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  1. "kilikini" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    I have always wondered, what in the heck *is* Yorkshire Pudding???????

    It is food the angels gave us when all we had in the cupboard was some
    flour, eggs, milk and salt. Light, golden and crispy... it is heaven with
    gravy🙂

    My recipe is not quite the same as the one found on the net but who cares so
    long as it works🙂

  2. "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    In England, as a kid due to food shortage, we were given the choice of


    having our slice of 'Yorkie' on our dinner plate or served as our
    'sweet' with jam on it. Of course we always choose our Yorkie as a
    'sweet' else we didn't get any dessert!

    LOL true. Are you English then?

    Quoted message said:


    Looks like a glorified "cowboy pan buscuit" to me. ;-)
    Something that could be cooked up on a campfire and cast iron skillet.

    No you need an oven to cook it. It rises until it is very light and puffy
    and crisp

    O

  3. "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Ophelia said:

    "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Looks interesting. :-)

    Oh do try it Om! It is delicious... unless you overcook the sausages of
    course🙂

    Hee!

    I'm wondering what it'd be like with that sausage I get from Sun Harvest.
    It's a roasted garlic basil chicken sausage that is to _die_ for! Every
    time I buy it, when I get home, the whole back of the camper smells
    delightfully of garlic. :-)

    Any type of sausage works🙂

  4. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Ophelia said:

    "kilikini" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I have always wondered, what in the heck *is* Yorkshire Pudding???????

    It is food the angels gave us when all we had in the cupboard was some
    flour, eggs, milk and salt. Light, golden and crispy... it is heaven with
    gravy🙂

    My recipe is not quite the same as the one found on the net but who cares so
    long as it works🙂

    So how do you make it??? :-)

    Inquiring minds want to know.....
    --
    Om.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

  5. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Ophelia said:

    "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    In England, as a kid due to food shortage, we were given the choice of


    having our slice of 'Yorkie' on our dinner plate or served as our
    'sweet' with jam on it. Of course we always choose our Yorkie as a
    'sweet' else we didn't get any dessert!

    LOL true. Are you English then?

    No, that was a contnued quote from the recipe I got of the 'net, sorry!
    I should have put dividing lines between theirs and mine. :-)

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:


    Looks like a glorified "cowboy pan buscuit" to me. ;-)
    Something that could be cooked up on a campfire and cast iron skillet.

    No you need an oven to cook it. It rises until it is very light and puffy
    and crisp

    O

    Ah, but a dutch oven over a campfire should work as long as you have the
    one with a coal lid.

    Quoted message said:



    --
    Om.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

  6. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Ophelia said:

    "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Ophelia said:

    "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    >
    > Looks interesting. :-)

    Oh do try it Om! It is delicious... unless you overcook the sausages of
    course🙂

    Hee!

    I'm wondering what it'd be like with that sausage I get from Sun Harvest.
    It's a roasted garlic basil chicken sausage that is to _die_ for! Every
    time I buy it, when I get home, the whole back of the camper smells
    delightfully of garlic. :-)

    Any type of sausage works🙂

    I'm wondering how it'd be with italian sausage, and just a little tomato
    sauce.....

    Sacralige probably, but I'm always looking at "new" ways to serve
    traditional stuff just to make life more interesting!
    --
    Om.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

  7. "Ophelia" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    In England, as a kid due to food shortage, we were given the choice of


    having our slice of 'Yorkie' on our dinner plate or served as our
    'sweet' with jam on it. Of course we always choose our Yorkie as a
    'sweet' else we didn't get any dessert!

    LOL true. Are you English then?

    Quoted message said:


    Looks like a glorified "cowboy pan buscuit" to me. ;-)
    Something that could be cooked up on a campfire and cast iron skillet.

