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  1. jmcquown said:
    Margaret Suran said:

    kilikini wrote:
    Jill

    Quoted message said:

    gave me her recipe, which looks promising, I just have yet to try it.

    Did Jill warn you to watch out for lady bugs? Ask her about it. :o)

    LOLOL You know they are signs of good luck!

    Jill


    You do not remember, Jill, but you baked cornbread once and as it
    cooled, a ladybug flew down and sat on the cornbread. You wanted to
    dump it and I teased you about it and answered with what I thought was
    an email, that had a cyber ladybug walking all over the screen.

    Mistakenly, instead of sending it to you, I posted it to rfc. Some of
    the people who saw my post were not amused and said so. :o(

    You thought it was funny. I was mortified. :o(

  2. Elaine Parrish said:
    Margaret Suran said:


    I believe, that there are two completely different corn breads
    discussed in this thread.

    Ranee was referring to Southern Corn Bread, Pandora to a very dense
    Jewish kind of Rye Bread, also called Corn Bread.

    I remember the disappointment, the first time I ordered Corn Bread in
    a Florida restaurant and was given a sweet, crumbly, sweet, almost
    cake like piece of something, that neither looked not tasted like the
    Rye Bread I expected. :o(

    hehe. I know where you are coming from, Margaret.

    I come from Austria. From Vienna, not from the southern part. Not
    that there would have been any cornbread there, so it doesn't really
    matter. Not Corn Bread, either. :o)

  3. Wayne Boatwright said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    It's nonsense. Here in the south where Sheldon doesn't live and I do,
    it's two words. And sometimes, one word. Point is, the rule isn't a


    rule.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    It's a sometime thing. Can be either way.

    I grew up in East Texas, and corn bread ("cornbread" was a perfectly
    acceptable alternate spelling) both always yellow. No rule about it,
    that's just the way it was. My wife grew up in Alabama, and the corn
    bread (I don't know how they spelled it) there was always white. Both
    Alabama and Texas -- especially East Texas* -- are part of the old
    South, and yet 2 different variations of corn bread. How can that be?
    I bet if one did some research, there would be at least a dozen
    different variations of corn bread, and it varies by family more than it
    does by region.

    Yes, I think it's regional. White is prevalent in Mississippi, Alabama,
    the Carolinas, yellow in Tennessee and Arkansas. White in Kentucky, if you
    consider it part of the South. Other Southern states I'm not sure of.

    --
    Wayne Boatwright *¿*
    _____________________________________________

    A chicken in every pot is a *LOT* of chicken!

    Yes, I agree that it is regional to a great degree. It also depended on
    what people of the region grew back in the days of growing and milling.
    Yellow corn was bigger and produced more than did white corn (of the
    varities with which I am familiar). Yellow corn seemed to be the choice of
    growers around where I lived as a young child. Before my time, my
    grandfather grew yellow "field" corn for milling and for stock feed.

    Somewhere along the line - and as far back I can remember - "store-bought"
    flour and white cornmeal came "self-rising". Yellow cornmeal is not,
    generally, self rising ('round here, we use it to coat catfish for
    frying). Generally, yellow cornmeal is much coarser.

    In making cake-like cornbread out of white corn meal, more eggs are used
    than in non-cake-like cornbread. The eggs gave the cornbread a soft yellow
    color. Regardless of the recipe, most of the people I know 'round here,
    use white, self-rising cornmeal.

    I cheat. I like the yellow, cake-like
    cornbread, so I add a few drops of yellow food coloring to my white,
    self-rising cornmeal batter. I get the ease and texture of white,
    self-rising cornmeal and the pretty yellow color I associate with
    grandma's cornbread. Add in a couple of extra eggs and a pinch of sugar
    and I've got the cake-like cornbread I prefer. Some bacon drippins and a
    cast iron skillet and I'm good to go. Pass the butter!

    Elaine, too

  4. Sheldon said:
    zxcvbob said:

    Bob (this one) wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    It's nonsense. Here in the south where Sheldon doesn't live and I do,
    it's two words. And sometimes, one word. Point is, the rule isn't a
    rule. It's a sometime thing. Can be either way.

