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  1. I suppose this is a bit OT but here goes. I have travelled on all my recent
    long tours using the very small Camping Gaz Burner -- just visible here.
    http://www.tapan.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Rain_on_my_supper_pot_small.JPG

    My ancient cooking pots have just about had it, so I have bought a new set
    which include a methylated spirit burner and a very effective wind shield
    cooker stand.

    I rather fancy using this spirit burner on my next years tour in Italy. I
    think that buying a bottle of methylated spirit ( or the Italian equivalent)
    might be a tad easier than buying the small camping gaz cylinders. On my
    last few tours I have always worried about obtaining new cylinders ( I
    normally carry 2 -- 1 on and 1 spare) and I have often finished up carrying
    3 or 4 at times because of their scarcity

    It is a long time ago that I used a spirit burner but I am experimenting at
    home at the moment to see how effective it is in cooking a typical stewpot
    that I tend to have most evenings on my travels.

    Have any camping tourers out there got experience of these at all! Or any
    words of advice!

    --
    Trevor A Panther
    In South Yorkshire,
    England, United Kingdom.
    www.tapan.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

  2. "Pinky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I suppose this is a bit OT but here goes. I have travelled on all my recent
    long tours using the very small Camping Gaz Burner -- just visible here.
    http://www.tapan.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Rain_on_my_supper_pot_small.JPG

    And there I was thinking that Nicole was changing her focus from road
    cycling ...

  3. A bigger picture is here. That is just the thumbnail! Sorry!

    http://www.tapan.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Rain_on_my_supper_pot.JPG
    --
    Trevor A Panther
    In South Yorkshire,
    England, United Kingdom.
    www.tapan.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

  4. Pinky said:

    Have any camping tourers out there got experience of these at all!
    Or any words of advice!

    I found my meths-burning Trangia to be considerably more effective for this
    kind of thing than my old Camping Gaz stove. If you have a Trangia, it is
    wise to unscrew the burner's cap when storing it for long periods, such as
    over the winter, as otherwise it will attach itself to the burner with such
    ferocious devotion than removing it requires more and stouter tools than
    most people have at their disposal.

    --
    Dave Larrington
    <http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk>
    Frozen gorillas can be used to control the temperature of a warm
    and stuffy room.

  5. Pinky said:

    I suppose this is a bit OT but here goes. I have travelled on all my recent
    long tours using the very small Camping Gaz Burner -- just visible here.
    http://www.tapan.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Rain_on_my_supper_pot_small.JPG

    My ancient cooking pots have just about had it, so I have bought a new set
    which include a methylated spirit burner and a very effective wind shield
    cooker stand.

    I rather fancy using this spirit burner on my next years tour in Italy. I
    think that buying a bottle of methylated spirit ( or the Italian equivalent)
    might be a tad easier than buying the small camping gaz cylinders. On my
    last few tours I have always worried about obtaining new cylinders ( I
    normally carry 2 -- 1 on and 1 spare) and I have often finished up carrying
    3 or 4 at times because of their scarcity

    It is a long time ago that I used a spirit burner but I am experimenting at
    home at the moment to see how effective it is in cooking a typical stewpot
    that I tend to have most evenings on my travels.

    Have any camping tourers out there got experience of these at all! Or any
    words of advice!

    I'd expect Pete C to pop up any moment with sage words of wisdom, but
    in the mean time here is my take.

    Spirit burners are slow and messy. I have a trangia set which has been
    adapted to take a gas burner. This runs off the resealable canisters
    and is excellent. I have replaced all the pans with stainless steel
    ones. I keep one for just water and messy stuff in the other (I don't
    like my tea tasting of curry).

    I have heard of people adapting the trangia cooksets to take small
    multifuel burners such as the XGK (see
    http://www.fieldandtrek.com/cid/HQTBG2NTN3KWNZWNY8EAH2IVVEPDPHF0/category-Multi-Fuel-EQUICAMPCAMPMULT.htm
    for some pics) with good success. I'd think that the gas conversion,
    plus the spirit burner would give you the best of both worlds. My
    preference would be to just go with gas, or to just go with a
    pressurised liquid fuel stove in the heatshield/pot holder.

