes to insulin (I have been prescibed it already so I can start using it as soon as the
    diabetes team thinks I should) I have to pay for the insuline and the insuline pen (I don´t know
    how much yet) but not for the needles.

    Monthly Hba1c tests (when they also do urine test) is free.

    I feel I am fortunate to live in Sweden where health care is tax finansed. What is it like where
    you live?

    It only feels "free". Chances are, what you "save" in direct medical costs, compared to a free-
    market system, is far more than offset by the massive taxes you must pay to support this scam.

    Nothing is free. Everything has to be paid for somehow. The more
    indirect the method of payment, the higher the actual cost will be.

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  6. "Erika" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    How much of your diabetes care are you supposed to pay for directly?

    That depends on what country you live in, what type of insurance you have, etc. In the USA, the
    plans vary widely and not everyone has insurance. If you have none, you would pay for all of it.

    Quoted message said:

    I have to pay 80 skr ( ca US$ 8 or £ 6) everytime I see the diabetes nurse. Phone consultations
    are free. (I have one a week)

    You are lucky that you can get free phone consultations. Some of my Drs. will take phone calls, but
    I've had some in the past who would not.

    Quoted message said:


    I had to pay 100 skr (ca $10 £7.50 ) för the accu-chek BG meter, the rest is subsudised. I don´t
    have to pay at all for the lancets or the BG test strips.

    When it comes to insulin (I have been prescibed it already so I can start using it as soon as the
    diabetes team thinks I should) I have to pay for the insuline and the insuline pen (I don´t know
    how much yet) but not for the needles.

    Monthly Hba1c tests (when they also do urine test) is free.

    I feel I am fortunate to live in Sweden where health care is tax finansed. What is it like where
    you live?

    I have insurance through the military. Currently how it works varies depending on where I live and
    the type of plan I choose, although they are working to make the plans standardized.

    When I became pregnant, I lived on a military base in another state. I could go to the medical
    facility on base for free and all prescriptions were free, if filled on base. However, the hours
    they were open were not very convenient and the pharmacy carried a much smaller variety of things
    than an outside pharmacy would.

    When I became pregnant, the military facility would no longer see me because they had no Ob/Gyn or
    specialists. So I went to the outside for those. My insurance is such that 100% of everything during
    the pregnancy is free. And I think there was some sort of clause for "well baby care" that covered
    100% of a few things for the first few months after the baby was born. I may be wrong on this,
    because I had my baby over 5 years ago.

    Currently, my plan is such that I pay 20%, not of what the Dr. charges, but what my insurance deems
    is the amount the Dr. should charge for this specific service. Now there are some things that are
    not covered at all. I have an actual handbook (paperback sized) that spells this all out. I also
    have a $350 per person deductible and a $1000 per family per year catastrophic cap. That means that
    I must pay the first $350 for myself and the first $350 for my daughter, myself. After that, we pay
    only 20% for medical. Prescriptions are $9 for 90 day supply up until we've paid out the $1000 out
    of pocket. Once we've paid that, prescriptions are free and all medical is free.

    My plan is also such that I can see whatever Dr. I want, so long as they take my insurance. There is
    another plan available to me that is like an HMO. With that plan, I could only see certain Drs. on a
    list and could not see specialists unless I had a referral. This plan used to have a co-pay ($10
    each time) I think, and the prescriptions were still $9 for 90 day supply. I did not want this plan,
    mainly because of the referrals. This could mean waiting a long time to see a specialist, or being
    denied if you thought you needed a specialist.

    I could go to a military facility and be seen for free, so long as it was a facility that sees
    dependants. In this area there are none. The only military facilities here are small and they see
    only the military people.

    When I lived in Cape Cod, my Dr. told me to get a mammogram. My options were to go out of state to a
    military hospital where it would be free. Or I could go to the local radiology place and pay for it
    all myself. My insurance would not cover it because I was under the age of 40 (or was it 45?) and
    the Dr. found no specific reason to do it. Had there been a lump or some such thing, it would have
    been covered.

    I had the mammogram done at the local facility and paid for it. The technician then said that since
    I was young, my breast tissue was too dense and she couldn't get a good reading. So a second
    mammogram had to be done at a later date. She also said I should not have had the first one done to
    begin with! The next time, the insurance did cover the mammogram, although the same deductible
    applied, because this was a follow-up.

    My insurance can be confusing at times. I guess that's why they wrote a book about it.

    --
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  7. Erika said:


    I feel I am fortunate to live in Sweden where health care is tax finansed. What is it like where
    you live?

    How much tax do you pay?

    --
    K'neH'a'Iw

    Uncloaking, Shields up.

  8. Bob Blaylock said:
    In article said:

    How much of your diabetes care are you supposed to pay for directly?

    I have to pay 80 skr ( ca US$ 8 or £ 6) everytime I see the diabetes nurse. Phone consultations
    are free. (I have one a week)

    I had to pay 100 skr (ca $10 £7.50 ) för the accu-chek BG meter, the rest is subsudised. I don´t
    have to pay at all for the lancets or the BG test strips.

