Conflicting Diets for Ulcers

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So, in summary I would like to know if it is considered okay or not okay to
drink a few non-alcoholic beers, and why is it bad if not okay (i.e. please
be specific as to what the damaging "vehicle" may be, other than burping
once in a while). Thanks for your time in reading this.

Sincerely.Pete

I suffered for years with ulcers and GERD til high dose oral antibiotics for
late Lyme disease cured it.

My bottom line is, if it hurts your stomach, don't eat or drink it. You'll
know which things make it worse by how they make you feel, even with acid
controllers.

That said, ulcers are curable, so don't be planning a life around eating just
for them!

Susan

I have a high regard for Dr. Rosenfeld. In fact, he appears on Fox
News Sunday at around 10:30 AM ET. I would love to have him as my
family physician. His book, "Breakthrough Health" is very
informative.

CO2 dissolved in H2O forms a weak acid, Carbonic acid (H2CO3). I have
found that anything bubbly, whether alcoholic or non-alcoholic, does
give problems to my esophageal sphincter. At least until the bubbles
subside. There may be other reactions, but this is the one most
predominant to me. I generally don't drink alcohol because of the
other detrimental effects - lots of calories!

Here's a quick definition of the acid...

http://www.bartleby.com/65/ca/carbonic.html

GT

"Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Hi everyone,

I am quite well read in most medical matters and am amazed by the

different

Quoted message said:

opinions on ulcer type diets. I have read many inconsistencies in

ulcer

Quoted message said:

diets over the years, including those published by doctors,

nutritionists,

Quoted message said:

etc., so forget asking my gastroenterologist what he thinks (it

would just

Quoted message said:

be his opinion which is probably outdated and based on where and

when he

Quoted message said:

went to medical school and where he did his residency).

There is a book called "Doctor, what should I eat?" (1995 - written

by a

Quoted message said:

renown internist named Isador Rosenfeld). He has written several

other

Quoted message said:

medical books, and has many other doctors helping with the editing,

and he

Quoted message said:

had at least one nutritionist help with the diet book. He has a few

pages

Quoted message said:

on peptic ulcers and basically addresses the Helicobacter pylori

issue and

Quoted message said:

says the old rules about bland diets and small meals/snacks are

passé and

Quoted message said:

its okay to eat/drink just about anything (except milk) and drink

alcohol in

Quoted message said:

moderation (only in between flare-ups). He does indicate that the

bad

Quoted message said:

players for an acute attack are milk, cigarettes, alcohol, and

coffee, and

Quoted message said:

that salt and refined sugars are also detrimental. He also says

that bland

Quoted message said:

diets do not help ulcers at any stage (and may even have a negative

effect),

Quoted message said:

and that spicy foods will neither cause nor aggravate an ulcer. He

mentions

Quoted message said:

that citric acid has no effect on an ulcer one way or another (I

don't agree

Quoted message said:

with that), and recommends bananas, lots of fiber and yogurt (which

has live

Quoted message said:

cultures that can kill H pylori bacteria - but naturally if you have

H

Quoted message said:

pylori you need antibiotics and probably one of the prescription

acid

Quoted message said:

blockers). He caveats everything by saying to avoid any food or

liquid if

Quoted message said:

you know it causes you distress.

Now having said that (basically for background information), I would

like to

Quoted message said:

ask a question about carbonated beverages that do not have caffeine,

or

Quoted message said:

citric acid, or alcohol (or very little alcohol in the case of

non-alcoholic

Quoted message said:

beer). I have read in many places (Dr. Rosenfeld doesn't address

this

Quoted message said:

specifically) that carbonated beverages are bad for ulcer type

diseases, but

Quoted message said:

there is usually not an explanation why, and they don't address the
beverages that are caffeine/citric/alcohol free.

I understand that caffeine and alcohol are supposed to stimulate

acid

Quoted message said:

production and alcohol may also be an irritant. So I would like to

know if

Quoted message said:

current thinking considers it okay to drink a carbonated beverage

with out

Quoted message said:

caffeine, or citric acid, or alcohol (like some kind of sparkling

water, or

Quoted message said:

non-alcoholic beer) if you have an ongoing ulcer, erosion, etc.

I understand that a bubbly type drink may make you burp/belch once

in a

Quoted message said:

while, but I don't consider that very detrimental to your erosion,

or ulcer

Quoted message said:

(unless of course it is a serious flare-up that may require surgery,

etc.).

Quoted message said:

So, in summary I would like to know if it is considered okay or not

okay to

Quoted message said:

drink a few non-alcoholic beers, and why is it bad if not okay (i.e.

please

Quoted message said:

be specific as to what the damaging "vehicle" may be, other than

burping

Quoted message said:

once in a while). Thanks for your time in reading this.

