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  1. STEVE BAYT (Brook Park/Parma, Ohio)

    This months Consumer Reports does horrible injustice to the
    Nutritional Supplement industry. These postings hopefully,
    will be read by enough people to equal the readership of
    Consumer Reports.

    According to Frontline, in the 160 years of medical record
    keeping, 70,000 people have required medical treatment due
    to Nutritional Supplement use. That is an average of 450
    Americans annually have to go to hospitals for supplement
    use. In 2001, an average year, 107,000,000 Americans had to
    go to hospitals, according to the 2004 World Almanac.

    Consumer Reports endorses Senate Bill 722 which would apply
    to supplements the same standards of prescription drugs
    which produce 2,100,000 hospitalizations and 106,000
    American deaths every year.

    The government should be establishing programs to encourage
    supplement use, and even require those who can't afford
    health care (Medicare people) to take them. For an ounce of
    prevention is worth a ton of cure. And taking supplements is
    indeed contrary to the disclaimer on all containers and
    marketing. For example, it costs about $8 for a measles
    shot, but $4,000 to treat a kid with measles.

    The government and media seem to be intimidated by the
    surreal success of supplements. Friday most networks had
    stories on The Consumer Reports story filled with anecdotal
    stories of the one in 50,000 supplement users who can't read
    directions on labels, or who didn't tell their doctors what
    they were taking.

    The statistics quoted in Consumer Reports were entirely from
    THE FDA which has been out to get The Supplement Industry
    for decades.

    The fact is that the annual average death rate from
    Supplement use is
    116. There are more than 116 Driving Deaths in an hour in
    America. Yet, driving is very much legal.

    The few "Durbin Poster Boys" (similar to KS Poster Boys in
    SF in 1981) that Consumer Reports used comprise such a small
    number of supplement casualties that medical science can't
    form protocols. Nor make any suggestions on treating
    supplement patients.

    With a few hundred thousand doctors in America, it's not
    inconceivable a 25-year-old Intern back in the 1950's is yet
    to see their first supplement misuse patient. There are
    probably hospitals, which treat only one or two supplement
    patients in a year.

    The reason why "The FDA doesn't approve these claims. Yada
    yada yada." Is that there aren't enough people who have
    suffered symptoms to comprise a valid number of cases for a
    case study. It's not financially worth while for either the
    government, nor the private sector to do such studies. For a
    bazillion dollars would have to be spent to treat the 450-
    ish American supplement users in need of medical treatment.

    There are manufacturing quality ratings called "Six Sigma"
    and ISO9000. There are about 15 million Americans who
    consume about $1,500 yearly in supplements (I call them the
    15/15 club). There are also an additional 15 or so million
    Americans who take much less but still considerable amounts.

    Yet, with the 15/15 club and the other casual users, only
    450 Americans (out of 107,500,000 ER visits) have to go to
    hospitals annually. That is a success record beyond even Six
    Sigma or ISO900.

    The best doctors can do is tell those 450 to drink lots of
    water, take laxatives then stay near bathrooms for days. For
    there simply isn't enough of a sample to draw conclusions on
    treatments.

    The Consumer Reports cover uses the word deaths. Yet, no
    other activity in America produces so few (annual average
    116) deaths.

    Senator Durbin should be starting a commission to get
    supplements from undercapitalized manufacturers who didn't
    figure for marketing and distribution. Although Americans
    consume $19 billion yearly on Supplements, undercapitalized
    manufacturers throw away billions of dollars of unsold
    inventory. The government should get those before they are
    thrown out and give them to People With AIDS, and others who
    can't afford them. Those that could have many diseases
    prevented yet can't afford medical care.

    The virtually negligible cost of acquiring the trash bound
    supplements then distributing them via Homeless Shelters,
    AIDS Centers, Free Clinics would save Americans bazillions
    of billions of dollars spent every year in government
    financed low income medical treatment. Most of those treated
    had problems which could have been prevented.

    Instead of Durbin and the media being intimidated by the
    surreal success of the Nutritional Supplement industry. They
    should be using the industry to save millions of lives and
    bazillions of dollars.

    Consumer Reports should be condemned for creating any type
    of impression that supplements are dangerous. They took 12
    dangerous supplements which only 1 in 50,000 Americans
    (including the 15/15 club) provide enough consumers to
    market. Yet, not one paragraph or word told of the thousands
    of supplements which thousands of doctors are now
    prescribing to patients.

    Thousands of doctors are going to jail and loosing their
    licenses because they are sick of the barbaric practice of
    issuing drugs with horrific side effects. Instead going to
    alternative therapies which have a greater success with less
    side effects.

