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dvt said:

David L. Johnson said:

dvt said:

The price for the new Avocets doesn't seem to be dropping. Maybe I'm
looking in the wrong places.

Quoted message said:

You had mentioned Harris Cyclery later. But they have several Avocet
sizes at $24.95.

Yeah, but I'm still waiting for the order I placed at about this time
last year. My credit card wasn't billed, so I'm not complaining too much.

I've never had trouble ordering stuff from Sheldon. I get most of my
tires there, as well as a bunch of other stuff. Good service, good
prices, rare parts found, and if it is out of stock, they let you know.

Quoted message said:

I was talking about the *new* Avocets (with or without Kevlar) for $40.
The *old* Avocet FasGrip tires are still available via Harris at $25,
but see the previous paragraph on that topic.

I think those are not the old ones. I got what he said were the last of
his "Criterium" stock over a year ago.

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David L. Johnson

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David L. Johnson said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>The price for the new Avocets doesn't seem to be dropping. Maybe I'm
>looking in the wrong places.

"dvt":

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

You had mentioned Harris Cyclery later. But they have several Avocet
sizes at $24.95.

Yeah, but I'm still waiting for the order I placed at about this time
last year. My credit card wasn't billed, so I'm not complaining too much.

David:

Quoted message said:

I've never had trouble ordering stuff from Sheldon. I get most of my
tires there, as well as a bunch of other stuff. Good service, good
prices, rare parts found, and if it is out of stock, they let you know.

Thanckx for the plug. Avocet FasGrip tires are great, but getting them
from Avocet is always a major hemorrhoid. They can only be ordered from
Avocet, there are no independent distributors, so when Avocet is out of
'em, there's no alternate source. Avocet's high minimum-order levels
also preclude onesies and twosies orders.

We did finally receive a very large shipment last week, and back orders
should have been taken care of by now. Our stock is pretty good at the
moment.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I was talking about the *new* Avocets (with or without Kevlar) for $40.
The *old* Avocet FasGrip tires are still available via Harris at $25,
but see the previous paragraph on that topic.

I think those are not the old ones. I got what he said were the last of
his "Criterium" stock over a year ago.

Right, the tan-wall tires are now all gone. The new ones are uglier,
but don't seem inferior in any other respect.

Sheldon "Insert Nickname Here" Brown
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Quoted message said:

Jeff Wills said:

Not quite correct.
20 x 1 1/8" is roughly ISO size 451-28.
20 x 1.125" is 406-28. Continental Grand Prix only comes in the
latter size. Schwalbe Stelvio comes in both.

Jeff (getting picky again, I know)

Ok, but Continental describe their 406-28 as 20" 1 1/8 and Schwalbe
describe both 451-28 and 406-28 as 20" 1 1/8. Whats going on?

http://www.schwalbe.com/index.pl?bereich=produkte&einsatzbereich=2&produktgruppe=3&produkt=122
http://www.conti-online.com/generator/www/de/en/continental/bicycle/themes/tires/race/grand_prix/grand_prix_en.html

Disagreements about nomenclature is what's going on. See
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/tire_sizing.html#fractiondecimal
Continental's 100% wrong. Schwalbe's only 50% wrong.
Now do you know why I like the ISO/ETRTO tire size designations?

Jeff

David L. Johnson said:

On Thu, 06 May 2004 08:42:44 -0400, dvt wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

David L. Johnson said:

You had mentioned Harris Cyclery later. But they have several Avocet
sizes at $24.95.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Yeah, but I'm still waiting for the order I placed at about this time
last year. My credit card wasn't billed, so I'm not complaining too much.

Quoted message said:

I've never had trouble ordering stuff from Sheldon. I get most of my
tires there, as well as a bunch of other stuff. Good service, good
prices, rare parts found, and if it is out of stock, they let you know.

I agree with much of that. I suspect my experience was an anomaly.
There's another thread on this forum regarding blacklisted domains; I
guess it's possible that something of that nature occured with my messages.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I was talking about the *new* Avocets (with or without Kevlar) for $40.
The *old* Avocet FasGrip tires are still available via Harris at $25,
but see the previous paragraph on that topic.

Quoted message said:

I think those are not the old ones. I got what he said were the last of
his "Criterium" stock over a year ago.

I just read it again. I think you are correct, David, and I was wrong.
Sheldon, if you're still looking at this thread, I was confused because
this line appears next to the 700x25C non-Kevlar Avocet: "The newer
production is all black, older production has tan sidewalls." (URL:
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/tires/622.html) I had (apparently
incorrectly) interpreted this to mean that the non-Kevlar Avocets were
the old version with tan sidewalls.

Summary: I guess I should try again this year. At $25 a pop, it looks
like a reasonable price on a good tire.

Thanks to both of you for helping me out.

--
Dave
dvt at psu dot edu

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Quoted message said:

David L. Johnson said:

On Thu, 06 May 2004 08:42:44 -0400, dvt wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

David L. Johnson wrote:
>You had mentioned Harris Cyclery later. But they have several Avocet
>sizes at $24.95.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Yeah, but I'm still waiting for the order I placed at about this time
last year. My credit card wasn't billed, so I'm not complaining too

much.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I've never had trouble ordering stuff from Sheldon. I get most of my
tires there, as well as a bunch of other stuff. Good service, good
prices, rare parts found, and if it is out of stock, they let you know.

I agree with much of that. I suspect my experience was an anomaly.
There's another thread on this forum regarding blacklisted domains; I
guess it's possible that something of that nature occured with my

messages.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I was talking about the *new* Avocets (with or without Kevlar) for $40.
The *old* Avocet FasGrip tires are still available via Harris at $25,
but see the previous paragraph on that topic.

Quoted message said:

I think those are not the old ones. I got what he said were the last of
his "Criterium" stock over a year ago.

I just read it again. I think you are correct, David, and I was wrong.
Sheldon, if you're still looking at this thread, I was confused because
this line appears next to the 700x25C non-Kevlar Avocet: "The newer
production is all black, older production has tan sidewalls." (URL:
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/tires/622.html) I had (apparently
incorrectly) interpreted this to mean that the non-Kevlar Avocets were
the old version with tan sidewalls.

Summary: I guess I should try again this year. At $25 a pop, it looks
like a reasonable price on a good tire.

If you're looking for the older 700x28 (actually measure 24-26mm wide)
Avocet Fasgrip 20 tires (black with tan sidewalls), it appears that he White
has the Road 20 for $23 ($27 if you want Kevlar) here:

http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/roadtires.htm

Sheldon Brown said:

Right, the tan-wall tires are now all gone. The new ones are uglier,
but don't seem inferior in any other respect.

When I lived in Central Texas, my main beef with Avocets was the tan
wall, which would quickly grow crispy and dandruffy from UV damage.
Even when I was putting in regular 300-mile weeks, most times I had to
replace tires (any tires) was because the sidewalls were fraying.

It frustrated me that it took so long for manufacturers to add some UV
protection in the form of black pigment. Since that time, though, I
have bever seen a black skinwall ruined from sidewall exposure alone.
You may consider them ugly, but I think they look a lot better than a
leprous tan skinwall.

I like the clean profile that black skinwalls give a bike, and I
especially like the Euro-market kind with a reflective sidwall stripe.
The unpigmented kind of tire always struck me as unfinished-looking.
I like to see bare metal and bare wood, but somehow bare latex and
nylon don't convey the same purity to me.

Chalo Colina