    ...d

  6. Pinky said:


    It is a long time ago that I used a spirit burner but I am
    experimenting at home at the moment to see how effective it is in
    cooking a typical stewpot that I tend to have most evenings on my
    travels.
    Have any camping tourers out there got experience of these at all!
    Or any words of advice!

    If by spirit burner you mean Trangia (or one of the many Trangia copies)
    They are excellent. If you don't have the "simmer" attachment, get one they
    are worth their weight.

    If you want my all time favorite one pot recipe for making on a Trangia (if
    fact it's so good I make it at home too) let me know and I'll post it on
    here.

    Tom
    --
    Return address is dead. Real address is at
    http://www.box.net/public/0n493oa6y7

  7. Dave Larrington said:
    Pinky said:

    Have any camping tourers out there got experience of these at all!
    Or any words of advice!

    I found my meths-burning Trangia to be considerably more effective for this
    kind of thing than my old Camping Gaz stove. If you have a Trangia, it is
    wise to unscrew the burner's cap when storing it for long periods, such as
    over the winter, as otherwise it will attach itself to the burner with such
    ferocious devotion than removing it requires more and stouter tools than
    most people have at their disposal.

    But taking the meths container and throwing it away, and replacing with
    the gas burner [1] is the way to making a trangia stove really very
    nice indeed.

    ...d

    [1] http://www.summits.co.uk/acatalog/Trangia_Gas_Burner.html - older
    trangia sets will require a bit of cutting and shaping to make the
    right sized hole.

  8. "Tom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    ....
    If you want my all time favorite one pot recipe for making on a Trangia
    (if fact it's so good I make it at home too) let me know and I'll post it
    on here.

    Tom
    --

    How can I resist - yes please!

    Graham

  9. David Martin said:

    But taking the meths container and throwing it away, and replacing
    with the gas burner [1] is the way to making a trangia stove really
    very nice indeed.

    Not at /that/ price it isn't...

    --
    Dave Larrington
    <http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk>
    Here, take these cheese-shaped stilts. You'll know when to use
    them.

  10. Slark said:


    How can I resist - yes please!

    1 tin of corned beef
    1 large onion
    2 large (or 4 small) Carrots
    3 or 4 large potatoes
    1 or 2 cloves of garlic (optional)
    tomato ketchup (optional)
    salt and pepper to taste

    chop up the corned beef, add to pot
    slice the potatoes, carrots and onion, add to pot
    chop and add the garlic (optional) add a desertspoonfull of tomato ketchup
    (optional)

    add enough water to cover, bring to the boil with the lid on, stir well.

    Now if you are camping, remove from heat, make sure the lid is on tight and
    put the pot in a wooly hat and wrap it in your sleeping bag. Bring back to
    the boil after an hour (or when you want to eat if later) and serve. At home
    simmer for 30 minutes or so until the potatoes are soft and the onions have
    turned clear.

    Can be eaten cold, can be re-heated the next day, will make your sleeping
    bag smell like onions/garlic.

    Tom
    --
    Return address is dead. Real address is at
    http://www.box.net/public/0n493oa6y7

  11. "Pinky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    My ancient cooking pots have just about had it, so I have bought a new set
    which include a methylated spirit burner and a very effective wind shield
    cooker stand.

    Trangia?

    Quoted message said:

    I rather fancy using this spirit burner on my next years tour in Italy. I
    think that buying a bottle of methylated spirit ( or the Italian
    equivalent) might be a tad easier than buying the small camping gaz
    cylinders.

    http://www.mark-ju.net/juliette/meths.htm

    Quoted message said:

    Have any camping tourers out there got experience of these at all! Or any
    words of advice!

    http://www.mark-ju.net/bike_ride/equipment/camping.htm

    (scroll down to the stoves bit, then follow Ju's link to food if you want.)

    Personally I like petrol stoves - I've got a Coleman one with a bottle like
    an MSR, but it can simmer properly (cue whisperlite people all claiming they
    can get theirs to simmer - just because I've never seen anybody manage it,
    doesn't mean it's impossible!)

    cheers,
    clive


  12. Quoted message said:

    Spirit burners are slow and messy.

    My meths Trangia is _much_ better than a camping gaz mini stove.
    Stable, wind resistent, oodles of heat. It might depend on the quality
    of the meths though. Don't be tempted to use petrol though!

