Contains: Fish.

"Andy" <q> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

From Burger King's Ingredients list:

Angus Steak Burger Patty

Angus Beef, Seasoning [Encapsulated Salt (Salt, Partially Hydrogenated
Soybean Oil), Flavorings, Beef Stock, and Silicon Dioxide]. Soy Lecithin
used
as a processing aid. Contains: Fish.

???

Shouldn't that be listed in the ingredients?

Andy

Looks like it was, if you typed it the way it was shown on the wrapper.

Andy said:

Angus Beef, Seasoning [Encapsulated Salt (Salt, Partially Hydrogenated
Soybean Oil), Flavorings, Beef Stock, and Silicon Dioxide]. Soy Lecithin used
as a processing aid. Contains: Fish.

Shouldn't that be listed in the ingredients?

Andy

Isn't that where the soy lecithin came in?

Andy' q said:

From Burger King's Ingredients list:

Angus Steak Burger Patty

Angus Beef, Seasoning [Encapsulated Salt (Salt, Partially Hydrogenated
Soybean Oil), Flavorings, Beef Stock, and Silicon Dioxide]. Soy Lecithin
used
as a processing aid. Contains: Fish.

???

Shouldn't that be listed in the ingredients?

I'm not sure, but the "fish" might refer to something in the "flavorings"
ingredient. It might be like those cautions on foods that say "product may
contain peanuts" for something that supposedly has no peanuts. In the peanut
case, it's because the same processing equipment is used for many things,
including products with peanuts.

I'm just going to take a guess at this and say the burger contains anchovies
for flavoring (as in worcestershire sauce).

--
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wff_ng_7 said:

I'm just going to take a guess at this and say the burger contains
anchovies for flavoring (as in worcestershire sauce).

I found the following on the FDA web site regarding flavorings. It talks
about the issue of allergens in the flavorings category. I'm pretty sure
based on this that it probably is anchovies or some other fish based
flavoring that the "contains: fish" is referring to. I don't know if it is
required by law yet.

From the FDA web site:
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Section 403 of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (the act)
(21 U.S.C. 343) requires food labels to bear a complete listing of all
the ingredients in a food. This permits consumers to obtain accurate
information about the foods that they eat by reading the ingredient
list. However, the act and FDA's regulations provide two narrow
exemptions from the ingredient labeling requirement. First, section
403(i) of the act provides that flavorings, spices, and colors may be
declared collectively without naming each one. In some instances, these
collective ingredients contain subingredients that are allergens. (FDA
is exploring whether allergenic ingredients in spices, flavorings, or
colors should be declared, section 403(i) of the act notwithstanding.)

The undeclared presence of allergens in foods is a serious public
health issue because the ingestion of food allergens is potentially
life-threatening to sensitive individuals. Therefore, as part of its
public health mission to keep food safe, FDA has been focusing
increased attention and activity on issues relating to food allergens,
especially the proper labeling of products containing such allergens
and the control of food allergens in products not intended to contain
such allergens.
----

and

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Currently, the only successful method to manage food allergy is
avoidance of foods containing the allergen. FDA's allergen awareness
efforts are currently focused on the eight foods that are most
frequently implicated in serious allergic responses: (1) Peanuts; (2)
soybeans; (3) milk; (4) eggs; (5) fish; (6) crustacea (e.g., lobster,
crab, shrimp); (7) tree nuts (e.g., almonds, chestnuts, macadamia nuts,
pecans, walnuts, hazelnuts or filberts, cashews, brazil nuts,
pistachios, pine nuts); and (8) wheat.
----

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wff_ng_7 said...

Quoted message said:

Andy' q said:

From Burger King's Ingredients list:

Angus Steak Burger Patty

Angus Beef, Seasoning [Encapsulated Salt (Salt, Partially Hydrogenated
Soybean Oil), Flavorings, Beef Stock, and Silicon Dioxide]. Soy
Lecithin used
as a processing aid. Contains: Fish.

???

Shouldn't that be listed in the ingredients?

I'm not sure, but the "fish" might refer to something in the
"flavorings" ingredient. It might be like those cautions on foods that
say "product may contain peanuts" for something that supposedly has no
peanuts. In the peanut case, it's because the same processing equipment
is used for many things, including products with peanuts.

I'm just going to take a guess at this and say the burger contains
anchovies for flavoring (as in worcestershire sauce).

OK, fair assumption. I use that for beef flavoring as well.

It COULD be a food allergen to some folks at the Burger King drive-thru,
and they'll never have a clue why they got sick because it's not in
blinking red lights on the menu board item Angus Burger / <blink>Contains:
Fish</blink>.

:/

Andy

wff_ng_7 said:

Andy' q said:

From Burger King's Ingredients list:

Angus Steak Burger Patty

Angus Beef, Seasoning [Encapsulated Salt (Salt, Partially Hydrogenated
Soybean Oil), Flavorings, Beef Stock, and Silicon Dioxide]. Soy Lecithin
used
as a processing aid. Contains: Fish.

???

Shouldn't that be listed in the ingredients?

I'm not sure, but the "fish" might refer to something in the "flavorings"
ingredient.

