cone bearing adjustment - weird 'problem?'

wle said:

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i noticed on both of them lately that if you

really wrench the back wheel, you can get it to kind of move about 1-2mm.

Could it be the axles moving in the dropouts?

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Could it be the axles moving in the dropouts?

Yep, could be grooves or some other problem with the dropout. Could be the axle is protruding too
far through the dropout and the QR is clamping the actual axle rather than the dropout. Could also
be your bearing races have separated from the hub. They're pressed in and can break loose. You'd
need to disassemble and carefully check for this.

Cheers,

Scott..

(wle) may have said:

it will 'stick' in the position you leave it in til you do that again.

This is a Clue, in my opinion.

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and - you can;t tighten the cones enough to get it out, the bearings will stick before that.

so what does this mean?

Check the adjustment of the skewers. I think you need a teensy bit more clamping force in there. If
you're not using Shimano skewers, you might want to get some.

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wle said:

one bike i have has sora hubs. about 6000 miles. the other has shimano
600/ultegra. about 3-4000 miles. i noticed on both of them lately that if you
really wrench the back wheel, you can get it to kind of move about 1-2mm. what
you have to do is grab the seat stay with one hand, and the wheel with the
other, and either push or pull hard, i would estimate at least 25-30 lbs force.
this is the same type of play as the kind you have when the bearing cones are
too loose - except it takes a LOT more force to produce it.

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Is the axle moving in the frame ends from a not-quite-locked skewer?

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Is the axle moving in the frame ends from a not-quite-
locked skewer?

that is a good question, it does feel more like that than a
bearing play issue.

the thing is, i have been REALLY tightening the qr skewers,
in an attempt to get rid of this.

possibly the ends of the axle are moving anyway, but it;s
hard to see how.

if that is the reason, would that be because they are too
long, or too short?

the sora bike is entirely stock, as it came from fuji.
so i would expect it not to have any weird problems.

the gt bike, with the shimano 600 hubs, i am actually using
a washer under the non-lever side of the skewer nut, so the
nut can;t get partly into the dropout. possibly this has the
effect of making that axle 'too short'.

i don;t think it;s the bearing races coming unpressed,
though that is another thing to check.

wle.

If you have a 10mm allen wrench check to see if the bolt
that joins the freehub to the hub is loose.

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If you have a 10mm allen wrench check to see if the bolt
that joins the freehub to the hub is loose.

i think that was it.

it didn;t seem loose, in either case, but i tightened it
more anyway.

of course to get to that you have to take the cassette and
put it back, as well as re-do the cone adjustments, so that
may have been a factor too.

thanks!

wle.