    I grew up in East Texas, and corn bread ("cornbread" was a perfectly
    acceptable alternate spelling) both always yellow. No rule about it,
    that's just the way it was.

    So did Bush!

    Cone Bray-ed!

    Ahahahahaha. . . .

    Sheldon Ya'll

    <whispering> Psst! Sheldon. It's spelled "y'all". The apostrophe
    goes after the 'y'</w>

    I wouldn't want you to make a fool of yourself.

    Best regards,
    Bob

  5. Kili replied to notbob about Greg Moron:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I was kind of thinking the same thing, but I didn't even want to
    continue the thread after his comments. Didn't want to give credence,
    you know?

    I considered it, too. But, it's my opinion that a pile of [censored] should
    be pointed out so others will not step in it.

    nb

    Point taken.

    PBBBBBLT! (That was a raspberry, in case you couldn't tell.)

    I came to that conclusion WEEKS ago and killfiled him then. You guys are
    slower on the uptake, so nyah nyah nyah! :-)

    He's just a yapping little [censored] with nothing food-related to contribute.

    Bob, bored at work

  6. kilikini wrote on 03 Dec 2005 in rec.food.cooking

    Quoted message said:


    "Margaret Suran" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Sheldon said:

    Margaret Suran wrote:

    > I believe, that there are two completely different corn breads
    >discussed in this thread.

    Well, yes... but really, really easy to differenciate as they are
    written differently, to wit: "cornbread" (one word) is the one
    made with corn (maize)... "corn bread" (two words) is the one made
    with rye (and no corn).

    >Ranee was referring to Southern Corn Bread, Pandora to a very
    >dense Jewish kind of Rye Bread, also called Corn Bread.

    There's no such thing as Southern Corn Bread, not unless you're
    talking perhaps Southern Russia.

    >I remember the disappointment, the first time I ordered Corn Bread
    >in a Florida restaurant and was given a sweet, crumbly, sweet,
    >almost cake like piece of something, that neither looked not
    >tasted like the Rye Bread I expected. :o(

    In a Southern US restaurant you'd only get that yellow stuff,
    "cornbread" (one word).

    Remember to write it correctly.

    Sheldon


    I never knew that. Thank you. :o)

    I didn't know that either! My husband, (bred in Tennessee), claims
    that "real" southern cornbread is dense and dry, not cakey, sweet and
    fluffy. I'm a West Coast ,USA girl sadly displaced in Florida, and am
    gently trying Southern style cooking. Not liking it, mind you, but
    gently trying. I haven't had good cornbread here yet. I'm used to
    the sweet cakey stuff, warmed up, with honey butter. Jill gave me her
    recipe, which looks promising, I just have yet to try it.

    kili

    The recipe for cornbread I use includes a can of creamed corn and a
    can of green chiles...just cut back on the liquids and use a regular
    recipe...also I use a smaller amount of sugar than standardly expected up
    here in the frozen North...As I type it is -10F and true winter hasn't
    started yet (Sigh). I use buttered corn bread slices as acompaniment to
    thick soups and stews. Well I did before going low carb. Jalapeno peppers
    also do well in cornbreads.

    --
    The eyes are the mirrors....
    But the ears...Ah the ears.
    The ears keep the hat up.

  7. On Sat 03 Dec 2005 06:59:01p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it zxcvbob?

    Quoted message said:
    Sheldon said:
    zxcvbob said:

    Bob (this one) wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >It's nonsense. Here in the south where Sheldon doesn't live and I do,
    >it's two words. And sometimes, one word. Point is, the rule isn't a
    >rule. It's a sometime thing. Can be either way.
    >

    I grew up in East Texas, and corn bread ("cornbread" was a perfectly
    acceptable alternate spelling) both always yellow. No rule about it,
    that's just the way it was.

    So did Bush!

    Cone Bray-ed!

    Ahahahahaha. . . .

    Sheldon Ya'll

    <whispering> Psst! Sheldon. It's spelled "y'all". The apostrophe
    goes after the 'y'</w>

    I wouldn't want you to make a fool of yourself.