That's what I figure.

The mystery for me is why doesn't it say "contains soy", or
"contains beef" if they're trying to warn vegetarians or allergy
sufferers.

-sw

wff_ng_7 said:

(1) Peanuts; (2)
soybeans; (3) milk; (4) eggs; (5) fish; (6) crustacea (e.g., lobster,
crab, shrimp); (7) tree nuts (e.g., almonds, chestnuts, macadamia nuts,
pecans, walnuts, hazelnuts or filberts, cashews, brazil nuts,
pistachios, pine nuts); and (8) wheat.

I'm not allergic to fish, but I'm often allergic to sea
crustaceans. If they're trying to warm me, then they're doing a
[censored] poor job by calling it "fish".

-sw

Steve Wertz said:

Quoted message said:

I'm not sure, but the "fish" might refer to something in the "flavorings"
ingredient.

That's what I figure.

The mystery for me is why doesn't it say "contains soy", or
"contains beef" if they're trying to warn vegetarians or allergy
sufferers.

It's because those are explicitly called out in the ingredients. The
"contains: fish" is added because of the loophole with flavorings not having
to be individually listed. I'm not sure if this is actually required yet
from my limited reading of the material on the FDA web site. It seems as if
they were still working on it.

--
wff_ng_7 (at) verizon (dot) net

wff_ng_7 said:

Steve Wertz said:

Quoted message said:

I'm not sure, but the "fish" might refer to something in the "flavorings"
ingredient.

That's what I figure.

The mystery for me is why doesn't it say "contains soy", or
"contains beef" if they're trying to warn vegetarians or allergy
sufferers.

It's because those are explicitly called out in the ingredients. The
"contains: fish" is added because of the loophole with flavorings not having
to be individually listed. I'm not sure if this is actually required yet
from my limited reading of the material on the FDA web site. It seems as if
they were still working on it.

I guess that makes sense.

My favorite label is the gallon of milk that list ingredients as
"Milk. WARNING: Contains milk."

-sw

Goomba38 said:

Andy said:

Angus Beef, Seasoning [Encapsulated Salt (Salt, Partially
Hydrogenated Soybean Oil), Flavorings, Beef Stock, and Silicon
Dioxide]. Soy Lecithin used as a processing aid. Contains: Fish.

Shouldn't that be listed in the ingredients?

Andy

Isn't that where the soy lecithin came in?

Exactly. They just printed the label a little oddly. It should say "Soy
Lecithin used as a processing aid (contains Fish)."

Jill

jmcquown said...

Quoted message said:

Exactly. They just printed the label a little oddly. It should say "Soy
Lecithin used as a processing aid (contains Fish)."

Jill

Jill,

I only got the ingredient list from their website. I have no idea if it's
printed on the serving container.

That said, I've not found the word "fish" on any web page for soy lecithin.

Andy

Steve Wertz said:

wff_ng_7 said:

Steve Wertz said:

> I'm not sure, but the "fish" might refer to something in the
> "flavorings"
> ingredient.

That's what I figure.

The mystery for me is why doesn't it say "contains soy", or
"contains beef" if they're trying to warn vegetarians or allergy
sufferers.

It's because those are explicitly called out in the ingredients. The
"contains: fish" is added because of the loophole with flavorings not
having
to be individually listed. I'm not sure if this is actually required yet
from my limited reading of the material on the FDA web site. It seems as
if
they were still working on it.

I guess that makes sense.

My favorite label is the gallon of milk that list ingredients as
"Milk. WARNING: Contains milk."

Apparently the allergen warnings are required by law now (as of 01/2006).
Following is the law and the related FDA guidance:

http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/alrgact.html (law)
http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/alrguid4.html (guidance)

The thing that I can't figure out is whether this applies to meals at fast
food places. The guidance has the following two statements:

"labeling requirements do not apply to foods provided by a retail food
establishment that are placed in a wrapper or container in response to a
consumer's order - such as the paper or box used to convey a sandwich that
has been prepared in response to a consumer's order"

and

"FDA regulates all foods except meat products, poultry products, and certain
egg products

[Let me complete that thought... I hit the wrong key and sent it
prematurely.]

Steve Wertz said:

wff_ng_7 said:

Steve Wertz said:

> I'm not sure, but the "fish" might refer to something in the
> "flavorings"
> ingredient.

That's what I figure.

The mystery for me is why doesn't it say "contains soy", or
"contains beef" if they're trying to warn vegetarians or allergy
sufferers.

It's because those are explicitly called out in the ingredients. The
"contains: fish" is added because of the loophole with flavorings not
having
to be individually listed. I'm not sure if this is actually required yet
from my limited reading of the material on the FDA web site. It seems as
if
they were still working on it.

I guess that makes sense.

My favorite label is the gallon of milk that list ingredients as
"Milk. WARNING: Contains milk."