    Consumer Reports should do stories on the best supplements
    and profiles on the hero and heroine doctors who are going
    to alternative therapies.

    As for the medical community and it's use of supplements.
    That will be for my next article sometime before April
    9,2004. These articles will be cross posted until the equal
    number of people read the truth that Consumer Reports
    didn't tell.

    Help in posting would be appreciated.

  2. a lot of
    Steve Bayt <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    STEVE BAYT (Brook Park/Parma, Ohio)

    This months Consumer Reports does horrible injustice to
    the Nutritional Supplement industry. These postings
    hopefully, will be read by enough people to equal the
    readership of Consumer Reports.

    According to Frontline, in the 160 years of medical record
    keeping, 70,000 people have required medical treatment due
    to Nutritional Supplement use. That is an average of 450
    Americans annually have to go to hospitals for supplement
    use. In 2001, an average year, 107,000,000 Americans had
    to go to hospitals, according to the 2004 World Almanac.

    Consumer Reports endorses Senate Bill 722 which would
    apply to supplements the same standards of prescription
    drugs which produce 2,100,000 hospitalizations and 106,000
    American deaths every year.

    The government should be establishing programs to
    encourage supplement use, and even require those who can't
    afford health care (Medicare people) to take them. For an
    ounce of prevention is worth a ton of cure. And taking
    supplements is indeed contrary to the disclaimer on all
    containers and marketing. For example, it costs about $8
    for a measles shot, but $4,000 to treat a kid with
    measles.

    The government and media seem to be intimidated by the
    surreal success of supplements. Friday most networks had
    stories on The Consumer Reports story filled with
    anecdotal stories of the one in 50,000 supplement users
    who can't read directions on labels, or who didn't tell
    their doctors what they were taking.

    The statistics quoted in Consumer Reports were entirely
    from THE FDA which has been out to get The Supplement
    Industry for decades.

    The fact is that the annual average death rate from
    Supplement use is
    116. There are more than 116 Driving Deaths in an hour in
    America. Yet, driving is very much legal.

    The few "Durbin Poster Boys" (similar to KS Poster Boys in
    SF in 1981) that Consumer Reports used comprise such a
    small number of supplement casualties that medical science
    can't form protocols. Nor make any suggestions on treating
    supplement patients.

    With a few hundred thousand doctors in America, it's not
    inconceivable a 25-year-old Intern back in the 1950's is
    yet to see their first supplement misuse patient. There
    are probably hospitals, which treat only one or two
    supplement patients in a year.

    The reason why "The FDA doesn't approve these claims. Yada
    yada yada." Is that there aren't enough people who have
    suffered symptoms to comprise a valid number of cases for
    a case study. It's not financially worth while for either
    the government, nor the private sector to do such studies.
    For a bazillion dollars would have to be spent to treat
    the 450-ish American supplement users in need of medical
    treatment.

    There are manufacturing quality ratings called "Six Sigma"
    and ISO9000. There are about 15 million Americans who
    consume about $1,500 yearly in supplements (I call them
    the 15/15 club). There are also an additional 15 or so
    million Americans who take much less but still
    considerable amounts.

    Yet, with the 15/15 club and the other casual users, only
    450 Americans (out of 107,500,000 ER visits) have to go to
    hospitals annually. That is a success record beyond even
    Six Sigma or ISO900.

    The best doctors can do is tell those 450 to drink lots of
    water, take laxatives then stay near bathrooms for days.
    For there simply isn't enough of a sample to draw
    conclusions on treatments.

    The Consumer Reports cover uses the word deaths. Yet, no
    other activity in America produces so few (annual average
    116) deaths.

    Senator Durbin should be starting a commission to get
    supplements from undercapitalized manufacturers who didn't
    figure for marketing and distribution. Although Americans
    consume $19 billion yearly on Supplements,
    undercapitalized manufacturers throw away billions of
    dollars of unsold inventory. The government should get
    those before they are thrown out and give them to People
    With AIDS, and others who can't afford them. Those that
    could have many diseases prevented yet can't afford
    medical care.

    The virtually negligible cost of acquiring the trash bound
    supplements then distributing them via Homeless Shelters,
    AIDS Centers, Free Clinics would save Americans bazillions
    of billions of dollars spent every year in government
    financed low income medical treatment. Most of those
    treated had problems which could have been prevented.

    Instead of Durbin and the media being intimidated by the
    surreal success of the Nutritional Supplement industry.
    They should be using the industry to save millions of
    lives and bazillions of dollars.