Sincerely.Pete

Ive been to many doctors on heart and ulcer issues etc... Ive
had to cure myself.

The basic info is out there.

as you age digestive enzyme production drops off radically,
the more acid is required to digest the food..that chews up
the stomach lining...H pylori bacteria then eat holes in it

1. Get the H pylori handled with anti biotics.
2. take zantac or what works for you to heal the stomach
lining

later. Watch your symtoms closely. Enzymes over a
wounded stomach may digest yer stomach lining... you have to
be very observant on all this...and give it time.
Raw Vegitable juice is always superb however. get a book on
it

3. Take vegitable derived enymes before and after each meal
(works wonders)
4. Eat gently until this all heals... yogurt is good.
5. After you are all healed, watch closely..take zantac and
anti acid tabs
at first sign of acid. keep on the digestive enzymes
for life

6. drink 16 oz of fresh made raw vegitable juice daily (make
it yourself, buy a book
on the subject), avoid processed foods, especially
breads, frozen and canned.

This protocol will revive the dead. Anyone interested in my
killer heart revitalization tactic may ask and I will post
it...same for the mental rejuvination issues (caused by
amyloid build ups in the nervous system)

Phil Scott

"Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Hi everyone,

I am quite well read in most medical matters and am amazed

by the different

Quoted message said:

opinions on ulcer type diets. I have read many

inconsistencies in ulcer

Quoted message said:

diets over the years, including those published by doctors,

nutritionists,

Quoted message said:

etc., so forget asking my gastroenterologist what he thinks

(it would just

Quoted message said:

be his opinion which is probably outdated and based on where

and when he

Quoted message said:

went to medical school and where he did his residency).

There is a book called "Doctor, what should I eat?" (1995 -

written by a

Quoted message said:

renown internist named Isador Rosenfeld). He has written

several other

Quoted message said:

medical books, and has many other doctors helping with the

editing, and he

Quoted message said:

had at least one nutritionist help with the diet book. He

has a few pages

Quoted message said:

on peptic ulcers and basically addresses the Helicobacter

pylori issue and

Quoted message said:

says the old rules about bland diets and small meals/snacks

are passé and

Quoted message said:

its okay to eat/drink just about anything (except milk) and

drink alcohol in

Quoted message said:

moderation (only in between flare-ups). He does indicate

that the bad

Quoted message said:

players for an acute attack are milk, cigarettes, alcohol,

and coffee, and

Quoted message said:

that salt and refined sugars are also detrimental. He also

says that bland

Quoted message said:

diets do not help ulcers at any stage (and may even have a

negative effect),

Quoted message said:

and that spicy foods will neither cause nor aggravate an

ulcer. He mentions

Quoted message said:

that citric acid has no effect on an ulcer one way or

another (I don't agree

Quoted message said:

with that), and recommends bananas, lots of fiber and yogurt

(which has live

Quoted message said:

cultures that can kill H pylori bacteria - but naturally if

you have H

Quoted message said:

pylori you need antibiotics and probably one of the

prescription acid

Quoted message said:

blockers). He caveats everything by saying to avoid any

food or liquid if

Quoted message said:

you know it causes you distress.

Now having said that (basically for background information),

I would like to

Quoted message said:

ask a question about carbonated beverages that do not have

caffeine, or

Quoted message said:

citric acid, or alcohol (or very little alcohol in the case

of non-alcoholic

Quoted message said:

beer). I have read in many places (Dr. Rosenfeld doesn't

address this

Quoted message said:

specifically) that carbonated beverages are bad for ulcer

type diseases, but

Quoted message said:

there is usually not an explanation why, and they don't

address the

Quoted message said:

beverages that are caffeine/citric/alcohol free.

I understand that caffeine and alcohol are supposed to

stimulate acid

Quoted message said:

production and alcohol may also be an irritant. So I would

like to know if

Quoted message said:

current thinking considers it okay to drink a carbonated

beverage with out

Quoted message said:

caffeine, or citric acid, or alcohol (like some kind of

sparkling water, or

Quoted message said:

non-alcoholic beer) if you have an ongoing ulcer, erosion,

etc.

Quoted message said:

I understand that a bubbly type drink may make you

burp/belch once in a

Quoted message said:

while, but I don't consider that very detrimental to your

erosion, or ulcer

Quoted message said:

(unless of course it is a serious flare-up that may require

surgery, etc.).

Quoted message said:

So, in summary I would like to know if it is considered okay

or not okay to

Quoted message said:

drink a few non-alcoholic beers, and why is it bad if not

okay (i.e. please

Quoted message said:

be specific as to what the damaging "vehicle" may be, other

than burping

Quoted message said:

once in a while). Thanks for your time in reading this.

Sincerely.Pete

I'm interested in your "killer heart revitalization tactic", and
"mental rejuvenation tactics".