Apparently the allergen warnings are required by law now (as of 01/2006).
Following is the law and the related FDA guidance:

http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/alrgact.html (law)
http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/alrguid4.html (guidance)

The thing that I can't figure out is whether this applies to meals at fast
food places. The guidance has the following two statements:

"labeling requirements do not apply to foods provided by a retail food
establishment that are placed in a wrapper or container in response to a
consumer's order - such as the paper or box used to convey a sandwich that
has been prepared in response to a consumer's order"

and

"FDA regulates all foods except meat products, poultry products, and certain
egg products"

I presume it doesn't apply (isn't required), but I guess you'd have to be a
lawyer to figure it out for sure. I don't think I've ever seen an
ingredients list on fast food.

--
wff_ng_7 (at) verizon (dot) net

jmcquown said:

Goomba38 said:

Andy wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Angus Beef, Seasoning [Encapsulated Salt (Salt, Partially
Hydrogenated Soybean Oil), Flavorings, Beef Stock, and Silicon
Dioxide]. Soy Lecithin used as a processing aid. Contains: Fish.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Shouldn't that be listed in the ingredients?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Andy

Quoted message said:

Isn't that where the soy lecithin came in?

Exactly. They just printed the label a little oddly. It should say "Soy
Lecithin used as a processing aid (contains Fish)."

Jill

It's more likely to be the Flavorings or something in the beef stock
(maybe fish bones are easier to get then beef?)

maxine in ri

wff_ng_7 said:

[Let me complete that thought... I hit the wrong key and sent it
prematurely.]

Steve Wertz said:

wff_ng_7 said:

"Steve Wertz" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> I'm not sure, but the "fish" might refer to something in the
>> "flavorings"
>> ingredient.
>
> That's what I figure.
>
> The mystery for me is why doesn't it say "contains soy", or
> "contains beef" if they're trying to warn vegetarians or allergy
> sufferers.

It's because those are explicitly called out in the ingredients. The
"contains: fish" is added because of the loophole with flavorings not
having
to be individually listed. I'm not sure if this is actually required yet
from my limited reading of the material on the FDA web site. It seems as
if
they were still working on it.

I guess that makes sense.

My favorite label is the gallon of milk that list ingredients as
"Milk. WARNING: Contains milk."

Apparently the allergen warnings are required by law now (as of 01/2006).
Following is the law and the related FDA guidance:

http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/alrgact.html (law)
http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/alrguid4.html (guidance)

The thing that I can't figure out is whether this applies to meals at fast
food places. The guidance has the following two statements:

"labeling requirements do not apply to foods provided by a retail food
establishment that are placed in a wrapper or container in response to a
consumer's order - such as the paper or box used to convey a sandwich that
has been prepared in response to a consumer's order"

So this would seem to indicate that sit-down restaurants where
food is served on plates *must comply* with the allergen
statements. I've never seen those on any menu.

Quoted message said:

"FDA regulates all foods except meat products, poultry products, and certain
egg products"

Those are under USDA control. They didn't mention fruits and
vegetables, though.

It's all pretty convoluted.

-sw

maxine in ri said:

jmcquown said:

Goomba38 said:

Andy wrote:

Quoted message said:

> Angus Beef, Seasoning [Encapsulated Salt (Salt, Partially
> Hydrogenated Soybean Oil), Flavorings, Beef Stock, and Silicon
> Dioxide]. Soy Lecithin used as a processing aid. Contains: Fish.

Quoted message said:

> Shouldn't that be listed in the ingredients?

Quoted message said:

> Andy

Quoted message said:

Isn't that where the soy lecithin came in?

Exactly. They just printed the label a little oddly. It should say
"Soy Lecithin used as a processing aid (contains Fish)."

Jill

It's more likely to be the Flavorings or something in the beef stock
(maybe fish bones are easier to get then beef?)

maxine in ri

Maybe but fish usually costs more (at least around here) than beef does.
It's nuts. So the likely answer is don't buy the Angus Beef Burger from
Burger King 😉

Jill

Andy said:

From Burger King's Ingredients list:

Angus Steak Burger Patty

Angus Beef, Seasoning [Encapsulated Salt (Salt, Partially Hydrogenated
Soybean Oil), Flavorings, Beef Stock, and Silicon Dioxide]. Soy Lecithin used
as a processing aid. Contains: Fish.

???

Shouldn't that be listed in the ingredients?

Andy

If the flavorings used include Worchestshire Sauce,
the "Contains: Fish" might refer to anchovies.

Rich

"Goomba38" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Andy said:

Angus Beef, Seasoning [Encapsulated Salt (Salt, Partially Hydrogenated
Soybean Oil), Flavorings, Beef Stock, and Silicon Dioxide]. Soy Lecithin
used as a processing aid. Contains: Fish.

Shouldn't that be listed in the ingredients?

Andy

Isn't that where the soy lecithin came in?

Soy lecithin comes from soy beans.

Ms P

Ms P said:

"Goomba38" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Andy said:

Angus Beef, Seasoning [Encapsulated Salt (Salt, Partially Hydrogenated
Soybean Oil), Flavorings, Beef Stock, and Silicon Dioxide]. Soy Lecithin
used as a processing aid. Contains: Fish.

Shouldn't that be listed in the ingredients?

Andy

Isn't that where the soy lecithin came in?

Soy lecithin comes from soy beans.

It surprises me that the vegetarians haven't invented a Soy Fish
yet.

-sw