    Best regards,
    Bob

    You can prevent that? I am agog!

    --
    Wayne Boatwright *¿*
    _____________________________________________

    A chicken in every pot is a *LOT* of chicken!

  8. Mr Libido Incognito said:

    The recipe for cornbread I use includes a can of creamed corn and a
    can of green chiles...just cut back on the liquids and use a regular
    recipe...also I use a smaller amount of sugar than standardly expected up
    here in the frozen North...As I type it is -10F and true winter hasn't
    started yet (Sigh). I use buttered corn bread slices as acompaniment to
    thick soups and stews. Well I did before going low carb. Jalapeno peppers
    also do well in cornbreads.

    Add some shredded cheddar or other cheese to the mix, it proves to be
    mighty tasty...

    I only buy creamed corn these daze to add to cornbread, I am actually
    old enough to remember when creamed corn was served as a side dish...

    And does anyone remember when scalloped corn was a side dish at every
    holiday table? It's an old - fashioned dish that I think is long
    overdue for a comeback...

    --
    Best
    Greg

  9. Wayne Boatwright said:

    This comes too late to save the day, um, dinner, but cornbread can be
    successfully made without eggs. Hopefully you're making buttermilk
    cornbread, and would add a bit more more milk and perhaps an extra 1/4
    teaspoon baking soda. Should be fine.

    And if you don't have buttermilk you can make an acceptable subsitute
    by pouring say a few tablespoons of vinegar into a quart or so of
    milk...leave it out overnight or in a warm place (I like the top of the
    fridge) and it will "clabber" a bit,,,it's not perfect but it fills the
    bill in an emergency.

    --
    Best
    Greg

    Quoted message said:
  10. Bob Terwilliger said:

    Kili replied to notbob about Greg Moron:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > I was kind of thinking the same thing, but I didn't even want to
    > continue the thread after his comments. Didn't want to give credence,
    > you know?

    I considered it, too. But, it's my opinion that a pile of [censored] should
    be pointed out so others will not step in it.

    nb

    Point taken.

    PBBBBBLT! (That was a raspberry, in case you couldn't tell.)

    I came to that conclusion WEEKS ago and killfiled him then. You guys are
    slower on the uptake, so nyah nyah nyah! :-)

    He's just a yapping little [censored] with nothing food-related to contribute.

    Bob, bored at work

    Yeah, well we are bored with Y - O - U...

    Look at you capons with all of your old - womanish hectoring...if you
    aren't careful you'll come back in your next life as a bunch of
    fishwives...

    Lol... ;--p

    --
    Best
    Greg

  11. notbob said:
    Gregory Morrow said:

    Naw I'm not "crazy", nb...I just find that Pandora benefits if she gets
    smacked around a little bit....

    I apologize to all rfc regulars for operating under the assumption
    that Greg is a rational, literate, human beihng. Greg, thank you for
    making me aware you are a total waste of oxygen and deserve a swift
    kick to the nuts.

    Oh now notbob I am just engaging in a bit of japery, I don't really
    mean that literally...

    This little contretemps kinda reminds of a thread a few years ago when
    someone was complaining about Sheldon...I merrily replied to the
    jabbering idjit, "Reading Sheldon's post is possibly akin to
    rape...just lay back and enjoy it...". Well Mothra Hughes and some of
    the other gals here got all discombobulated...go figure. I really
    didn't mean such a thing but there ya go...

    Keep things in PERSPECTIVE, notbob...it's *just* Usenet for
    chrissakes...

    And when I come out and visit you you can take me for Sunday brunch at
    the Cliff House :-)

    --
    Best
    Greg

  12. On Sat 03 Dec 2005 08:50:23p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Gregory
    Morrow?

    Quoted message said:

    I only buy creamed corn these daze to add to cornbread, I am actually
    old enough to remember when creamed corn was served as a side dish...

    Me, too.

    Quoted message said:

    And does anyone remember when scalloped corn was a side dish at every
    holiday table? It's an old - fashioned dish that I think is long
    overdue for a comeback...