    I have taken it cycle-camping - I do wonder if there's a smaller
    solution but it comes down to the size of the pan in the end.

  13. "Simon L" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Spirit burners are slow and messy.

    My meths Trangia is _much_ better than a camping gaz mini stove.
    Stable, wind resistent, oodles of heat. It might depend on the quality
    of the meths though. Don't be tempted to use petrol though!

    I have taken it cycle-camping - I do wonder if there's a smaller
    solution but it comes down to the size of the pan in the end.

    I have an ex- Swiss-army type trangia type stove.

    It is a semi circular shape and just comes with the main pan and lid (which
    doubles as a frying pan), it is not too light as the pans are quite thich
    but still lighter and smaller than your normal trangia especially the ones
    with 2 pans and a kettle.

    Like this - only it was cheaper in the shop than on the web.
    www.snowdensofhaworth.co.uk/cooking.html

    DaveB

  14. Dave Larrington said:
    David Martin said:

    But taking the meths container and throwing it away, and replacing
    with the gas burner [1] is the way to making a trangia stove really
    very nice indeed.

    Not at /that/ price it isn't...

    What is wrong with that price? OK, it is about twice the price of a
    standard gas cartridge stove, but is the mutts nuts when combines with
    a trangia. Faster and more controllable than meths. Better wind
    shielding and more efficient that an alternative gas cartridge stove.
    And it fits inside the smallest pan along with a box of matches and pot
    handle.

    In terms of value for money, it makes cooking so much easier - and
    lasts for ages. It is after all less than ten pints in total cost.

    ...d

  15. Pinky said:

    I suppose this is a bit OT but here goes. I have travelled on all my recent
    long tours using the very small Camping Gaz Burner -- just visible here.
    http://www.tapan.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Rain_on_my_supper_pot_small.JPG

    My ancient cooking pots have just about had it, so I have bought a new set
    which include a methylated spirit burner and a very effective wind shield
    cooker stand.

    I rather fancy using this spirit burner on my next years tour in Italy. I
    think that buying a bottle of methylated spirit ( or the Italian equivalent)
    might be a tad easier than buying the small camping gaz cylinders. On my
    last few tours I have always worried about obtaining new cylinders ( I
    normally carry 2 -- 1 on and 1 spare) and I have often finished up carrying
    3 or 4 at times because of their scarcity

    It is a long time ago that I used a spirit burner but I am experimenting at
    home at the moment to see how effective it is in cooking a typical stewpot
    that I tend to have most evenings on my travels.

    Have any camping tourers out there got experience of these at all! Or any
    words of advice!


    I've not had any trouble finding camping gaz cylinders in Italy. I use
    them for some small gas lanterns we use to light our terrace. They cost
    about €1.70 in the supermarkets and my local hardware shop has some
    compatible Italian brands, which I think are intended for gas
    blowtorches but work fine, for €1.00.

    We have been using a Coleman Peak-1 multifuel stove for the last 24
    years which burns anything vageuly related to petrol and has a
    prodigious power output. It's not the lightest thing around though.

    Julesh

  16. Simon L said:
    Quoted message said:

    Spirit burners are slow and messy.

    My meths Trangia is _much_ better than a camping gaz mini stove.
    Stable, wind resistent, oodles of heat. It might depend on the quality
    of the meths though. Don't be tempted to use petrol though!

    The Trangia is the stove I always come back to after occasional forays
    into the world of gas. I use a 27 but without the kettle. That has been
    replaced with a Trangia Mini so I'm carrying one stove within another,
    allowing two burners - essential when there are several of us camping.
    Stacking pots on top of each other when cooking to make best use of the
    heat is so easy due to the stability.

    I do have an MSR Pocket Rocket which takes self-sealing cartidges but
    this is only ever used for brew ups on day rides.
    I find the heat doesn't spread as well as the Trangia, nor is simmer
    control as good. Fuel is also more expensive and more difficult to find.

    Quoted message said:

    I have taken it cycle-camping - I do wonder if there's a smaller
    solution but it comes down to the size of the pan in the end.

    On the real lightweight trips I use a Meta cooker - a simple mug sized
    pot containing a small stove that takes solid fuel tablets. I'm not sure
    these are still made as mine's over 30 years old.

