Contador can ITT ?

Keith said:

Looks like the Bruyneel led miracle is happening again, take a guy who
can't ITT and turn him into the best ITT racer (or almost)...why isn't
anyone surpised ?

Dumbass -

Not saying that Contador/Bruyneel are clean, but Contador hasn't been
around long enough to establish a lack of TT ability. Last year he was
young enough to compete in Tour D'Avenir.

Moreover, when Contador was w/ Seguros, he won the ITT in the 2005
Vuelta al País Vasco while "only" taking 3rd overall. Perhaps one
could make the conclusion (if one were to base one's conclusions about
a racer soley on race results) that Contador was a good ITTer and lost
that race because of his lack of climbing skills.

thanks,

K. Grinigoni.

Kurgan Gringioni said:

Keith said:

Looks like the Bruyneel led miracle is happening again, take a guy who
can't ITT and turn him into the best ITT racer (or almost)...why isn't
anyone surpised ?

Dumbass -

Not saying that Contador/Bruyneel are clean, but Contador hasn't been
around long enough to establish a lack of TT ability. Last year he was
young enough to compete in Tour D'Avenir.

Moreover, when Contador was w/ Seguros, he won the ITT in the 2005
Vuelta al País Vasco while "only" taking 3rd overall. Perhaps one
could make the conclusion (if one were to base one's conclusions about
a racer soley on race results) that Contador was a good ITTer and lost
that race because of his lack of climbing skills.

Contador got 7th and 5th in the ITTs in last year's TdF,
which like most Tour ITTs were longer and harder
(in terms of the competition) than the ones in the Giro.

So if it's all due to underhanded Bruyneel blue magic,
it happened last year, not just in 2008.

Ben

Kurgan Gringioni said:

Keith said:

Looks like the Bruyneel led miracle is happening again, take a guy who
can't ITT and turn him into the best ITT racer (or almost)...why isn't
anyone surpised ?

Dumbass -

Not saying that Contador/Bruyneel are clean, but Contador hasn't been
around long enough to establish a lack of TT ability. Last year he was
young enough to compete in Tour D'Avenir.

Moreover, when Contador was w/ Seguros, he won the ITT in the 2005
Vuelta al País Vasco while "only" taking 3rd overall. Perhaps one
could make the conclusion (if one were to base one's conclusions about
a racer soley on race results) that Contador was a good ITTer and lost
that race because of his lack of climbing skills.

thanks,

K. Grinigoni.

If there had been anyone else racing at Vuelta al País Vasco, Contador
would have finished 30th.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Quoted post said:

Kurgan Gringioni said:

Keith said:

Looks like the Bruyneel led miracle is happening again, take a guy who
can't ITT and turn him into the best ITT racer (or almost)...why isn't
anyone surpised ?

Dumbass -

Not saying that Contador/Bruyneel are clean, but Contador hasn't been
around long enough to establish a lack of TT ability. Last year he was
young enough to compete in Tour D'Avenir.

Moreover, when Contador was w/ Seguros, he won the ITT in the 2005
Vuelta al País Vasco while "only" taking 3rd overall. Perhaps one
could make the conclusion (if one were to base one's conclusions about
a racer soley on race results) that Contador was a good ITTer and lost
that race because of his lack of climbing skills.

Contador got 7th and 5th in the ITTs in last year's TdF,
which like most Tour ITTs were longer and harder
(in terms of the competition) than the ones in the Giro.

So if it's all due to underhanded Bruyneel blue magic,
it happened last year, not just in 2008.

He's had decent results in ITTs ever since he started back in '03, though I will
note that it was usually in shorter ones back then.

--
tanx,
Howard

Whatever happened to
Leon Trotsky?
He got an icepick
That made his ears burn.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

On May 21, 5:31 pm, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Kurgan Gringioni said:

On May 21, 3:11 pm, Keith <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Looks like the Bruyneel led miracle is happening again, take a guy who
can't ITT and turn him into the best ITT racer (or almost)...why isn't
anyone surpised ?

