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  1. From a "your training perspective", I guess it's mute. But I feel that my CT puts way more load on me than does riding in the outdoors.

    I did some 200 watt mile sprints today, that really were a pretty dang hard effort. When I downloaded my 720i information to review the HR data i started to compare it some outside riding. (I've actually been noticing this for some time, but thought I would finally ask a few questions.)

    For the same effort that the CT was showing me, based on heart rate, I can run 23-24mph outside. Indoors it gets me around 20mph.

    I don't feel I have excessive drag on my CT setup, by having the tension set to tightly. If I run it any looser, it slips pretty bad on climbs and sprints.

    Anybody else notice this? Not that it really bugs me, but it's putting a mental downer on a training ride when you lose 10 miles you should have gotten in a 2 hour period.

    I'm still using the older "nintendo" version, but have purchased the PC version, but haven't gotten around to hooking it up yet.

  2. I don't have a computrainer or a way to compare watts, however, my CycleOps Fluid 2 is harder than riding on smooth flat pavement. I'm going to do several 30 min TT efforts this summer to try to determine how much harder. I'll have to use my old school HRM and a Borg scale to do it though. :o

    Hey, congrats on getting those vitals down. No more hypertension for you, huh?

  3. Doctor Morbius said:

    I don't have a computrainer or a way to compare watts, however, my CycleOps Fluid 2 is harder than riding on smooth flat pavement. I'm going to do several 30 min TT efforts this summer to try to determine how much harder. I'll have to use my old school HRM and a Borg scale to do it though. :o

    Hey, congrats on getting those vitals down. No more hypertension for you, huh?

    Thanks for the kind words on the vitals. 🙂 It actually generates a lot of mail for me.

    I may not be the best athlete on earth, but I've gotten healthier, and it's measurable. I'm at about 11% body fat. Trying to get to 165 pounds. I don't think I have the will power to do it and keep the muscle mass I have. To drop to 165 and not lose any muscle mass, I need to be about 6% body fat. Which (now that I type this) actually explains a few things for me mentally, and why it's been so hard to accomplish. Thanks for bumming me out.... 😠 :p 😉

  4. stormer94 said:

    Thanks for bumming me out.... 😠 :p 😉

    Sure! Glad I could help. 😉 At 11% bodyfat you're probably at the cusp of losing lean muscle if you lose much more fat. Personally, I'd rather keep the lean muscle but that's just me. You may consider going ahead and losing the extra few pounds just for a short period of time (summer, for example) and see if you like being at that weight. Then if you feel weaker you can always go to the gym for a while and put the muscle back on. Just a thought.

    I'm going to take the weight loss thing very slowly and shoot for 20 - 25 lbs a year for 2 years. That way I should minimize the loss of lean muscle and at 195- 200 lbs (provided no muscle loss) I'd be one freaky ripped dude, especially if I can keep my arms around 18 1/2 to 19 inches!

  5. Doctor Morbius said:

    Sure! Glad I could help. 😉 At 11% bodyfat you're probably at the cusp of losing lean muscle if you lose much more fat. Personally, I'd rather keep the lean muscle but that's just me. You may consider going ahead and losing the extra few pounds just for a short period of time (summer, for example) and see if you like being at that weight. Then if you feel weaker you can always go to the gym for a while and put the muscle back on. Just a thought.

    I'm going to take the weight loss thing very slowly and shoot for 20 - 25 lbs a year for 2 years. That way I should minimize the loss of lean muscle and at 195- 200 lbs (provided no muscle loss) I'd be one freaky ripped dude, especially if I can keep my arms around 18 1/2 to 19 inches!

    I don't know that you can have an 18-19" arm and weigh 195. Unless that's all you did was target the arm. I have lost a pile of weight, and from my own trials and tribulations, I know you can lose about .4 pounds a day effectively. That's 146 pounds a year. 2.8 pounds a week. I think I've seen other people mention that 2.5 pounds a week should be a max number.

