Continuing fraud on eBay

Werehatrack said:

The same old fraudlent listings, yet again;

typical one:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5547875779

73 listings of bikes in all from the same source, all pretty much the
same as the previous listings, and all very obviously bogus.

EBay's been notified, but as it's a holiday weekend, I doubt that they
will act until Monday.

I wonder how they are avoiding the listing fees, otherwise it's gotta cost
them a fair amount of coin.

"Dave Thompson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Werehatrack said:

The same old fraudlent listings, yet again;

typical one:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5547875779

73 listings of bikes in all from the same source, all pretty much the
same as the previous listings, and all very obviously bogus.

EBay's been notified, but as it's a holiday weekend, I doubt that they
will act until Monday.

I wonder how they are avoiding the listing fees, otherwise it's gotta cost
them a fair amount of coin.>

You'd be amazed at the number of stolen credit cards out there.

Hey dude, maybe you should contact all the winners if possible and tell them
that its a scam..

Mike
http://mikebeauchamp.com

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Quoted message said:

The same old fraudlent listings, yet again;

typical one:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5547875779

73 listings of bikes in all from the same source, all pretty much the
same as the previous listings, and all very obviously bogus.

EBay's been notified, but as it's a holiday weekend, I doubt that they
will act until Monday.
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Dave Thompson said:

Werehatrack said:

The same old fraudlent listings, yet again;

typical one:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5547875779

73 listings of bikes in all from the same source, all pretty much the
same as the previous listings, and all very obviously bogus.

EBay's been notified, but as it's a holiday weekend, I doubt that they
will act until Monday.

I wonder how they are avoiding the listing fees, otherwise it's gotta cost
them a fair amount of coin.

Can you say "Probably listed using a stolen credit card?"
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Mike Beauchamp said:

Hey dude, maybe you should contact all the winners if possible and tell them
that its a scam..

Note that every one of the listings is "private"; only the seller can
see who's bidding. Note also that the seller has instructions in the
listing that tell potential buyers to contact him by email *before*
bidding, allegedly for shipping details, and "for buy it now price".
The fraudster is doing everything he can to keep anyone from knowing
who he has fleeced.
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Ahh.. interesting, I guess I didn't bother looking at the auction too hard.
Shame though.. I too have seen quite a few ebay scams without any way of
alerting anyone.
You'd think ebay would do something about it, but stolen [censored] and fraudulent
[censored] probably makes up a good chunk of their business. Otherwise, you'd see
some sort of voting system I'm sure. Whereas people can vote an auction as
fraudulent, and the votes are shown right on the auction and weighed
according to the voters feedback.

But then again, you'd have those crazy hong kong power sellers voting all
their competition as fraudulent.. forget that idea.

Mike
http://mikebeauchamp.com

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Quoted message said:

Mike Beauchamp said:

Hey dude, maybe you should contact all the winners if possible and tell
them
that its a scam..

Note that every one of the listings is "private"; only the seller can
see who's bidding. Note also that the seller has instructions in the
listing that tell potential buyers to contact him by email *before*
bidding, allegedly for shipping details, and "for buy it now price".
The fraudster is doing everything he can to keep anyone from knowing
who he has fleeced.
--
Typoes are a feature, not a bug.
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Werehatrack said:

The same old fraudlent listings, yet again;

typical one:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5547875779

73 listings of bikes in all from the same source, all pretty much the
same as the previous listings, and all very obviously bogus.

EBay's been notified, but as it's a holiday weekend, I doubt that they
will act until Monday.

Someone is on the ball. The listing were removed this Monday morning.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

Ahh.. interesting, I guess I didn't bother looking at the auction too hard.
Shame though.. I too have seen quite a few ebay scams without any way of
alerting anyone.
You'd think ebay would do something about it, but stolen [censored] and fraudulent
[censored] probably makes up a good chunk of their business. Otherwise, you'd see
some sort of voting system I'm sure. Whereas people can vote an auction as
fraudulent, and the votes are shown right on the auction and weighed
according to the voters feedback.