Quoted message said:

Dumbass -

Quoted message said:

Not saying that Contador/Bruyneel are clean, but Contador hasn't been
around long enough to establish a lack of TT ability. Last year he was
young enough to compete in Tour D'Avenir.

Quoted message said:

Moreover, when Contador was w/ Seguros, he won the ITT in the 2005
Vuelta al País Vasco while "only" taking 3rd overall. Perhaps one
could make the conclusion (if one were to base one's conclusions about
a racer soley on race results) that Contador was a good ITTer and lost
that race because of his lack of climbing skills.

Contador got 7th and 5th in the ITTs in last year's TdF,
which like most Tour ITTs were longer and harder
(in terms of the competition) than the ones in the Giro.

So if it's all due to underhanded Bruyneel blue magic,
it happened last year, not just in 2008.

Ben

Dumbass -

Errr . . . he was w/ Bruyneel last year too.

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

"Kurgan Gringioni" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Contador got 7th and 5th in the ITTs in last year's TdF,
which like most Tour ITTs were longer and harder
(in terms of the competition) than the ones in the Giro.

So if it's all due to underhanded Bruyneel blue magic,
it happened last year, not just in 2008.

Ben

Dumbass -

Errr . . . he was w/ Bruyneel last year too.

thanks,

K. Gringioni.
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What does "Not just in 2008" mean?

Carl Sundquist said:

"Kurgan Gringioni" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Contador got 7th and 5th in the ITTs in last year's TdF,
which like most Tour ITTs were longer and harder
(in terms of the competition) than the ones in the Giro.

Quoted message said:

So if it's all due to underhanded Bruyneel blue magic,
it happened last year, not just in 2008.

Quoted message said:

Ben

Dumbass -

Errr . . . he was w/ Bruyneel last year too.

thanks,

K. Gringioni.
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What does "Not just in 2008" mean?

Dumbass -

I brain farted.

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

Keith said:

Quoted message said:

Looks like the Bruyneel led miracle is happening again, take a guy who
can't ITT and turn him into the best ITT racer (or almost)...why isn't
anyone surpised ?

Kurgan Gringioni said:

Not saying that Contador/Bruyneel are clean, but Contador hasn't been
around long enough to establish a lack of TT ability. Last year he was
young enough to compete in Tour D'Avenir.

Moreover, when Contador was w/ Seguros, he won the ITT in the 2005 Vuelta
al País Vasco while "only" taking 3rd overall. Perhaps one could make the
conclusion (if one were to base one's conclusions about a racer soley on
race results) that Contador was a good ITTer and lost that race because of
his lack of climbing skills.

In addition the 2nd half involved lots of climbing. Simoni did well too,
and he's not exactly renowned dor his TT abilities.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Moreover, when Contador was w/ Seguros, he won the ITT in the 2005 Vuelta
al País Vasco while "only" taking 3rd overall. Perhaps one could make the
conclusion (if one were to base one's conclusions about a racer soley on
race results) that Contador was a good ITTer and lost that race because of
his lack of climbing skills.

In addition the 2nd half involved lots of climbing. Simoni did well too,
and he's not exactly renowned dor his TT abilities.

True, that's probably the only reason I'm reserving judgement on
Contador until we get a flat ITT and we see how he does against
Kloden.

In spite of all the "affairs" I'd kept my interest in cycling at a
high level but if we get another LA clone for the next 5 years (i.e.
better than everyone, everywhere) I'm giving up. For a start it's just
not "human" and secondly it becomes uninteresting. I hope Bruyneel
gets caught once and for all.

Keith said:

if we get another LA clone for the next 5 years (i.e.
better than everyone, everywhere) I'm giving up.

dumbass,

that wouldn't be contador. he was beaten by rasmussen last year.

Keith said:

Looks like the Bruyneel led miracle is happening again, take a guy who
can't ITT and turn him into the best ITT racer (or almost)...why isn't
anyone surpised ?

I said Contador could TT three years ago and had great potential. Some
monkey contradicted me at the time.

http://tinyurl.com/4jckje

Keith said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Moreover, when Contador was w/ Seguros, he won the ITT in the 2005 Vuelta
al País Vasco while "only" taking 3rd overall. Perhaps one could makethe
conclusion (if one were to base one's conclusions about a racer soley on
race results) that Contador was a good ITTer and lost that race becauseof
his lack of climbing skills.