    As you lose weight, your body just handles all of that. It knows that you no longer need as much leg mass as your upper body is now 50 pounds lighter. You will still likely be the same proportion. And what makes a person look lean and mean is simply being lean. You can't have great abs if they are covered in insulation. If you have 18" arms now and lose 50 pounds, you're gonna lose some arm diameter. Not because it's all lost muscle, you're losing the insulation.

    I know a guy that weighs 350 pounds and has 18" arms, he's overweight, not "in shape". I've let my arms get down to about 14", and I kick his butt arm wrestling. Sure he has a "bigger arm"... 🙄 I think you'd be surprised at how much or how little muscle mass you likely have now. Do you have access to one of those fat calculating scales? Even with some debatable accuracy, it's an eye opener.

    DON'T TAKE IT "THAT" SLOWLY... 50 pounds over 2 years is to long. You're not enabling yourself, and putting off the inevitable. You need to DO IT! 50 pounds over 2 years is only a .48 loss per week. .48 pounds is like one decent [censored], 2 less cans of Pepsi, etc.... If you need to lose weight, YOU KNOW YOU NEED TO DO IT! :o

    "Cowboy up" and make it happen!!! Your knees will feel better, your back will feel better, your sex life will be better (believe that!), your attitude will be better, you'll feel better, spend more time with the family, etc. Those are all things that will SERIOUSLY improve your life. Don't put that stuff off. Don't be the fat guy at the picnic sitting in the corner, be the cool guy playing with the kids, tossing the frisbee, smile on his face, taking his wife on walks to the park. Going to the beach. If you know you need to lose it, you are likely a tad self conscious about it. Make it go away, be the man you know you should be!

    You should be able to comfortably (with physicians approval) lose 50 pounds in 20 weeks at 2.5 pounds per week. And if you're making the effort and riding, all the easier. A little over 4.5 months. Start today and lose 50 pounds by the end of October.

    The first 10-20 is the easiest.

    You can do it man! C'mon, let's go!!! 🙂

  6. stormer94 said:

    I don't know that you can have an 18-19" arm and weigh 195. Unless that's all you did was target the arm.

    I may in fact do just that. I have a bad lower back and left shoulder so I'm not able to do any heavy bench or bent over rows or anything like that. But I may target arms (guns as we used to call them 😉 ), core and legs the most and do rehab type work for the shoulders, pushups for the chest and pulldowns for lats.

    Quoted post said:

    I have lost a pile of weight, and from my own trials and tribulations, I know you can lose about .4 pounds a day effectively. That's 146 pounds a year. 2.8 pounds a week. I think I've seen other people mention that 2.5 pounds a week should be a max number.

    Personally, I believe 0.4 lbs per day is too much. In the past I've tried to lose 2 to 2.5 lbs per week and ended up getting weak and sick and losing quite a bit of muscle on top of it. That's why I want to try something different this time around. I still want to have some pizza and beer once and a while too, you know.

    Quoted post said:

    As you lose weight, your body just handles all of that. It knows that you no longer need as much leg mass as your upper body is now 50 pounds lighter. You will still likely be the same proportion. And what makes a person look lean and mean is simply being lean. You can't have great abs if they are covered in insulation. If you have 18" arms now and lose 50 pounds, you're gonna lose some arm diameter. Not because it's all lost muscle, you're losing the insulation.

    I may not actually need to lose 50 lbs. I was just throwing a number out there because I have been weighing arund 250 and thought that 200 would be a good "fighting weight" so to speak. I currently tip the scales at 246 as of yesterday morning. I've already lost 9 lbs since this Winter without really dieting or trying. Just letting the warmer weather take it's course. According to my skin fold calipers (yeah, we all know how accurate those things are!) my BF is 20%. So if I lost 50 lbs of just fat I'd have zero % BF. That's obviously not going to happen. But I could set a realistic goal of losing 12% of that 20% which would only be ~30 lbs. That's doable.