    Consumer Reports should be condemned for creating any type
    of impression that supplements are dangerous. They took 12
    dangerous supplements which only 1 in 50,000 Americans
    (including the 15/15 club) provide enough consumers to
    market. Yet, not one paragraph or word told of the
    thousands of supplements which thousands of doctors are
    now prescribing to patients.

    Thousands of doctors are going to jail and loosing their
    licenses because they are sick of the barbaric practice of
    issuing drugs with horrific side effects. Instead going to
    alternative therapies which have a greater success with
    less side effects.

    Consumer Reports should do stories on the best supplements
    and profiles on the hero and heroine doctors who are going
    to alternative therapies.

    As for the medical community and it's use of supplements.
    That will be for my next article sometime before April
    9,2004. These articles will be cross posted until the
    equal number of people read the truth that Consumer
    Reports didn't tell.

    Help in posting would be appreciated.

  3. "Steve Bayt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    STEVE BAYT (Brook Park/Parma, Ohio)

    Hiya Stevie....

    What's up? Still whining over the FDA getting more powers to
    regulate the chemicals called suplements and herbs?

    BTW, you still have not explained how SB722 would put these
    companies out of busienss, if their products were safe.

    Spend a few minutes and let the world know.

    Quoted message said:

    This months Consumer Reports does horrible injustice to
    the Nutritional Supplement industry. These postings
    hopefully, will be read by enough people to equal the
    readership of Consumer Reports.

    According to Frontline, in the 160 years of medical record
    keeping, 70,000 people have required medical treatment due
    to Nutritional Supplement use. That is an average of 450
    Americans annually have to go to hospitals for supplement
    use. In 2001, an average year, 107,000,000 Americans had
    to go to hospitals, according to the 2004 World Almanac.

    Consumer Reports endorses Senate Bill 722 which would
    apply to supplements the same standards of prescription
    drugs which produce 2,100,000 hospitalizations and 106,000
    American deaths every year.

    The government should be establishing programs to
    encourage supplement use, and even require those who can't
    afford health care (Medicare people) to take them. For an
    ounce of prevention is worth a ton of cure. And taking
    supplements is indeed contrary to the disclaimer on all
    containers and marketing. For example, it costs about $8
    for a measles shot, but $4,000 to treat a kid with
    measles.

    The government and media seem to be intimidated by the
    surreal success of supplements. Friday most networks had
    stories on The Consumer Reports story filled with
    anecdotal stories of the one in 50,000 supplement users
    who can't read directions on labels, or who didn't tell
    their doctors what they were taking.

    The statistics quoted in Consumer Reports were entirely
    from THE FDA which has been out to get The Supplement
    Industry for decades.

    The fact is that the annual average death rate from
    Supplement use is
    116. There are more than 116 Driving Deaths in an hour in
    America. Yet, driving is very much legal.

    The few "Durbin Poster Boys" (similar to KS Poster Boys in
    SF in 1981) that Consumer Reports used comprise such a
    small number of supplement casualties that medical science
    can't form protocols. Nor make any suggestions on treating
    supplement patients.

    With a few hundred thousand doctors in America, it's not
    inconceivable a 25-year-old Intern back in the 1950's is
    yet to see their first supplement misuse patient. There
    are probably hospitals, which treat only one or two
    supplement patients in a year.

    The reason why "The FDA doesn't approve these claims. Yada
    yada yada." Is that there aren't enough people who have
    suffered symptoms to comprise a valid number of cases for
    a case study. It's not financially worth while for either
    the government, nor the private sector to do such studies.
    For a bazillion dollars would have to be spent to treat
    the 450-ish American supplement users in need of medical
    treatment.

    There are manufacturing quality ratings called "Six Sigma"
    and ISO9000. There are about 15 million Americans who
    consume about $1,500 yearly in supplements (I call them
    the 15/15 club). There are also an additional 15 or so
    million Americans who take much less but still
    considerable amounts.

    Yet, with the 15/15 club and the other casual users, only
    450 Americans (out of 107,500,000 ER visits) have to go to
    hospitals annually. That is a success record beyond even
    Six Sigma or ISO900.

    The best doctors can do is tell those 450 to drink lots of
    water, take laxatives then stay near bathrooms for days.
    For there simply isn't enough of a sample to draw
    conclusions on treatments.

    The Consumer Reports cover uses the word deaths. Yet, no
    other activity in America produces so few (annual average
    116) deaths.

    Senator Durbin should be starting a commission to get
    supplements from undercapitalized manufacturers who didn't
    figure for marketing and distribution. Although Americans
    consume $19 billion yearly on Supplements,
    undercapitalized manufacturers throw away billions of
    dollars of unsold inventory. The government should get
    those before they are thrown out and give them to People
    With AIDS, and others who can't afford them. Those that
    could have many diseases prevented yet can't afford
    medical care.