    When it comes to insulin (I have been prescibed it already so I can start using it as soon as the
    diabetes team thinks I should) I have to pay for the insuline and the insuline pen (I don´t know
    how much yet) but not for the needles.

    Monthly Hba1c tests (when they also do urine test) is free.

    I feel I am fortunate to live in Sweden where health care is tax finansed. What is it like where
    you live?

    It only feels "free". Chances are, what you "save" in direct medical costs, compared to a free-
    market system, is far more than offset by the massive taxes you must pay to support this scam.

    Nothing is free. Everything has to be paid for somehow. The more
    indirect the method of payment, the higher the actual cost will be.

    This was not going to be a thread about political systems. But as you started,. I am happy to pay
    taxes as well. I see them go to brilliant things every day.

    /Erika

    The first ten years of your life you try to be just like your parents. Then for then years you try
    to be as little as your parents as possible. Then you gradually change in to them.

  9. Julie Bove said:

    That depends on what country you live in, what type of insurance you have, etc. In the USA, the
    plans vary widely and not everyone has insurance. If you have none, you would pay for all of it.

    Unless you qualify for Medicaid and you may pay little or nothing.
    --
    K'neH'a'Iw

    Uncloaking, Shields up.

  10. Bob Blaylock said:


    Quoted message said:

    I feel I am fortunate to live in Sweden where health care is tax finansed. What is it like where
    you live?

    It only feels "free". Chances are, what you "save" in direct medical costs, compared to a free-
    market system, is far more than offset by the massive taxes you must pay to support this scam.

    Nothing is free. Everything has to be paid for somehow. The more
    indirect the method of payment, the higher the actual cost will be.

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    The cost may be higher (it isn't) but nobody in Sweden or the UK or Canada is left to fend for
    themselves because they can't pay.

    Right now, Canadian doctors could offer surgical procedures to Americans for significanly less than
    they pay in the US, and turn a profit while doing it. Some politicos feel this is a good way to
    generate income for the Canadian health care system. Only problem is, it's illegal with the law the
    way it is now (except for day surgeries). Americans flock to private MRI labs in Canada because the
    cost is so much less. Few Canadians use the service, even though wait times are long.

    I thank the dieties every day I don't live in the US.

    Vicki

  11. "Ted Rosenberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Well, I pay $10 for a WalMart meter, and $40 /100- for strips

    I buy my glucophage in the EU, or I would have to pay about $80/month for it if I bought it here,
    WAY down from what it used to cost - my Insulin costs me $28/vial for Lente, and $17/vial for
    regular. If I were to use the analogs - they would be more than three times as much. I also buy
    WalMart, which is MUCH cheaper than anyone else.- elsewhere, Regular costs $28 too

    If I were to try some of the other orals, they would be as much as 5-6 times what
    glucophage costs.

    A visit with the doctors office is about $80 per visit PA, nurse, or doctor - but CAN cost more
    - I only go when i am actively ill. Labs tend to ruin about $100 I try to only have them done
    once a year.

    I reuse lancets and needles, so that cost is negligible.

    Luckily,other than diabetes, I only have to take medicine for my high blood pressure. and
    occasional antibiotics

    Here in Norway (I guess it's pretty much like sweeden), you have to pay to see the doc and that is
    about 20$. The doc will write prescriptions for hatever you need and when you have a chronic disease
    the doc will write it on a blue piece of paper. With the blue prescription you get everything at a
    reduced price (Glucopahge is about 4$).

    When you have used doc's, medication, needles and bloodwork for about 190$ you get a freecard, which
    means that everything becomes free..

    I guess the 40% tax is good for something but on the other hand, a Dodge Caravan would cost about 70
    000$, 1 litre of milk is 1,25$, 1 litre of gassoline 1,25$ etc.. so I guess something is cheaper and
    most other things is more expensive. Most norwegians living close to the sweedish border do their
    shopping there, including me, it's like shopping at 50% off ;o)

    Steinar

  12. K'neH'a'Iw said:
    Erika said:


    I feel I am fortunate to live in Sweden where health care is tax finansed. What is it like where
    you live?

    How much tax do you pay?

    My grosse income is around 27 000 dollars annually and I pay 34 per cent tax.

    /Erika

    The first ten years of your life you try to be just like your parents. Then for then years you try
    to be as little as your parents as possible. Then you gradually change in to them.

  13. Bob Blaylock said this...

    Quoted message said:

    It only feels "free". Chances are, what you "save" in direct medical costs, compared to a free-
    market system, is far more than offset by the massive taxes you must pay to support this scam.

    Nothing is free. Everything has to be paid for somehow. The more
    indirect the method of payment, the higher the actual cost will be.


    Drivel.

    The UK NHS costs per capita less than the US spends on healthcare. And nobody gets left behind or
    bankrupted.