Quoted message said:

In addition the 2nd half involved lots of climbing. Simoni did well too,
and he's not exactly renowned dor his TT abilities.

True, that's probably the only reason I'm reserving judgement on
Contador until we get a flat ITT and we see how he does against
Kloden.

In spite of all the "affairs" I'd kept my interest in cycling at a
high level but if we get another LA clone for the next 5 years (i.e.
better than everyone, everywhere) I'm giving up. For a start it's just
not "human" and secondly it becomes uninteresting. I hope Bruyneel
gets caught once and for all.

Dumbass -

You've got your head up your ass. It would be more abnormal for
cycling to have parity. It's normal for there to be a dominant talent.

Before LANCE, there was Indurain. Before Indurain, Hinault. Before
Hinault, there was Merckx (TIOOYK). Before Merckx, there was Coppi.

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

In spite of all the "affairs" I'd kept my interest in cycling at a
high level but if we get another LA clone for the next 5 years (i.e.
better than everyone, everywhere) I'm giving up. For a start it's just
not "human" and secondly it becomes uninteresting. I hope Bruyneel
gets caught once and for all.

Dumbass -

You've got your head up your ass. It would be more abnormal for
cycling to have parity. It's normal for there to be a dominant talent.

Before LANCE, there was Indurain. Before Indurain, Hinault. Before
Hinault, there was Merckx (TIOOYK). Before Merckx, there was Coppi.

Numbnuts -
What changed with LA is that he trashed the competition EVERYWHERE,
ITT, Mountains for 7 YEARS and bonked only once (Joux Plane 2000),
champs like Merckx, Hinault or Fignon could only do that for one or
two years when they peaked.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Numbnuts -
What changed with LA is that he trashed the competition EVERYWHERE,
ITT, Mountains for 7 YEARS and bonked only once (Joux Plane 2000),
champs like Merckx, Hinault or Fignon could only do that for one or
two years when they peaked.

From 1991-1995 Indurain entered 9 grand tours and finished
no worse than 3rd in the 1994 Giro. That's 7 wins, including
4 consecutive in 1992-3, and 9 consecutive podium finishes.
He did that by trashing the competition everywhere.

Certainlub NOT IN THE MOUNTAINS,! He built his wins in the ITTs like
Hinault and Merckx before him. Granted he may have been able to do it,
but he didn't so we'll never know.

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Hinault won the Pernod Trophy for 5 consecutive years, from
1978-1982. He won 7 grand tours during that period, and a
[censored] of big one-day races. During that time he was the
best in the TTs and the best climber.

Best climber from 1978 to 1982 ?! What are you on ? Check your facts,
he lost several ITTs (here's a clue, 1979) and other than in 1981 he
certainly was NOT the best climber. Vam Impe, Winnen, Martinez, come
to mind.

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There are two things that differentiate LANCE from the rest,
and in my arrogant opinion they are related. One was that
LANCE limited the scope of his objectives far more than any
of the other top riders. The other was that he stayed injury
free. If he had ridden a race program like Hinault or Indurain
had, the odds would have swung strongly against him in that
respect. I think Indurain is a greater marvel in terms of
durability.

Bob Schwartz

Kurgan Gringioni said:

Keith said:

Quoted message said:

> Moreover, when Contador was w/ Seguros, he won the ITT in the 2005 Vuelta
> al País Vasco while "only" taking 3rd overall. Perhaps one could make the
> conclusion (if one were to base one's conclusions about a racer soleyon
> race results) that Contador was a good ITTer and lost that race because of
> his lack of climbing skills.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

In addition the 2nd half involved lots of climbing. Simoni did well too,
and he's not exactly renowned dor his TT abilities.

Quoted message said:

True, that's probably the only reason I'm reserving judgement on
Contador until we get a flat ITT and we see how he does against
Kloden.