    Quoted post said:

    I know a guy that weighs 350 pounds and has 18" arms, he's overweight, not "in shape". I've let my arms get down to about 14", and I kick his butt arm wrestling. Sure he has a "bigger arm"... 🙄 I think you'd be surprised at how much or how little muscle mass you likely have now. Do you have access to one of those fat calculating scales? Even with some debatable accuracy, it's an eye opener.

    While true I don't have the pure strength I had 20 years ago, I've managed to keep quite a bit of size. See pics. That was from last Spring when my arms were just below 19" and I weighed about the same as I do right now. I'm obviously pretty smooth but my goal isn't to get into contest shape. Just somewhere around 8% to 10% BF and keep some size. At that point I will reassess and make a decision to lose some more or stay put.

    Quoted post said:

    DON'T TAKE IT "THAT" SLOWLY... 50 pounds over 2 years is to long. You're not enabling yourself, and putting off the inevitable. You need to DO IT! 50 pounds over 2 years is only a .48 loss per week. .48 pounds is like one decent [censored], 2 less cans of Pepsi, etc.... If you need to lose weight, YOU KNOW YOU NEED TO DO IT! :o

    "Cowboy up" and make it happen!!! Your knees will feel better, your back will feel better, your sex life will be better (believe that!), your attitude will be better, you'll feel better, spend more time with the family, etc. Those are all things that will SERIOUSLY improve your life. Don't put that stuff off. Don't be the fat guy at the picnic sitting in the corner, be the cool guy playing with the kids, tossing the frisbee, smile on his face, taking his wife on walks to the park. Going to the beach. If you know you need to lose it, you are likely a tad self conscious about it. Make it go away, be the man you know you should be!

    You should be able to comfortably (with physicians approval) lose 50 pounds in 20 weeks at 2.5 pounds per week. And if you're making the effort and riding, all the easier. A little over 4.5 months. Start today and lose 50 pounds by the end of October.

    The first 10-20 is the easiest.

    You can do it man! C'mon, let's go!!! 🙂

    Cowboy up! 😄 That's too funny. Don't worry. I'm not the fat guy sitting in the corner at the picnic. My weight is not tied to my self-esteem. Besides, the people who lose weight just to be thin thinking they are going to sit at the cool kid's lunch table are grossly mistaken. They'll be very disappointed if that's why they're doing it. If anything I was more self-conscious about myself when I was a pumped up steroided bodybuilding freak. It felt weird having people stare at me. But I'm older now and I could have some fun with that these days. 😉

    I think if more people took a longer term approach to weight loss (i.e. 1/2 lb per week) then they may be able to keep it off. That's where most diets fail as within a certain period of months the dieter will start gaining it back. The yo-yo syndrome isn't only hard on the ego, it's hard on the thyroid, pancreas and endocrine system.

    My brother does this [censored] all of the time and is a prime example of the typical dieter. He starves himself or goes on some unrealistic Atkin's styled diet and looses about 30 lbs fairly quickly. As soon as he hits his target he resumes his former eating habbits (as his diet was unsustainable in the first place!) and gains it all back and more because he's screwed up his metabolism.

    One advantage of losing the weight slowly is that I won't slow down my metabolism. The bod won't freak and go into "starvation mode" thinking there is a famine. It's great in that it saved my ancestors, but it sucks for me.

  7. Doctor Morbius said:

    I think if more people took a longer term approach to weight loss (i.e. 1/2 lb per week) then they may be able to keep it off. That's where most diets fail as within a certain period of months the dieter will start gaining it back. The yo-yo syndrome isn't only hard on the ego, it's hard on the thyroid, pancreas and endocrine system.