Thanks,
GT

"Phil Scott" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Ive been to many doctors on heart and ulcer issues etc... Ive
had to cure myself.

The basic info is out there.

as you age digestive enzyme production drops off radically,
the more acid is required to digest the food..that chews up
the stomach lining...H pylori bacteria then eat holes in it

1. Get the H pylori handled with anti biotics.
2. take zantac or what works for you to heal the stomach
lining

later. Watch your symtoms closely. Enzymes over a
wounded stomach may digest yer stomach lining... you have to
be very observant on all this...and give it time.
Raw Vegitable juice is always superb however. get a book on
it

3. Take vegitable derived enymes before and after each meal
(works wonders)
4. Eat gently until this all heals... yogurt is good.
5. After you are all healed, watch closely..take zantac and
anti acid tabs
at first sign of acid. keep on the digestive enzymes
for life

6. drink 16 oz of fresh made raw vegitable juice daily (make
it yourself, buy a book
on the subject), avoid processed foods, especially
breads, frozen and canned.

This protocol will revive the dead. Anyone interested in my
killer heart revitalization tactic may ask and I will post
it...same for the mental rejuvination issues (caused by
amyloid build ups in the nervous system)

Phil Scott

"Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Hi everyone,

I am quite well read in most medical matters and am amazed

by the different

Quoted message said:

opinions on ulcer type diets. I have read many

inconsistencies in ulcer

Quoted message said:

diets over the years, including those published by doctors,

nutritionists,

Quoted message said:

etc., so forget asking my gastroenterologist what he thinks

(it would just

Quoted message said:

be his opinion which is probably outdated and based on where

and when he

Quoted message said:

went to medical school and where he did his residency).

There is a book called "Doctor, what should I eat?" (1995 -

written by a

Quoted message said:

renown internist named Isador Rosenfeld). He has written

several other

Quoted message said:

medical books, and has many other doctors helping with the

editing, and he

Quoted message said:

had at least one nutritionist help with the diet book. He

has a few pages

Quoted message said:

on peptic ulcers and basically addresses the Helicobacter

pylori issue and

Quoted message said:

says the old rules about bland diets and small meals/snacks

are passé and

Quoted message said:

its okay to eat/drink just about anything (except milk) and

drink alcohol in

Quoted message said:

moderation (only in between flare-ups). He does indicate

that the bad

Quoted message said:

players for an acute attack are milk, cigarettes, alcohol,

and coffee, and

Quoted message said:

that salt and refined sugars are also detrimental. He also

says that bland

Quoted message said:

diets do not help ulcers at any stage (and may even have a

negative effect),

Quoted message said:

and that spicy foods will neither cause nor aggravate an

ulcer. He mentions

Quoted message said:

that citric acid has no effect on an ulcer one way or

another (I don't agree

Quoted message said:

with that), and recommends bananas, lots of fiber and yogurt

(which has live

Quoted message said:

cultures that can kill H pylori bacteria - but naturally if

you have H

Quoted message said:

pylori you need antibiotics and probably one of the

prescription acid

Quoted message said:

blockers). He caveats everything by saying to avoid any

food or liquid if

Quoted message said:

you know it causes you distress.

Now having said that (basically for background information),

I would like to

Quoted message said:

ask a question about carbonated beverages that do not have

caffeine, or

Quoted message said:

citric acid, or alcohol (or very little alcohol in the case

of non-alcoholic

Quoted message said:

beer). I have read in many places (Dr. Rosenfeld doesn't

address this

Quoted message said:

specifically) that carbonated beverages are bad for ulcer

type diseases, but

Quoted message said:

there is usually not an explanation why, and they don't

address the

Quoted message said:

beverages that are caffeine/citric/alcohol free.

I understand that caffeine and alcohol are supposed to

stimulate acid

Quoted message said:

production and alcohol may also be an irritant. So I would

like to know if

Quoted message said:

current thinking considers it okay to drink a carbonated

beverage with out

Quoted message said:

caffeine, or citric acid, or alcohol (like some kind of

sparkling water, or

Quoted message said:

non-alcoholic beer) if you have an ongoing ulcer, erosion,

etc.

Quoted message said:

I understand that a bubbly type drink may make you

burp/belch once in a

Quoted message said:

while, but I don't consider that very detrimental to your

erosion, or ulcer

Quoted message said:

(unless of course it is a serious flare-up that may require

surgery, etc.).

Quoted message said:

So, in summary I would like to know if it is considered okay

or not okay to

Quoted message said:

drink a few non-alcoholic beers, and why is it bad if not

okay (i.e. please

Quoted message said:

be specific as to what the damaging "vehicle" may be, other

than burping

Quoted message said:

once in a while). Thanks for your time in reading this.

Sincerely.Pete

"Phil Scott" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Phil

Consider also that statins can cause ulcers.