    No you need an oven to cook it. It rises until it is very light and puffy
    and crisp

    O

    Why is it called pudding then?

    kili

  8. "Andy" <q> wrote in message
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    Without butter and jams what's the point of toast!?? 🙂

    Andy

    Speaking of "points of toast," I have to laugh about "points of toast." A
    woman who works in a doctor's office and I always discuss food when I am in
    the waiting chair. Over the years, invariably, tho different, a receipe she
    talks enthusiastically about always includes "points of toast." I perk my
    head to one side like a little doggie listening and a little bewildered. If
    I've got it right, they are cut up pieces of toast to a point, and I've
    never quite understood the attraction to 'points of toast.' Is it a
    'Gourmet magzine' type of thing? Does anyone DO 'points of toast." Phew! I
    got that off my chest.
    Dee Dee

  9. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Dee Randall said:

    "Andy" <q> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Without butter and jams what's the point of toast!?? 🙂

    Andy

    Speaking of "points of toast," I have to laugh about "points of toast." A
    woman who works in a doctor's office and I always discuss food when I am in
    the waiting chair. Over the years, invariably, tho different, a receipe she
    talks enthusiastically about always includes "points of toast." I perk my
    head to one side like a little doggie listening and a little bewildered. If
    I've got it right, they are cut up pieces of toast to a point, and I've
    never quite understood the attraction to 'points of toast.' Is it a
    'Gourmet magzine' type of thing? Does anyone DO 'points of toast." Phew! I
    got that off my chest.
    Dee Dee

    Toast points are standard for serving caviar.

    It's a less messy way to eat stuff as you don't have to bite "into" it.
    --
    Om.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

  10. In article <[email hidden]>,

    kilikini said:

    "Ophelia" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    > In England, as a kid due to food shortage, we were given the choice of
    having our slice of 'Yorkie' on our dinner plate or served as our
    'sweet' with jam on it. Of course we always choose our Yorkie as a
    'sweet' else we didn't get any dessert!

    LOL true. Are you English then?

    Quoted message said:


    Looks like a glorified "cowboy pan buscuit" to me. ;-)
    Something that could be cooked up on a campfire and cast iron skillet.

    No you need an oven to cook it. It rises until it is very light and puffy
    and crisp

    O

    Why is it called pudding then?

    kili

    To us, "pudding" is mushy stuff. Thickened sweet liquids.
    To the Brit's (if I'm not mistaken), puddings are soft, moist baked
    goods.

    I finally found my mother's recipe tonight for Persimmon pudding. :-)
    It's also baked.

    Cheers!
    --
    Om.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

  11. Dee Randall said:


    "Andy" <q> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Without butter and jams what's the point of toast!?? 🙂

    Andy

    Speaking of "points of toast," I have to laugh about "points of
    toast." A woman who works in a doctor's office and I always discuss
    food when I am in the waiting chair. Over the years, invariably, tho
    different, a receipe she talks enthusiastically about always includes
    "points of toast." I perk my head to one side like a little doggie
    listening and a little bewildered. If I've got it right, they are cut
    up pieces of toast to a point, and I've never quite understood the
    attraction to 'points of toast.' Is it a 'Gourmet magzine' type of
    thing? Does anyone DO 'points of toast." Phew! I got that off my
    chest. Dee Dee

    Do you mean what's the point of points of toast? 😉 I've heard of it but
    never seen it done either.

    Next time you're in town, we simply must do toast! Ta...

    Andy

  12. "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Dee Randall said:

    "Andy" <q> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Without butter and jams what's the point of toast!?? 🙂

    Andy

    Speaking of "points of toast," I have to laugh about "points of toast."
    A
    woman who works in a doctor's office and I always discuss food when I am
    in
    the waiting chair. Over the years, invariably, tho different, a receipe
    she
    talks enthusiastically about always includes "points of toast." I perk
    my
    head to one side like a little doggie listening and a little bewildered.
    If
    I've got it right, they are cut up pieces of toast to a point, and I've
    never quite understood the attraction to 'points of toast.' Is it a
    'Gourmet magzine' type of thing? Does anyone DO 'points of toast." Phew!
    I
    got that off my chest.
    Dee Dee

    Toast points are standard for serving caviar.