Quoted message said:

In spite of all the "affairs" I'd kept my interest in cycling at a
high level but if we get another LA clone for the next 5 years (i.e.
better than everyone, everywhere) I'm giving up. For a start it's just
not "human" and secondly it becomes uninteresting. I hope Bruyneel
gets caught once and for all.

Dumbass -

You've got your head up your ass. It would be more abnormal for
cycling to have parity. It's normal for there to be a dominant talent.

Before LANCE, there was Indurain. Before Indurain, Hinault. Before
Hinault, there was Merckx (TIOOYK). Before Merckx, there was Coppi.

thanks,

K. Gringioni.- Hide quoted text -

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No, before Merckx it was Rick Van Looy.

Keith said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

In spite of all the "affairs" I'd kept my interest in cycling at a
high level but if we get another LA clone for the next 5 years (i.e.
better than everyone, everywhere) I'm giving up. For a start it's just
not "human" and secondly it becomes uninteresting. I hope Bruyneel
gets caught once and for all.

Quoted message said:

Dumbass -

Quoted message said:

You've got your head up your ass. It would be more abnormal for
cycling to have parity. It's normal for there to be a dominant talent.

Quoted message said:

Before LANCE, there was Indurain. Before Indurain, Hinault. Before
Hinault, there was Merckx (TIOOYK). Before Merckx, there was Coppi.

Numbnuts -
What changed with LA is that he trashed the competition EVERYWHERE,
ITT, Mountains for 7 YEARS and bonked only once (Joux Plane 2000),
champs like Merckx, Hinault or Fignon could only do that for one or
two years when they peaked.

Andre said:

Kurgan Gringioni said:

On May 22, 4:17 am, Keith <[email hidden]> wrote:

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Quoted message said:

>> Moreover, when Contador was w/ Seguros, he won the ITT in the 2005 Vuelta
>> al País Vasco while "only" taking 3rd overall. Perhaps one could make the
>> conclusion (if one were to base one's conclusions about a racer soley on
>> race results) that Contador was a good ITTer and lost that race because of
>> his lack of climbing skills.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>In addition the 2nd half involved lots of climbing. Simoni did well too,
>and he's not exactly renowned dor his TT abilities.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

True, that's probably the only reason I'm reserving judgement on
Contador until we get a flat ITT and we see how he does against
Kloden.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

In spite of all the "affairs" I'd kept my interest in cycling at a
high level but if we get another LA clone for the next 5 years (i.e.
better than everyone, everywhere) I'm giving up. For a start it's just
not "human" and secondly it becomes uninteresting. I hope Bruyneel
gets caught once and for all.

Quoted message said:

Dumbass -

Quoted message said:

You've got your head up your ass. It would be more abnormal for
cycling to have parity. It's normal for there to be a dominant talent.

Quoted message said:

Before LANCE, there was Indurain. Before Indurain, Hinault. Before
Hinault, there was Merckx (TIOOYK). Before Merckx, there was Coppi.

Quoted message said:

thanks,

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K. Gringioni.- Hide quoted text -

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No, before Merckx it was Rick Van Looy.

Right, Rik II won as many Grand Tours as I have.

Coppi may have been the most naturally talented cyclist ever, Merckx
not withstanding.

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Keith said:

Quoted message said:

> In spite of all the "affairs" I'd kept my interest in cycling at a
> high level but if we get another LA clone for the next 5 years (i.e.
> better than everyone, everywhere) I'm giving up. For a start it's just
> not "human" and secondly it becomes uninteresting. I hope Bruyneel
> gets caught once and for all.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Dumbass -

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

You've got your head up your ass. It would be more abnormal for
cycling to have parity. It's normal for there to be a dominant talent.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Before LANCE, there was Indurain. Before Indurain, Hinault. Before
Hinault, there was Merckx (TIOOYK). Before Merckx, there was Coppi.

Quoted message said:

Numbnuts -
What changed with LA is that he trashed the competition EVERYWHERE,
ITT, Mountains for 7 YEARS and bonked only once (Joux Plane 2000),
champs like Merckx, Hinault or Fignon could only do that for one or
two years when they peaked.

It's strange see this now-- LA laboring like a non-TT piker.