    John B

  17. I confess that my cook set cost me £8 from LIDL but in shape, size and items
    it looks exactly like the trangia 25-1 which retails at £45 ( although I
    have seen it on offer at £40)

    I find that using meths stains the pot bottoms a bit but not difficult to
    clean off. I have just cooked my standard one pot casserole successfully
    for my evening meal ( it didn't taste as good as after a days ride
    but..... )

    So I shall use it next year and see how it goes.!

    Thanks for all comments! Much appreciated.

    --
    Trevor A Panther
    In South Yorkshire,
    England, United Kingdom.
    www.tapan.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

  18. Pinky said:

    I find that using meths stains the pot bottoms a bit but not difficult to
    clean off.

    If you add about 10% water to the meths it will not blacken the pans so much.

    John B

  19. David Martin said:
    Dave Larrington said:
    David Martin said:

    But taking the meths container and throwing it away, and replacing
    with the gas burner [1] is the way to making a trangia stove really
    very nice indeed.


    Not at /that/ price it isn't...

    What is wrong with that price? OK, it is about twice the price of a
    standard gas cartridge stove

    And it's also twice the price of the functionally identical Markill
    (part of Vau De) version of the same thing!

    I have the insanely overpriced Primus one and it does work very
    well, but I can't see much reason not to get the Markill one given
    you know of its existence (I didn't until too late, of course: Bah!)

    Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
    Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
    net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

  20. Pinky said:

    My ancient cooking pots have just about had it, so I have bought a new set
    which include a methylated spirit burner and a very effective wind shield
    cooker stand.

    Sooooo, did you get a Trangia or did you get the Lidl cheap 'n
    cheerful version that was about lately? If the latter, I don't
    know how good it is so anything following may not quite apply.

    Quoted message said:

    I rather fancy using this spirit burner on my next years tour in Italy. I
    think that buying a bottle of methylated spirit ( or the Italian equivalent)
    might be a tad easier than buying the small camping gaz cylinders.

    IME it's very easy to get cheap spirit in the supermarkets
    (admittedly based on a single sample of the first one we tried in
    Livigno), so I imagine you'll do okay. What may be worth it is
    getting a small Sigg fuel bottle, they do a 300 ml, which will
    *not* leak and has pouring holes in the cap so you can deliver
    small quantities accurately. You don't have to have one of these
    to make them viable, but I do prefer it. Also other sizes if you
    want more between resupplies, and note that spirit burners get
    through more fuel than other stoves so if you're awau from resupply
    for several days at a time the next size up would probably make sense.

    Quoted message said:

    It is a long time ago that I used a spirit burner but I am experimenting at
    home at the moment to see how effective it is in cooking a typical stewpot
    that I tend to have most evenings on my travels.

    Have any camping tourers out there got experience of these at all! Or any
    words of advice!

    Trangias are pretty good with no moving parts to go wrong. Because
    they're so stable you can leave them burbling to themselves while
    you get on with something else, and you can use this to make up for
    the slow cooking speed (having once been mocked by an MSR owner for
    my slow Trangia I challenged him to a "first to dinner"
    competition, which he accepted and lost 30 seconds later because my
    dinner had already been cooking while I was putting up the tent and
    otherwise making camp!)

    What they don't give you is outright speed (not generally an issue
    for a leisurely brew up after a day on the road) and easily
    controlled output. The simmer ring sort of works, up to a point,
    but it's a PITA to use compared to a gas valve. For a stew or hot
    water, so what, but like David M. I usually use a gas adaptor which
    leaves you with the most stable windproof camping stove there is
    but faster and more control, but I do sometimes use spirit and it
    does work. If you have the Lidl version there's no guarantee the
    gas adapters ("official" from Primus or non-official from Markill
    at half the price) will fit, so do be wary.

    You don't have to use meths. Mine was run on old duplicator fluid
    for years, sadly impossible to find in these days of photocopiers,
    but lab alcohol works very well too, and is cleaner and less smelly
    than meths if you happen to know someone working in a lab. The
    stuff you'll buy in continental supermarkets isn't as smelly as
    meths either, and is considerably cheaper. For meths, add a little
    water and there's less soot produced.

    HTH, Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
    Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
    net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

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