From the lipitor side effects list
http://www.lipitor.com/pi/default.asp

Digestive System: Nausea, gastroenteritis, liver function tests
abnormal, colitis, vomiting, gastritis, dry mouth, rectal hemorrhage,
esophagitis, eructation, glossitis, mouth ulceration, anorexia,
increased appetite, stomatitis, biliary pain, cheilitis, duodenal
ulcer, dysphagia, enteritis, melena, gum hemorrhage, stomach ulcer,
tenesmus, ulcerative stomatitis, hepatitis, pancreatitis, cholestatic
jaundice.

Zee

Quoted message said:

Ive been to many doctors on heart and ulcer issues etc... Ive
had to cure myself.

The basic info is out there.

as you age digestive enzyme production drops off radically,
the more acid is required to digest the food..that chews up
the stomach lining...H pylori bacteria then eat holes in it

1. Get the H pylori handled with anti biotics.
2. take zantac or what works for you to heal the stomach
lining

later. Watch your symtoms closely. Enzymes over a
wounded stomach may digest yer stomach lining... you have to
be very observant on all this...and give it time.
Raw Vegitable juice is always superb however. get a book on
it

3. Take vegitable derived enymes before and after each meal
(works wonders)
4. Eat gently until this all heals... yogurt is good.
5. After you are all healed, watch closely..take zantac and
anti acid tabs
at first sign of acid. keep on the digestive enzymes
for life

6. drink 16 oz of fresh made raw vegitable juice daily (make
it yourself, buy a book
on the subject), avoid processed foods, especially
breads, frozen and canned.

This protocol will revive the dead. Anyone interested in my
killer heart revitalization tactic may ask and I will post
it...same for the mental rejuvination issues (caused by
amyloid build ups in the nervous system)

Phil Scott

"Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Hi everyone,

I am quite well read in most medical matters and am amazed

by the different

Quoted message said:

opinions on ulcer type diets. I have read many

inconsistencies in ulcer

Quoted message said:

diets over the years, including those published by doctors,

nutritionists,

Quoted message said:

etc., so forget asking my gastroenterologist what he thinks

(it would just

Quoted message said:

be his opinion which is probably outdated and based on where

and when he

Quoted message said:

went to medical school and where he did his residency).

There is a book called "Doctor, what should I eat?" (1995 -

written by a

Quoted message said:

renown internist named Isador Rosenfeld). He has written

several other

Quoted message said:

medical books, and has many other doctors helping with the

editing, and he

Quoted message said:

had at least one nutritionist help with the diet book. He

has a few pages

Quoted message said:

on peptic ulcers and basically addresses the Helicobacter

pylori issue and

Quoted message said:

says the old rules about bland diets and small meals/snacks

are passé and

Quoted message said:

its okay to eat/drink just about anything (except milk) and

drink alcohol in

Quoted message said:

moderation (only in between flare-ups). He does indicate

that the bad

Quoted message said:

players for an acute attack are milk, cigarettes, alcohol,

and coffee, and

Quoted message said:

that salt and refined sugars are also detrimental. He also

says that bland

Quoted message said:

diets do not help ulcers at any stage (and may even have a

negative effect),

Quoted message said:

and that spicy foods will neither cause nor aggravate an

ulcer. He mentions

Quoted message said:

that citric acid has no effect on an ulcer one way or

another (I don't agree

Quoted message said:

with that), and recommends bananas, lots of fiber and yogurt

(which has live

Quoted message said:

cultures that can kill H pylori bacteria - but naturally if

you have H

Quoted message said:

pylori you need antibiotics and probably one of the

prescription acid

Quoted message said:

blockers). He caveats everything by saying to avoid any

food or liquid if

Quoted message said:

you know it causes you distress.

Now having said that (basically for background information),

I would like to

Quoted message said:

ask a question about carbonated beverages that do not have

caffeine, or

Quoted message said:

citric acid, or alcohol (or very little alcohol in the case

of non-alcoholic

Quoted message said:

beer). I have read in many places (Dr. Rosenfeld doesn't

address this

Quoted message said:

specifically) that carbonated beverages are bad for ulcer

type diseases, but

Quoted message said:

there is usually not an explanation why, and they don't

address the

Quoted message said:

beverages that are caffeine/citric/alcohol free.

I understand that caffeine and alcohol are supposed to

stimulate acid

Quoted message said:

production and alcohol may also be an irritant. So I would

like to know if

Quoted message said:

current thinking considers it okay to drink a carbonated

beverage with out

Quoted message said:

caffeine, or citric acid, or alcohol (like some kind of

sparkling water, or

Quoted message said:

non-alcoholic beer) if you have an ongoing ulcer, erosion,

etc.