    My brother does this [censored] all of the time and is a prime example of the typical dieter. He starves himself or goes on some unrealistic Atkin's styled diet and looses about 30 lbs fairly quickly. As soon as he hits his target he resumes his former eating habbits (as his diet was unsustainable in the first place!) and gains it all back and more because he's screwed up his metabolism.

    One advantage of losing the weight slowly is that I won't slow down my metabolism. The bod won't freak and go into "starvation mode" thinking there is a famine. It's great in that it saved my ancestors, but it sucks for me.


    I agree with this approach 100%. A balanced healthy diet with lots of exercise that achieves a slow reduction down to a healthy stable weight is the way to go. I and many others I know have done the starvation diet thing and lost 1kg/week or more but its not sustainable and you learn nothing about achieving a balance between what you eat and how much you burn. You're hungry all the time and feel [censored]. As soon as you achieve your goal you reward yourself with a good meal and start the process of putting it all back on again.

    I've lost about 8kg slowly and want to loose about 6kg more. I started by devising an exercise program of lots of riding, running, walking, tennis and gym work all of which I enjoy and don't really diet at all. I didn't loose any weight for the first 4 months, but did build muscle as well as getting very fit and a lot stronger. Slightly reducing the amount I eat (mainly eliminating the occasional pigout and chosing healthier low fat alternatives) lets me loose weight at about a kg a month eating good food and never feeling hungry. The most important thing is that it's sustainable as I'm living a lifestyle I enjoy and I've now got a good feel for the balance between what I eat and burn up and I don't have to count cals.

    My reward this time is going to be a trip to Europe with lots of cycling around Ireland, France and Italy including a ride up l'Alp d'Huez!

  8. You may want to join the computrainer forum. Be certain that you are calibrating correctly, that you've got your bodyweight, bike weight in correctly, tension set correctly. Also, do you warm up your system for a good 15 minutes before calibrating ? Do you calibrate every ride ?

    I have found my CT to very closely mirror outdoor riding, with one notable difference. You never coast, or slow down, on a Computrainer and some of the course are brutal. Even more challenging if you are doing power-based training rather than riding courses. In my experience, 1 hour on a CT is worth 1.5 hours on the road.

    -Robert

  9. scopestuff2 said:

    You may want to join the computrainer forum. Be certain that you are calibrating correctly, that you've got your bodyweight, bike weight in correctly, tension set correctly. Also, do you warm up your system for a good 15 minutes before calibrating ? Do you calibrate every ride ?

    I have found my CT to very closely mirror outdoor riding, with one notable difference. You never coast, or slow down, on a Computrainer and some of the course are brutal. Even more challenging if you are doing power-based training rather than riding courses. In my experience, 1 hour on a CT is worth 1.5 hours on the road.

    -Robert

    I'd agree to that about the 1 hour "seems" like 1.5 on the road. I don't believe the version I have, the orginal nintendo version, can be calibrated. BUT, I do have the new PC version, just haven't gotten around to finding the 4 hours to get everything converted, run cables... yadda. I could take the day off from riding... but can't bring myself to do that either.
    😄

  10. Morbius,

    Here's a shot from last year at 18%. I'll have to get a more current pic. I should have smiled, I look mad or something. :o

  11. stormer94 said:

    Morbius,

    Here's a shot from last year at 18%. I'll have to get a more current pic. I should have smiled, I look mad or something. :o

    If that's at 18% bodyfat then I'm probably closer to 25%. Like I say, the calipers aren't to be trusted. So up that 30 lbs to 37 lbs just to err on the safe side for me then. :o

    I thought I had some numbers around here somewhere that correlated trainer time to actual road time but I can't find them. I've looked all over for them. They must have been in a Carmichael book that I had checked out from the library (The Ultimate Ride). If memory serves he said that 2 hours of trainer time was like 2.5 hours road time. If you have access to The Ultimate Ride you can check out the time differences for yourself.

    Post them if you get a chance. I'd like to have a copy of them and like an idiot I didn't put it into a text file.

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