    It's a less messy way to eat stuff as you don't have to bite "into" it.
    --
    Om.

    Hmm, Om. Truly? Would this type of thing be served at a wedding reception,
    etc? I've just not noticed it.
    Dee Dee

  13. "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    So how do you make it??? :-)

    Inquiring minds want to know.....

    I will tell you how I make Yorkshire pudding. My confidence in turning that
    into Toad in the Hole has been dented, even though I have been making it for
    30 + years🙂)

    4 heaped dessertpoons of plain flour
    2 eggs
    pinch of salt
    milk and water
    dripping to cook

    put flour, salt and one egg into basin
    put one egg into measure and fill it up to half pint with a mixture of milk
    and water (approx half and half)

    Beat all well together and put into fridge. I usually make my better first
    thing in the morning and leave there until needed (this standing time is
    important)

    turn oven up to full heat and when very hot, put in baking dish with
    dripping.

    When it is starting to smoke,. beat batter again and pour quickly into
    smoking dish! close oven door quickly.
    After about 15 minutes or when it is risen and puffy, turn heat down to
    finish cooking through. I haven't given heat numbers because this can be
    cooked in any oven

    If you don't have a window in your oven you need to have faith and not keep
    peeking until it has been cooking for at least 20 minutes and then open it
    only a wee crack🙂

  14. "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Ophelia said:

    "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    > In England, as a kid due to food shortage, we were given the choice of
    having our slice of 'Yorkie' on our dinner plate or served as our
    'sweet' with jam on it. Of course we always choose our Yorkie as a
    'sweet' else we didn't get any dessert!

    LOL true. Are you English then?

    No, that was a contnued quote from the recipe I got of the 'net, sorry!
    I should have put dividing lines between theirs and mine. :-)

    ahh ok, no problem🙂

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:


    Looks like a glorified "cowboy pan buscuit" to me. ;-)
    Something that could be cooked up on a campfire and cast iron skillet.

    No you need an oven to cook it. It rises until it is very light and
    puffy
    and crisp

    O

    Ah, but a dutch oven over a campfire should work as long as you have the
    one with a coal lid.

    Dunno but you could try🙂

    I had a friend who made a fruit version of Toad in the Hole. Instead of
    sausages she sliced up apples or other fruits

  15. "kilikini" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "Ophelia" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    > In England, as a kid due to food shortage, we were given the choice of
    having our slice of 'Yorkie' on our dinner plate or served as our
    'sweet' with jam on it. Of course we always choose our Yorkie as a
    'sweet' else we didn't get any dessert!

    LOL true. Are you English then?

    Quoted message said:


    Looks like a glorified "cowboy pan buscuit" to me. ;-)
    Something that could be cooked up on a campfire and cast iron skillet.

    No you need an oven to cook it. It rises until it is very light and
    puffy
    and crisp

    O

    Why is it called pudding then?

    Well we do have savoury puddings too🙂

  16. "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Ophelia said:

    "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    "Ophelia" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    > "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > news:[email hidden]...
    > >
    > > Looks interesting. :-)
    >
    > Oh do try it Om! It is delicious... unless you overcook the sausages
    > of
    > course🙂
    >
    >
    >

    Hee!

    I'm wondering what it'd be like with that sausage I get from Sun
    Harvest.
    It's a roasted garlic basil chicken sausage that is to _die_ for! Every
    time I buy it, when I get home, the whole back of the camper smells
    delightfully of garlic. :-)

    Any type of sausage works🙂

    I'm wondering how it'd be with italian sausage, and just a little tomato
    sauce.....

    Sacralige probably, but I'm always looking at "new" ways to serve
    traditional stuff just to make life more interesting!

    Absolutely🙂) I will try most things once🙂

  17. Andy Katz said:

    My decision to make certain kinds of sandwiches often depends
    entirely on whether I have a sufficient stock of say caramalized
    onions, or honey mustard.

    If I am out of salsa (picants sauce), I will not make breakfast burritos.