    The virtually negligible cost of acquiring the trash bound
    supplements then distributing them via Homeless Shelters,
    AIDS Centers, Free Clinics would save Americans bazillions
    of billions of dollars spent every year in government
    financed low income medical treatment. Most of those
    treated had problems which could have been prevented.

    Instead of Durbin and the media being intimidated by the
    surreal success of the Nutritional Supplement industry.
    They should be using the industry to save millions of
    lives and bazillions of dollars.

    Consumer Reports should be condemned for creating any type
    of impression that supplements are dangerous. They took 12
    dangerous supplements which only 1 in 50,000 Americans
    (including the 15/15 club) provide enough consumers to
    market. Yet, not one paragraph or word told of the
    thousands of supplements which thousands of doctors are
    now prescribing to patients.

    Thousands of doctors are going to jail and loosing their
    licenses because they are sick of the barbaric practice of
    issuing drugs with horrific side effects. Instead going to
    alternative therapies which have a greater success with
    less side effects.

    Consumer Reports should do stories on the best supplements
    and profiles on the hero and heroine doctors who are going
    to alternative therapies.

    As for the medical community and it's use of supplements.
    That will be for my next article sometime before April
    9,2004. These articles will be cross posted until the
    equal number of people read the truth that Consumer
    Reports didn't tell.

    Help in posting would be appreciated.

  4. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Steve Bayt said:

    STEVE BAYT (Brook Park/Parma, Ohio)

    This months Consumer Reports does horrible injustice to the
    Nutritional Supplement industry. These postings hopefully,
    will be read by enough people to equal the readership of
    Consumer Reports.

    Fat chance. Not even close. And even if they are, I think by
    now most people have recognized that you are some sort of
    monomaniac on this subject. Either that or you're a paid
    shill. Neither option seems very attractive, and your
    postings are not exactly the epitome of accuracy.

    Quoted message said:

    The government should be establishing programs to encourage
    supplement use, and even require those who can't afford
    health care (Medicare people) to take them.

    "Requiring?" Ha. Like that's going to happen. What are you,
    some sort of health fascist?

    Quoted message said:

    The statistics quoted in Consumer Reports were entirely
    from THE FDA which has been out to get The Supplement
    Industry for decades.

    It's a Konspiracy!

    Quoted message said:

    The fact is that the annual average death rate from
    Supplement use is
    116. There are more than 116 Driving Deaths in an hour in
    America.

    No, there are about five. Moron. (If you were right, there'd
    be over a million vehicle fatalities per year.)

    <remaining drivel deleted>

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
    opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
    have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
    standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  5. "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-April 5, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t [email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    As usual, your rantings are a total waste of space. Get a
    life ... better yet, why don't you go and join up
    alt.chemicals.misc and give mha a holiday.

    Carole austarmetro.com.auconspiracy.htm
    If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the
    problem.

  6. "Carole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-April 5, 2004" <M.a.r.k
    P.r.o.b.e.r.t


    [email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:


    As usual, your rantings are a total waste of space. Get a
    life ... better yet, why don't you go and join up
    alt.chemicals.misc and give mha a holiday.

    Visit www.getaclue.com and see if they canhelp.

  7. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Carole said:

    "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-April 5, 2004" <M.a.r.k
    P.r.o.b.e.r.t [email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    As usual, your rantings are a total waste of space. Get a
    life ... better yet, why don't you go and join up
    alt.chemicals.misc and give mha a holiday.

    Goodness, Carole certainly has *her* knickers in a
    twist lately.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
    opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
    have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
    standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  8. "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    In article
    <[email hidden]>, Carole

    Quoted message said:

    "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-April 5, 2004" <M.a.r.k
    P.r.o.b.e.r.t [email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    As usual, your rantings are a total waste of space. Get a
    life ... better yet, why don't you go and join up
    alt.chemicals.misc and give mha a holiday.

    Goodness, Carole certainly has *her* knickers in a
    twist lately.

    You can read about it here:.

    "Super Wedgie Causes Brain Damage"

  9. [email hidden] (Carole) wrote in
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    Quoted message said:

    "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-April 5, 2004" <M.a.r.k
    P.r.o.b.e.r.t 04-05-04


    @limbarcartel.com> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    As usual, your rantings are a total waste of space. Get a
    life ... better yet, why don't you go and join up
    alt.chemicals.misc and give mha a holiday.

    Carole
    austarmetro.com.auconspiracy.htm If
    you're not part of the solution, you're part of the
    problem.

    The racist bigot has spoken...all hail the racist hubbca!!

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