But then again, you'd have those crazy hong kong power sellers voting all
their competition as fraudulent.. forget that idea.

Ebay makes all their money from the sellers, so they have to be very nice
to them. That is why all their policies favor the seller. As long as the
seller is paying up on time, they will probably not do anything to the seller.
---------------
Alex

On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 13:37:51 -0500, Alex Rodriguez <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

Ahh.. interesting, I guess I didn't bother looking at the auction too hard.
Shame though.. I too have seen quite a few ebay scams without any way of
alerting anyone.
You'd think ebay would do something about it, but stolen [censored] and fraudulent
[censored] probably makes up a good chunk of their business. Otherwise, you'd see
some sort of voting system I'm sure. Whereas people can vote an auction as
fraudulent, and the votes are shown right on the auction and weighed
according to the voters feedback.

But then again, you'd have those crazy hong kong power sellers voting all
their competition as fraudulent.. forget that idea.

Ebay makes all their money from the sellers, so they have to be very nice
to them. That is why all their policies favor the seller. As long as the
seller is paying up on time, they will probably not do anything to the seller.

OTOH, it's likely to the point of near certainty that the fraudulent
seller isn't going to use a payment method that actually traces back
to him. EBay knows that there's a problem in the area of fraudulent
sales listings, but thus far they haven't been willing to institute
the few changes that would be required in order to knock out the
common types that I've seen. They need to adopt the same new user
verification process that PayPal employs before allowing the new user
to establish himself as a seller, for one thing, and they really need
to have somebody taking a close look at sales listings posted by
zero-feedback accounts, particularly when there are lots of them from
a single userwith high item values. (Yes, of course, the fraudsters
can always start the auctions at one cent, but thus far that has not
typically been the case.)

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Dave Thompson said:

Werehatrack said:

The same old fraudlent listings, yet again;

typical one:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5547875779

73 listings of bikes in all from the same source, all pretty much the
same as the previous listings, and all very obviously bogus.

EBay's been notified, but as it's a holiday weekend, I doubt that they
will act until Monday.

Someone is on the ball. The listing were removed this Monday morning.

And they're back, a double run of them, with two more user IDs,
tonight. Search for 2005 Litespeed and you'll find them.

The new batch has been reported, but thus far they're still up and
running.
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On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 13:37:51 -0500, Alex Rodriguez <[email hidden]>
wrote:

OTOH, it's likely to the point of near certainty that the fraudulent
seller isn't going to use a payment method that actually traces back
to him. EBay knows that there's a problem in the area of fraudulent
sales listings, but thus far they haven't been willing to institute
the few changes that would be required in order to knock out the
common types that I've seen. They need to adopt the same new user
verification process that PayPal employs before allowing the new user
to establish himself as a seller, for one thing, and they really need
to have somebody taking a close look at sales listings posted by
zero-feedback accounts, particularly when there are lots of them from
a single userwith high item values. (Yes, of course, the fraudsters
can always start the auctions at one cent, but thus far that has not
typically been the case.)

eBay's Director of Sales for its bicycle category was quoted in BRAIN saying
that eBay is only a portal to bring buyers and sellers together and is not
responsible for fraud. Forbes Magazine also listed eBay's CEO as one of the
3 worst CEO's of US corporations.... big surprise there, eh?

Stuart Winsor
Ground Zero Cycles
[email hidden]

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I wonder how they are avoiding the listing fees, otherwise it's gotta cost
them a fair amount of coin.

Usually listed on stolen e-bay accounts that have had the ebay ID
changed. All seller accounts have a credit card attached to them. They
are not paying any seller fees, the stolen accounts owner is paying them...

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Let the bridges I burn light my way...

If that is an accurate statement. That should be presented at the next stock
holders meeting. Also, If its true and a buyer got taken he could bring a law
suit against E-Bay as they where part of the transaction. They are the broker
of the deal as they receive commisions on the sales.
Again, that is if the statement made by the CEO is true.