    Stop screaming "SOCIALISM!" at everything you don't understand. Bulk purchasing services will always
    be cheaper than retailing the same services one at a time. Or don't you believe in using
    supermarkets either? Is Wal-Mart a Socialist conspiracy too?

    Idiot.

    Ratty
    --
    Broadcast me a joyful noise

    www.flyingrat.net

  14. "Bob Blaylock" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    In article said:

    How much of your diabetes care are you supposed to pay for directly?

    I have to pay 80 skr ( ca US$ 8 or £ 6) everytime I see the diabetes nurse. Phone consultations
    are free. (I have one a week)

    I had to pay 100 skr (ca $10 £7.50 ) för the accu-chek BG meter, the rest is subsudised. I don´t
    have to pay at all for the lancets or the BG test strips.

    When it comes to insulin (I have been prescibed it already so I can start using it as soon as
    the diabetes team thinks I should) I have to pay for the insuline and the insuline pen (I don´t
    know how much yet) but not for the needles.

    Monthly Hba1c tests (when they also do urine test) is free.

    I feel I am fortunate to live in Sweden where health care is tax finansed. What is it like where
    you live?

    It only feels "free". Chances are, what you "save" in direct medical costs, compared to a free-
    market system, is far more than offset by the massive taxes you must pay to support this scam.

    Nothing is free. Everything has to be paid for somehow. The more
    indirect the method of payment, the higher the actual cost will be.

    What are you? Some kind of right wing republican fascist?

    The United States needs a single payer "Medicare for All" medical system. We have to eliminate greed
    from medical care. PJ

  15. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Vicki Beausoleil said:

    Right now, Canadian doctors could offer surgical procedures to Americans for significanly less
    than they pay in the US, and turn a profit while doing it. Some politicos feel this is a good way
    to generate income for the Canadian health care system. Only problem is, it's illegal with the law
    the way it is now (except for day surgeries). Americans flock to private MRI labs in Canada
    because the cost is so much less. Few Canadians use the service, even though wait times are long.

    On the other hand, medical providers in our northern states get quite
    a bit of business from the wealthier Canadians, who've found that they
    get exactly what they pay for from Canada's "free" health care system.

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  16. amen!

    "Peanutjake" <[email hidden]> wrote in message -"]news:[email hidden]-
    berlin.de...

    Quoted message said:


    "Bob Blaylock" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:BobHatesSpam-
    [email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    In article said:

    How much of your diabetes care are you supposed to pay for directly?

    I have to pay 80 skr ( ca US$ 8 or £ 6) everytime I see the diabetes nurse. Phone
    consultations are free. (I have one a week)

    I had to pay 100 skr (ca $10 £7.50 ) för the accu-chek BG meter, the rest is subsudised. I
    don´t have to pay at all for the lancets or the BG test strips.

    When it comes to insulin (I have been prescibed it already so I can start using it as soon as
    the diabetes team thinks I should) I have to pay for the insuline and the insuline pen (I
    don´t know how much yet) but not for the needles.

    Monthly Hba1c tests (when they also do urine test) is free.

    I feel I am fortunate to live in Sweden where health care is tax finansed. What is it like
    where you live?

    It only feels "free". Chances are, what you "save" in direct medical costs, compared to a free-
    market system, is far more than offset by the massive taxes you must pay to support this scam.

    Nothing is free. Everything has to be paid for somehow. The more
    indirect the method of payment, the higher the actual cost will be.

    What are you? Some kind of right wing republican fascist?

    The United States needs a single payer "Medicare for All" medical system. We have to eliminate
    greed from medical care. PJ

  17. Bob Blaylock said:


    In article said:

    Right now, Canadian doctors could offer surgical procedures to Americans for significanly less
    than they pay in the US, and turn a profit while doing it. Some politicos feel this is a good
    way to generate income for the Canadian health care system. Only problem is, it's illegal with
    the law the way it is now (except for day surgeries). Americans flock to private MRI labs in
    Canada because the cost is so much less. Few Canadians use the service, even though wait times
    are long.

    On the other hand, medical providers in our northern states get quite
    a bit of business from the wealthier Canadians, who've found that they
    get exactly what they pay for from Canada's "free" health care system.

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    Wealthy being the operative word...

    I'm poor, but unlike many Americans in the same boat as me, I have access to health care.

    There are many surgical procedures that are not available in Canada, usually because there are no
    doctors trained to perform the procedures. If the treatment is necessary, provincial health care
    will pay for travel to the US and the procedure. My mother had a very serious bedsore that wouldn't
    heal. Her doctors were considering sending her to Louisiana to the hospital where Hansen's disease
    is treated, because at the time (30 years ago) they were at the forefront in wound care. An
    alternative was sent to her docs by the hospital in Louisiana, and it did the job. She had the sore
    on her ankle for over 5 years.

    I gladly accept a somewhat lower standard of care for universal access. My neighbour has just as
    much right to health care services as I do.

    Vicki

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