    Becca

  18. Andy Katz <[email hidden]> wrote in
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    Quoted message said:

    When I asked my wife if she thought meals in general and entrees in
    particular ought to be condiment driven, she gave me a look of the
    sort a woman gets when she realizes her mate has developed an
    irrevocable cognitive impairment.

    But ... suppose you were playing culinary jeopardy and the answer was,
    say, sate.

    What to serve with spicy peanut sauce?

    In our home ketchup = meatloaf sandwiches.

    My favorite lunch has become a fresh everything/whatevers on hand
    bagel, covered with garlic/balsamic/oil, toasted, sliced mozzarella
    placed on side, thin-sliced red onion on the other, toast some more,
    season with coarse salt and dried oregano, the finish with thin-sliced
    tomato.

    Don't have the balsamic/garlic/oil ... don't even think about the
    sandwich.

    Xtra chipolte-mayo on hand = elote.

    And so on.

    Andy Katz

    Duck Sauce = Egg Rolls
    Mayo = just about anything
    Mustard = hamburgers
    Ketchup = french fries
    Soy Sauce = stir fry or fried rice
    Hot Sauce = just about anything

    I could go on forever 😉

    Michael

    --
    Send email to dog30 at charter dot net

  19. On Sun 02 Oct 2005 06:18:49a, Ophelia wrote in rec.food.cooking:

    Quoted message said:


    "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    So how do you make it??? :-)

    Inquiring minds want to know.....

    I will tell you how I make Yorkshire pudding. My confidence in turning
    that into Toad in the Hole has been dented, even though I have been
    making it for 30 + years🙂)

    4 heaped dessertpoons of plain flour
    2 eggs
    pinch of salt
    milk and water
    dripping to cook

    put flour, salt and one egg into basin
    put one egg into measure and fill it up to half pint with a mixture of
    milk and water (approx half and half)

    Beat all well together and put into fridge. I usually make my better
    first thing in the morning and leave there until needed (this standing
    time is important)

    turn oven up to full heat and when very hot, put in baking dish with
    dripping.

    When it is starting to smoke,. beat batter again and pour quickly into
    smoking dish! close oven door quickly.
    After about 15 minutes or when it is risen and puffy, turn heat down to
    finish cooking through. I haven't given heat numbers because this can
    be cooked in any oven

    If you don't have a window in your oven you need to have faith and not
    keep peeking until it has been cooking for at least 20 minutes and then
    open it only a wee crack🙂

    Okay, so I'm going to try YOUR recipe, Ophelia, because all the others I've
    tried produced dismal results. (Also, none of the other mentioned resting
    the batter.)

    Two questions... I'm guessing that 4 heaping dessertspoons might be around
    1/2 cup, as we don't really have dessertspoons here. Does that sound
    reasonable? The other question isn't as relevant to your recipe, but do
    you have any idea why UK oven settings are in "Gas Marks" rather than
    degrees? Just curious. I have a conversion chart for that.

    Cheers!

    --
    Wayne Boatwright *¿*
    _____________________________

    http://tinypic.com/dzijap.jpg

    Popie-In-The-Bowl

  20. "Wayne Boatwright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    On Sun 02 Oct 2005 06:18:49a, Ophelia wrote in rec.food.cooking:
    Okay, so I'm going to try YOUR recipe, Ophelia, because all the others
    I've
    tried produced dismal results. (Also, none of the other mentioned resting
    the batter.)

    Two questions... I'm guessing that 4 heaping dessertspoons might be
    around
    1/2 cup, as we don't really have dessertspoons here. Does that sound
    reasonable?

    Dunno darling🙁 Do you have tablespoons? in that case it will be 2.

    If you don't I will try to do the cup measures for you🙂 Let me know

    The other question isn't as relevant to your recipe, but do

    Quoted message said:

    you have any idea why UK oven settings are in "Gas Marks" rather than
    degrees? Just curious. I have a conversion chart for that.

    Well my oven is electric. I turn it up as far as it will go (240c) and then
    turn it down to around 170 c

    We have gas marks and Farenheit or celcius for electricity

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