    I still make it. It's a delightful dish!

    --
    Wayne Boatwright *¿*
    _____________________________________________

    A chicken in every pot is a *LOT* of chicken!

  13. Wayne Boatwright said:

    On Sat 03 Dec 2005 08:50:23p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Gregory
    Morrow?

    Quoted message said:

    I only buy creamed corn these daze to add to cornbread, I am actually
    old enough to remember when creamed corn was served as a side dish...

    Me, too.

    Quoted message said:

    And does anyone remember when scalloped corn was a side dish at every
    holiday table? It's an old - fashioned dish that I think is long
    overdue for a comeback...

    I still make it. It's a delightful dish!

    Christmas is coming, I think it'll be on the holiday table...I think
    the last time I had it was like 40 or so years ago.

    IIRC isn't there also a scalloped corn and oyster casserole - type dish
    or am I dreaming? In any case I am making scalloped oysters for the
    holidaze...

    --
    Best
    Greg

  14. Gregory Morrow said:


    Pandora PANDEMIC ignorantly said:

    Cornbread doesn't need eggs, IMHO. It is a bread, not a cake!
    I always make my bread without eggs.

    And yer brain has NO cells...and let's face it, you don't even KNOW
    what cornbread is.

    Gee, with Pandora's body of good contributions to the ng, what have
    you in the way of credentials? Opinion. Hey, its a beginning.

    jim

  15. Sheldon said:


    Gregory Morrow said:
    Pandora PANDEMIC ignorantly said:

    Cornbread doesn't need eggs, IMHO. It is a bread, not a cake!
    I always make my bread without eggs.

    And yer brain has NO cells...and let's face it, you don't even KNOW
    what cornbread is.

    Cornbread is a quick bread, which is technically a cake, a heavy cake
    but a cake nevertheless. Cakes can contain eggs or not... some don't
    even contain flour. Quick breads can contain eggs or not. Yeast
    breads can contain eggs or not. But here the Subject line says "Corn
    Bread"... a real bread, actually the king of breads, and doesn't
    contain any egg or a lick of corn. Now I just joined in here, didn't
    bother to read much but the last few posts to this thread... so don't
    know who the real idiots are, but I strongly suspect every one is
    filthy dirty ignorant guinea [censored]... only bread they know is what
    they *pickpocket*, called Conbread! <G>

    Guinea Conbread... get it! Hohoho....

    Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. . . .

    Sheldon

    Tell me shelliebabie, does your cackling echo off the rubber room
    walls?

    jim

  16. On Sat 03 Dec 2005 09:43:14p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Gregory
    Morrow?

    Quoted message said:


    Wayne Boatwright said:

    On Sat 03 Dec 2005 08:50:23p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Gregory
    Morrow?

    Quoted message said:

    I only buy creamed corn these daze to add to cornbread, I am actually
    old enough to remember when creamed corn was served as a side dish...

    Me, too.

    Quoted message said:

    And does anyone remember when scalloped corn was a side dish at every
    holiday table? It's an old - fashioned dish that I think is long
    overdue for a comeback...

    I still make it. It's a delightful dish!

    Christmas is coming, I think it'll be on the holiday table...I think
    the last time I had it was like 40 or so years ago.

    IIRC isn't there also a scalloped corn and oyster casserole - type dish
    or am I dreaming? In any case I am making scalloped oysters for the
    holidaze...

    Yes, there is, and if I didn't detest oysters I'd probably make it. :-)
    Here is a typical recipe, although there are many variations.

    Scalloped Corn and Oysters

    1 quart fresh Oysters, cut up
    2 (15 1/4 oz.) cans creamed corn
    1/2 cup milk
    1 1/2 tsp. salt
    1/2 tsp. pepper
    1/4 tsp. Tabasco sauce
    4 cups coarsely rolled cracker crumbs
    1/2 cup butter or margarine

    In small saucepan melt butter or margarine and add the crumbs.

    In a separate bowl combine corn, milk, salt, pepper and Tabasco sauce.
    layer in baking dish, 3 layers of crumbs and 2 each of corn and Oysters.
    Bake at 350 F for 45 minutes or until hot through.

