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Copper Kettle Identification - Take 2

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  1. More info on this kettle. To refresh you memory, and for those
    that may have missed it the first time around:

    http://i14.tinypic.com/4q69o3k.jpg
    http://i17.tinypic.com/53fekbn.jpg

    This kettle apparently has a double layered hull. The fittings
    you see at the bottom and side lead into a shallow, under 1/2"
    airspace between the two layers of copper. The inner layer/bowl
    is completely solid - no holes.

    So it would seem to be for tempering and/or cooling something
    (chocolate? candy?), where hot air/steam, water, or possibly oil
    is cycled through the outer hull.

    I think the lid is brass, while the kettle is copper. Any idea
    what it is?

    -sw

  2. Steve Wertz said:


    This kettle apparently has a double layered hull. The fittings
    you see at the bottom and side lead into a shallow, under 1/2"
    airspace between the two layers of copper. The inner layer/bowl
    is completely solid - no holes.

    So it would seem to be for tempering and/or cooling something
    (chocolate? candy?), where hot air/steam, water, or possibly oil
    is cycled through the outer hull.

    Almost certainly steam.

    Quoted message said:

    I think the lid is brass, while the kettle is copper. Any idea
    what it is?

    Kettles like this have many uses. Anything from soup
    to lanolin. It is kind of odd that it's only 5 gallons.
    Jacketed kettles are usually larger than that.

    Is the $300 offer still open? It seems more
    reasonable the more I learn about it.

    I would expect a kettle like this to be on
    a tilting stand. The fact that it is not
    is probably a clue to what it was used for.

  3. Steve Wertz said:


    This kettle apparently has a double layered hull. The fittings
    you see at the bottom and side lead into a shallow, under 1/2"
    airspace between the two layers of copper. The inner layer/bowl
    is completely solid - no holes.

    Could you put up a picture of the inside of the bowl
    (if you're serious about selling it).

    Does it have any patches? Or holes that would
    need to be patched before putting it back in
    service?

    Where did you get it from?

  4. Mark Thorson said:

    Is the $300 offer still open? It seems more
    reasonable the more I learn about it.

    It appears to be a candy kettle. The bowls alone, without lid or
    stand are going for $300-$500. Probably made about 1905-1910 or
    so, judging from wild assed guesses (that's when they made candy
    molds). Looks like they made ovens (ranges) at one point, too.

    -sw

  5. Mark Thorson said:

    Could you put up a picture of the inside of the bowl
    (if you're serious about selling it).

    It's not all mine. It' belongs to my brother and I. It's not
    really for sale at the moment (sorry - just goading you earlier).

    Quoted message said:

    Does it have any patches? Or holes that would
    need to be patched before putting it back in
    service?

    There is a green tarnish ring about 1.5" up the inside of the
    bowl, but that's it. No holes. Needs good polishing inside, and
    is not lined with tin.

    Quoted message said:

    Where did you get it from?

    It was bought at an antique store in Pittsburgh around 1980 by a
    friend of the family and given to my mother at the time. It's
    been kicking around various storage spaces and garages ever since
    then. I just recently rediscovered it and finally got curious
    enough to research it.

    -sw

  6. Steve Wertz said:


    Mark Thorson said:

    Is the $300 offer still open? It seems more
    reasonable the more I learn about it.

    It appears to be a candy kettle. The bowls alone, without lid or
    stand are going for $300-$500. Probably made about 1905-1910 or
    so, judging from wild assed guesses (that's when they made candy
    molds). Looks like they made ovens (ranges) at one point, too.

    I think that's low for this one, because it's
    jacketed. Do a search on "steam jacket" on eBay,
    any you'll see lots of examples, but they're all
    modern ones in stainless. Yours would have value
    both for its function (if it is in working order)
    and as an antique.

    I'd already made the same guess about date, but
    with a wider range. It could be almost any time
    in the second half of the 19th century up to
    the first quarter of the 20th century.

    I don't think you can nail down its function
    so narrowly. Kettles like this have many uses.
    Because it lacks the tilting feature, I doubt
    it was used to make molded objects or to fill
    jars or cans. I'd say that whatever it held
    was removed with a ladle, or it may have been
    used for dipping.

    I believe the most common food-related use
    of these things is cooking soup and keeping
    it warm. Because of its small size (for a
    jacketed kettle), I believe that would rule
    out many industrial production uses (though
    not candy, which is often made in small batches).

  7. Steve Wertz said:


    Mark Thorson said:

    Could you put up a picture of the inside of the bowl
    (if you're serious about selling it).

    It's not all mine. It' belongs to my brother and I. It's not
    really for sale at the moment (sorry - just goading you earlier).

    Just as well. I'm pressed for space.
    And a couple days ago I won an auction
    for a commercial Ditting coffee grinder.
    I haven't figured out where to put that.
    (Oh, but it was a great deal! New in box
    and only $222.50 plus $55 shipping.)

  8. Mark Thorson said:

    I'd say that whatever it held
    was removed with a ladle, or it may have been
    used for dipping.

    That's why I was thinking chocolate. Lots of things are dunked
    in chocolate.

    I don't think the lack of tilting feature is significant. Most
    chocolate wouldn't have been molded in those quantities back then
    - at least not the smaller, respectful operations.

    But what do I know.

    -sw

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