Quoted message said:

I understand that a bubbly type drink may make you

burp/belch once in a

Quoted message said:

while, but I don't consider that very detrimental to your

erosion, or ulcer

Quoted message said:

(unless of course it is a serious flare-up that may require

surgery, etc.).

Quoted message said:

So, in summary I would like to know if it is considered okay

or not okay to

Quoted message said:

drink a few non-alcoholic beers, and why is it bad if not

okay (i.e. please

Quoted message said:

be specific as to what the damaging "vehicle" may be, other

than burping

Quoted message said:

once in a while). Thanks for your time in reading this.

Sincerely.Pete

"GT" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I'm interested in your "killer heart revitalization tactic",

and

Quoted message said:

"mental rejuvenation tactics".

For the heart search chelation therapy... its required in
Germany before heart surgery.. it works about 90% of the
time...frowoned on by the AMA and US drug companies as it
costs them hundreds of billions in business if were to become
common in the US... you must be bright enough to do your own
research and get past the trash jobs... Stanford University
released its findiings in approx 1992 saying it worked very
very well... I can attest to that..about 75 treatments over 20
years at 100 dollars each, an IV drip...takes 3 hours...edta
acid, it disolves the calcium from plaques that form in the
ateries.

Its works well, for me about an 80% improvement from near bed
ridden and killer chest pains to working 5 hours a day easily
with no pain...but it was not a perfect solution.

I then added Heart Technology product from
www.herbaladvantage.com talk to steve. That provided no
effect I could notice in how I felt but I soon found myself
doing 8 hour days in circumstances that would have produced a
trace of chest pains previously. Read about it at the web
site..its from Dr. washis name.. the vitamin C advocate.

Concurrent with this over the last 7 years I had accidentally
discovered amyloidosis... that is now being recognised as not
uncommon but almost 100 percent common as you age past 90...
I know a lot about this, more than most researchers. I think
its over 50% common at age 60... amyloids are sticky
substances that clogg up the nervous system and organs. My
long blow by blow account can be found in a series of 50
articles found thusly:

www.google.com click on the 'groups' tab

a blue hyperlink will appear on the right.. 'advanced group
search'

Click on that.

The fill out ONLY two boxes in that selection:

Author = phil scott
subject = any single one of the following words, not in
combination...
'amyloid, amyloids, neuron, ganglia, microglia, basal,
immune, reaction,'

read these in date order.

I am currently aged 63, and racing motorcyles again on the
dirt ovals (600 cc's)..I can work 10 hour days without getting
sore. My extended comments and links and research is in
these articles.

I dont argue these points or defend my experience, there close
to 200,000 doctors with no clue in these areas, and a trillion
dollar pharmaceutical industry that hates these notions with a
passion and sets hords of morons loose on the web to try to
obliterate interest in these options with false charges etc.

I dont sell any products... you can get chelated at many
different places, same with the other stuff. and I do not
recommend anyone follow the de-amyloid protocol I used, it was
nearly fatal for me, and Stanfords test on a similar approach
killed a batch of the trial subjects... but soon there will
be a viable protocol from the pharmaceutical companies that
will work and that they will make money on... human kind is
lucky these days.

I posted only my own observations, mix of resullts and
research links.

Phil Scott

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Thanks,
GT

"Phil Scott" <[email hidden]> wrote in

message

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news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Ive been to many doctors on heart and ulcer issues etc...

Ive

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

had to cure myself.

The basic info is out there.

as you age digestive enzyme production drops off

radically,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the more acid is required to digest the food..that chews

up

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the stomach lining...H pylori bacteria then eat holes in

it

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

1. Get the H pylori handled with anti biotics.
2. take zantac or what works for you to heal the stomach
lining

later. Watch your symtoms closely. Enzymes over a
wounded stomach may digest yer stomach lining... you have

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

be very observant on all this...and give it time.
Raw Vegitable juice is always superb however. get a book

on

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

it

3. Take vegitable derived enymes before and after each

meal

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

(works wonders)
4. Eat gently until this all heals... yogurt is good.
5. After you are all healed, watch closely..take zantac

and

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

anti acid tabs
at first sign of acid. keep on the digestive

enzymes

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

for life

6. drink 16 oz of fresh made raw vegitable juice daily

(make

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

it yourself, buy a book
on the subject), avoid processed foods, especially
breads, frozen and canned.

This protocol will revive the dead. Anyone interested in

my

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

killer heart revitalization tactic may ask and I will post
it...same for the mental rejuvination issues (caused by
amyloid build ups in the nervous system)

Phil Scott

"Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Hi everyone,

I am quite well read in most medical matters and am

amazed

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

by the different

Quoted message said:

opinions on ulcer type diets. I have read many

inconsistencies in ulcer

Quoted message said:

diets over the years, including those published by

doctors,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

nutritionists,

Quoted message said:

etc., so forget asking my gastroenterologist what he

thinks

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

(it would just

Quoted message said:

be his opinion which is probably outdated and based on

where

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

and when he

Quoted message said:

went to medical school and where he did his residency).