    --
    Wayne Boatwright *¿*
    _____________________________________________

    A chicken in every pot is a *LOT* of chicken!

  17. "Wayne Boatwright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Sat 03 Dec 2005 01:02:19p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Margaret
    Suran?

    Quoted message said:
    Sheldon said:

    Margaret Suran wrote:

    > I believe, that there are two completely different corn breads
    > discussed in this thread.

    Well, yes... but really, really easy to differenciate as they are
    written differently, to wit: "cornbread" (one word) is the one made
    with corn (maize)... "corn bread" (two words) is the one made with rye
    (and no corn).

    >Ranee was referring to Southern Corn Bread, Pandora to a very dense
    >Jewish kind of Rye Bread, also called Corn Bread.

    There's no such thing as Southern Corn Bread, not unless you're talking
    perhaps Southern Russia.

    >I remember the disappointment, the first time I ordered Corn Bread in
    >a Florida restaurant and was given a sweet, crumbly, sweet, almost
    >cake like piece of something, that neither looked not tasted like the
    >Rye Bread I expected. :o(

    In a Southern US restaurant you'd only get that yellow stuff,
    "cornbread" (one word).

    Remember to write it correctly.

    Sheldon


    I never knew that. Thank you. :o)

    There is definitely a Southern US style cornbread that is distinctly
    different than cornbread from most other regions of the US. I'm not
    referring to what one gets in a restaurant, but what is made in private
    homes in the South. Agreed, it is a totally different type of bread than
    "corn bread".

    Note following differences:

    Little if any flour used in the batter
    Little if any sugar used in the batter
    Coarse cornmeal, more often white than yellow, and often stoneground
    Bacon or ham drippings most often used as the fat
    Buttermilk more often used than whole milk
    Baking soda more often used than baking powder
    Baked at a high temperature in cast iron until very crusty
    Some version made without eggs

    Yep, that's the kind my husband makes and it's flat, dry and hard. He'll
    sometimes add hominy, cheddar cheese and jalepenos in it as well. I think
    it's absolutely disgusting. LOL

    kili

  18. "ensenadajim" <[email hidden]> ha scritto nel messaggio
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Gregory Morrow said:


    Pandora PANDEMIC ignorantly said:

    Cornbread doesn't need eggs, IMHO. It is a bread, not a cake!
    I always make my bread without eggs.

    And yer brain has NO cells...and let's face it, you don't even KNOW
    what cornbread is.

    "*Yer* brain". Then I am ignorant :Ahahahahah
    Pan

    Quoted message said:

    Gee, with Pandora's body of good contributions to the ng, what have
    you in the way of credentials? Opinion. Hey, its a beginning.

    jim

  19. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Gregory Morrow said:
    Mr Libido Incognito said:

    The recipe for cornbread I use includes a can of creamed corn and a
    can of green chiles...just cut back on the liquids and use a regular
    recipe...also I use a smaller amount of sugar than standardly expected up
    here in the frozen North...As I type it is -10F and true winter hasn't
    started yet (Sigh). I use buttered corn bread slices as acompaniment to
    thick soups and stews. Well I did before going low carb. Jalapeno peppers
    also do well in cornbreads.

    Add some shredded cheddar or other cheese to the mix, it proves to be
    mighty tasty...

    I only buy creamed corn these daze to add to cornbread, I am actually
    old enough to remember when creamed corn was served as a side dish...

    And does anyone remember when scalloped corn was a side dish at every
    holiday table? It's an old - fashioned dish that I think is long
    overdue for a comeback...

    It was one of dead Sister Anne's specialties.
    --
    http://www.jamlady.eboard.com, updated 12-1-05, Oodles of Noodles

  20. zxcvbob said:
    Quoted message said:

    Sheldon Ya'll

    <whispering> Psst! Sheldon. It's spelled "y'all". The apostrophe
    goes after the 'y'</w>

    I wouldn't want you to make a fool of yourself.

    After seeing countless people spell it ya'll, I have decided that it
    must be the Yankee spelling of the word ROTFL

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