There is a book called "Doctor, what should I eat?"

(1995 -

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

written by a

Quoted message said:

renown internist named Isador Rosenfeld). He has

written

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

several other

Quoted message said:

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editing, and he

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had at least one nutritionist help with the diet book.

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on peptic ulcers and basically addresses the

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pylori issue and

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says the old rules about bland diets and small

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are passé and

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its okay to eat/drink just about anything (except milk)

and

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drink alcohol in

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moderation (only in between flare-ups). He does

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that the bad

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and coffee, and

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says that bland

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(which has live

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caffeine, or

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citric acid, or alcohol (or very little alcohol in the

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doesn't

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address this

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specifically) that carbonated beverages are bad for

ulcer

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type diseases, but

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there is usually not an explanation why, and they don't

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beverages that are caffeine/citric/alcohol free.

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like to know if

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current thinking considers it okay to drink a carbonated

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caffeine, or citric acid, or alcohol (like some kind of

sparkling water, or

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non-alcoholic beer) if you have an ongoing ulcer,

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etc.

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erosion, or ulcer

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or not okay to

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not

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okay (i.e. please

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be specific as to what the damaging "vehicle" may be,

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than burping

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once in a while). Thanks for your time in reading this.

Sincerely.Pete

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"Phil Scott" <[email hidden]> wrote in

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Phil

Consider also that statins can cause ulcers.

amazin those folks .... hu Zee? You should repost your
'[censored] parade' article twice a year or so, it will fade
from public awarness unless you do

Phil Scott

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From the lipitor side effects list
http://www.lipitor.com/pi/default.asp

Digestive System: Nausea, gastroenteritis, liver function

tests

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abnormal, colitis, vomiting, gastritis, dry mouth, rectal

hemorrhage,

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esophagitis, eructation, glossitis, mouth ulceration,

anorexia,

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increased appetite, stomatitis, biliary pain, cheilitis,

duodenal

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ulcer, dysphagia, enteritis, melena, gum hemorrhage, stomach

ulcer,

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tenesmus, ulcerative stomatitis, hepatitis, pancreatitis,

cholestatic

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jaundice.

Zee

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Ive been to many doctors on heart and ulcer issues etc...

Ive

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had to cure myself.

The basic info is out there.

as you age digestive enzyme production drops off

radically,

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the more acid is required to digest the food..that chews

up

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the stomach lining...H pylori bacteria then eat holes in

it

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1. Get the H pylori handled with anti biotics.
2. take zantac or what works for you to heal the stomach
lining

later. Watch your symtoms closely. Enzymes over a
wounded stomach may digest yer stomach lining... you have

to

Quoted message said:

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be very observant on all this...and give it time.
Raw Vegitable juice is always superb however. get a book

on

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it

3. Take vegitable derived enymes before and after each

meal

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(works wonders)
4. Eat gently until this all heals... yogurt is good.
5. After you are all healed, watch closely..take zantac

and

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anti acid tabs
at first sign of acid. keep on the digestive

enzymes

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for life

6. drink 16 oz of fresh made raw vegitable juice daily

(make

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it yourself, buy a book
on the subject), avoid processed foods, especially
breads, frozen and canned.

This protocol will revive the dead. Anyone interested in

my

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killer heart revitalization tactic may ask and I will post
it...same for the mental rejuvination issues (caused by
amyloid build ups in the nervous system)

Phil Scott

"Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

news:[email hidden]...

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Hi everyone,

I am quite well read in most medical matters and am

amazed

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by the different

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opinions on ulcer type diets. I have read many

inconsistencies in ulcer

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diets over the years, including those published by

doctors,

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nutritionists,

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etc., so forget asking my gastroenterologist what he

thinks

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(it would just

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be his opinion which is probably outdated and based on

where

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and when he

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went to medical school and where he did his residency).

There is a book called "Doctor, what should I eat?"

(1995 -

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written by a

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renown internist named Isador Rosenfeld). He has

written

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several other

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medical books, and has many other doctors helping with

the

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editing, and he

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had at least one nutritionist help with the diet book.

He

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has a few pages

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on peptic ulcers and basically addresses the

Helicobacter

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pylori issue and

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says the old rules about bland diets and small

meals/snacks

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are passé and

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its okay to eat/drink just about anything (except milk)

and

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drink alcohol in

Quoted message said:

moderation (only in between flare-ups). He does

indicate

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that the bad

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players for an acute attack are milk, cigarettes,

alcohol,

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and coffee, and

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that salt and refined sugars are also detrimental. He

also

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says that bland

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diets do not help ulcers at any stage (and may even have

a

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negative effect),

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and that spicy foods will neither cause nor aggravate an

ulcer. He mentions

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that citric acid has no effect on an ulcer one way or

another (I don't agree

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with that), and recommends bananas, lots of fiber and

yogurt

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(which has live

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cultures that can kill H pylori bacteria - but naturally

if

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you have H

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pylori you need antibiotics and probably one of the

prescription acid

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blockers). He caveats everything by saying to avoid any

food or liquid if

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you know it causes you distress.

Now having said that (basically for background

information),

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I would like to

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ask a question about carbonated beverages that do not

have

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caffeine, or

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citric acid, or alcohol (or very little alcohol in the

case

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Quoted message said:

of non-alcoholic

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beer). I have read in many places (Dr. Rosenfeld

doesn't

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address this

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specifically) that carbonated beverages are bad for

ulcer

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

type diseases, but

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there is usually not an explanation why, and they don't

address the

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beverages that are caffeine/citric/alcohol free.

I understand that caffeine and alcohol are supposed to

stimulate acid

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production and alcohol may also be an irritant. So I

would

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Quoted message said:

like to know if

Quoted message said:

current thinking considers it okay to drink a carbonated

beverage with out

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caffeine, or citric acid, or alcohol (like some kind of

sparkling water, or

Quoted message said:

non-alcoholic beer) if you have an ongoing ulcer,

erosion,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

etc.

Quoted message said:

I understand that a bubbly type drink may make you

burp/belch once in a

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while, but I don't consider that very detrimental to

your

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Quoted message said:

erosion, or ulcer

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(unless of course it is a serious flare-up that may

require

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surgery, etc.).

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So, in summary I would like to know if it is considered

okay

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or not okay to

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drink a few non-alcoholic beers, and why is it bad if

not

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okay (i.e. please

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be specific as to what the damaging "vehicle" may be,

other

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than burping

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once in a while). Thanks for your time in reading this.

Sincerely.Pete

"Phil Scott" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"fresh~horses" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Phil Scott" <[email hidden]> wrote in

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Phil

Consider also that statins can cause ulcers.

amazin those folks .... hu Zee? You should repost your
'[censored] parade' article twice a year or so, it will fade
from public awarness unless you do

Phil Scott

Phil and Zee, all those reactions were supposed to be kept secret. Nobody
should know about those things. You really have a good investigative
reporter. If the public were to know then nobody would take them. I wonder
if the doctors really know that they cause all those side effects.
Wait a minute, that webpage is from the manufacturer Pfizer on Lipitor. They
can not be trusted and don't believe anything they say. Please include that
in your [censored] parade. What kind of [censored] is that when they tell you
not to take it if you liver problems or a women who is pregnant and even go
as far to say that it does not prevent heart disease or heart attacks. What
a bunch of [censored] as we all know it does.

Quoted message said:

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From the lipitor side effects list
http://www.lipitor.com/pi/default.asp

Digestive System: Nausea, gastroenteritis, liver function

tests

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abnormal, colitis, vomiting, gastritis, dry mouth, rectal

hemorrhage,

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esophagitis, eructation, glossitis, mouth ulceration,

anorexia,

Quoted message said:

increased appetite, stomatitis, biliary pain, cheilitis,

duodenal

Quoted message said:

ulcer, dysphagia, enteritis, melena, gum hemorrhage, stomach

ulcer,

Quoted message said:

tenesmus, ulcerative stomatitis, hepatitis, pancreatitis,

cholestatic

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jaundice.

Zee

Quoted message said:

Ive been to many doctors on heart and ulcer issues etc...

Ive

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

had to cure myself.

The basic info is out there.

as you age digestive enzyme production drops off

radically,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the more acid is required to digest the food..that chews

up

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the stomach lining...H pylori bacteria then eat holes in

it

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

1. Get the H pylori handled with anti biotics.
2. take zantac or what works for you to heal the stomach
lining

later. Watch your symtoms closely. Enzymes over a
wounded stomach may digest yer stomach lining... you have

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

be very observant on all this...and give it time.
Raw Vegitable juice is always superb however. get a book

on

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

it

3. Take vegitable derived enymes before and after each

meal

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

(works wonders)
4. Eat gently until this all heals... yogurt is good.
5. After you are all healed, watch closely..take zantac

and

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

anti acid tabs
at first sign of acid. keep on the digestive

enzymes

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

for life

6. drink 16 oz of fresh made raw vegitable juice daily

(make

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

it yourself, buy a book
on the subject), avoid processed foods, especially
breads, frozen and canned.

This protocol will revive the dead. Anyone interested in

my

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

killer heart revitalization tactic may ask and I will post
it...same for the mental rejuvination issues (caused by
amyloid build ups in the nervous system)

Phil Scott

"Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I am quite well read in most medical matters and am

amazed

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

by the different
> opinions on ulcer type diets. I have read many
inconsistencies in ulcer
> diets over the years, including those published by

doctors,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

nutritionists,
> etc., so forget asking my gastroenterologist what he

thinks

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

(it would just
> be his opinion which is probably outdated and based on

where

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

and when he
> went to medical school and where he did his residency).
>
> There is a book called "Doctor, what should I eat?"

(1995 -

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

written by a
> renown internist named Isador Rosenfeld). He has

written

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

several other
> medical books, and has many other doctors helping with

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

editing, and he
> had at least one nutritionist help with the diet book.

He

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

has a few pages
> on peptic ulcers and basically addresses the

Helicobacter

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

pylori issue and
> says the old rules about bland diets and small

meals/snacks

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

are passé and
> its okay to eat/drink just about anything (except milk)

and

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

drink alcohol in
> moderation (only in between flare-ups). He does

indicate

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

that the bad
> players for an acute attack are milk, cigarettes,

alcohol,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

and coffee, and
> that salt and refined sugars are also detrimental. He

also

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

says that bland
> diets do not help ulcers at any stage (and may even have

a

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

negative effect),
> and that spicy foods will neither cause nor aggravate an
ulcer. He mentions
> that citric acid has no effect on an ulcer one way or
another (I don't agree
> with that), and recommends bananas, lots of fiber and

yogurt

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

(which has live
> cultures that can kill H pylori bacteria - but naturally

if

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

you have H
> pylori you need antibiotics and probably one of the
prescription acid
> blockers). He caveats everything by saying to avoid any
food or liquid if
> you know it causes you distress.
>
> Now having said that (basically for background

information),

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I would like to
> ask a question about carbonated beverages that do not

have

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

caffeine, or
> citric acid, or alcohol (or very little alcohol in the

case

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

of non-alcoholic
> beer). I have read in many places (Dr. Rosenfeld

doesn't

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

address this
> specifically) that carbonated beverages are bad for

ulcer

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

type diseases, but
> there is usually not an explanation why, and they don't
address the
> beverages that are caffeine/citric/alcohol free.
>
> I understand that caffeine and alcohol are supposed to
stimulate acid
> production and alcohol may also be an irritant. So I

would

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

like to know if
> current thinking considers it okay to drink a carbonated
beverage with out
> caffeine, or citric acid, or alcohol (like some kind of
sparkling water, or
> non-alcoholic beer) if you have an ongoing ulcer,

erosion,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

etc.
>
> I understand that a bubbly type drink may make you
burp/belch once in a
> while, but I don't consider that very detrimental to

your

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

erosion, or ulcer
> (unless of course it is a serious flare-up that may

require

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

surgery, etc.).
>
> So, in summary I would like to know if it is considered

okay

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

or not okay to
> drink a few non-alcoholic beers, and why is it bad if

not

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Quoted message said:

okay (i.e. please
> be specific as to what the damaging "vehicle" may be,

other

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Quoted message said:

than burping
> once in a while). Thanks for your time in reading this.
>
> Sincerely.Pete
>
>

On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 00:49:58 GMT, "Pete" <[email hidden]>
wrote:

I think that one of the reasons that there is such conflicting
information is that we are all different biologically - hence
different foods may be beneficial for one person and detrimental to
another.

The key is to determine which foods are healthy for me (or in this
case you). The key I identified is blood type. Blood type is actually
immune system type, and its genetic code also influences digestive
chemistry. Most of the IgA immune system is located in the GI tract.

It is a somewhat well established fact that persons with blood group O
are more suseptible to H.pylori.

So, the bottom line as to whether non-alchoholic beer is OK for you
would depend on your blood type. Of course, there are many other foods
that you may wish to consider eating or avoiding based on your blood
type to help the ulcers heal. The damage caused by non-compatible
foods ranges from ulceration to damage of the cilia and micro-cilia
(Crohn's and Celiac Disease), diahrehea, all forms of upset-stomach,
GERD, etc.

best wishes,

Steve Shapiro
Eugene, OR

resources: www.dadamo.com, "Eat Right for Your Type" book series by
Peter D'Adamo

Quoted message said:

Hi everyone,

I am quite well read in most medical matters and am amazed by the different
opinions on ulcer type diets. I have read many inconsistencies in ulcer
diets over the years, including those published by doctors, nutritionists,
etc., so forget asking my gastroenterologist what he thinks (it would just
be his opinion which is probably outdated and based on where and when he
went to medical school and where he did his residency).

snip

Quoted message said:

So, in summary I would like to know if it is considered okay or not okay to
drink a few non-alcoholic beers, and why is it bad if not okay (i.e. please
be specific as to what the damaging "vehicle" may be, other than burping
once in a while). Thanks for your time in reading this.

Sincerely.Pete