Compulsory helmets for car drivers

It says head band, not helmet. Get it right.

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Read the long paragraph nearest the end at: ab-ab-Open ↗
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Read the long paragraph nearest the end at: ab-ab-Open ↗
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I noticed nothing was said in that article about driver
training, and the standards of driver training in other
countries, not to mention the issue of road maintenance was
shrugged off rather promptly.

Anyone else think the priorities are back to front and up
side down?

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Read the long paragraph nearest the end at: ab-ab-Open ↗
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ROTFLOL over the mention of Vic. in the next.

Scott Badman said:

Anyone else think the priorities are back to front and up
side down?

No, just inside-out. Yeah, I've had a long day 😄

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I noticed nothing was said in that article about driver
training, and the standards of driver training in other
countries, not to mention the issue

of

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road maintenance was shrugged off rather promptly.

But how can you make money off that? Did they mention a
headband camera or the list of fines for not wearing a
headband? I'm sure they already have those worked out.

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I noticed nothing was said in that article about driver
training, and

the

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standards of driver training in other countries, not to
mention the

issue

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of

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road maintenance was shrugged off rather promptly.

But how can you make money off that? Did they mention a
headband camera or the list of fines for not wearing a
headband? I'm sure they already have those worked out.

If it saves lives it has to be worth it

Pete

But if it only saves one life, surely it will be worth it!
Just like roll cages and 30 km/h speed limits, should we
get them too?

Brett

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Read the long paragraph nearest the end at: ab-ab-Open ↗
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Got this far and no ones mentioned volvo drivers and hats yet.

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Read the long paragraph nearest the end at: --Open ↗
abc.net.au/rn/talks/natint/stories/s1099572.htm

I noticed nothing was said in that article about driver
training, and the standards of driver training in other
countries, not to mention the issue

of

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road maintenance was shrugged off rather promptly.

Anyone else think the priorities are back to front and up
side down?

You mean ....... like as in down under compared to up and
over.

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Got this far and no ones mentioned volvo drivers and hats yet.

Volvos and Hats!

But they dont need helmets cos they have that impervious layer of delusion surrounding their beings cos 'nothing can touch them, cos they is driving the world's fifth safest car!"

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I noticed nothing was said in that article about
driver training, and

the

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standards of driver training in other countries, not
to mention the

issue

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of

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road maintenance was shrugged off rather promptly.

But how can you make money off that? Did they mention a
headband camera

or

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the list of fines for not wearing a headband? I'm sure
they already have those worked out.

If it saves lives it has to be worth it

Pete

Not all the time.

I'm sure it would save lives if we dropped the metro speed
limit to 30kmh everywhere but I'm not sure it would be worth
it. Hell, I'm still not convinced that 50kmh is worth it...

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I noticed nothing was said in that article about driver
training, and the standards of driver training in other
countries, not to mention the issue

of

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road maintenance was shrugged off rather promptly.

But how can you make money off that? Did they mention a
headband camera or the list of fines for not wearing a
headband? I'm sure they already have those worked out.

It isn't difficult for a police patrol to determine whether
a driver is wearing a headband. They can spot you using your
phone or driving without a seatbelt, so enforcement of a
headband rule would be no more difficult than enforcing the
above rules.

Contrary to populist TV programs, road rules aren't invented
in order to raise revenue. Typically, they are imposed to
improve the trade-off between fast transport and safety. The
Keep Left rule is a good example...

There can be little doubt that increasing the level of
safety equipment reduces the risk of injury or death to the
person using the protection, _all else equal_. However,
there is a trade-off with risky behaviour - ie, people
exchange some of the additional safety for (say) faster
driving. This can increase the risk to people that are not
using the protective equipment. A good example of this is
the effect of the introduction of seat belts, which enabled
significantly faster driving for the same level of
driver/passenger safety but which also increased the risks
to pedestrians... Driver headbands could fall in the same
category...

2 cents Ritch

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But how can you make money off that? Did they mention a
headband camera or the list of fines for not wearing a
headband? I'm sure they already have those worked out.

If it saves lives it has to be worth it

Yep, no doubt it would save a few drivers in the event of an
accident. However, as they would then feel safer driving
around due to the extra safety equipment then they would
take more risks and increase the chance of an accident. That
accident could quite likely wipe out a cyclist or
pedestrian.

When the UK introduced compulsory seatbelts the change in
number of drivers killed or seriously injured was
statistically insignificant, but there was a very
significant increase in KSIs to vulnerable road users
(cyclists, pedestrians, horse riders etc.).

Any introduction of "safety equipment" should be looked at
very closely to really see what the end result could be.

Graeme

Peter Vesel said:

If it saves lives it has to be worth it

What a dumb cliche. Lets say 20 million headbands at $30
each for Australia. Investment $600M. Inconvenience: not
much. similar to seatbelts. Say, $50 over the lifetime of
the band? (~5c/journey) Another billion dollars worth.

Suppose it saves two lives. Was it worth it? Much better to
spend the time and money in countless other ways. What about
10 lives? No. 100 lives? Maybe, but I want to see some
evidnece thats more than wishful thinking on its
effectiveness.

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But if it only saves one life, surely it will be worth it!
Just like roll cages and 30 km/h speed limits, should we
get them too?

30km/h are you mad. We won't be truly safe until the
limit is 10km/h

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But if it only saves one life, surely it will be worth
it! Just like

roll

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cages and 30 km/h speed limits, should we get them too?

30km/h are you mad. We won't be truly safe until the limit
is 10km/h

Well rolling at 10kph is a lot safer.

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Peter Vesel said:

If it saves lives it has to be worth it

What a dumb cliche. Lets say 20 million headbands at $30
each for Australia. Investment $600M. Inconvenience: not
much. similar to seatbelts. Say, $50 over the lifetime of
the band? (~5c/journey) Another billion dollars worth.

Suppose it saves two lives. Was it worth it? Much better
to spend the time and money in countless other ways. What
about 10 lives? No. 100 lives? Maybe, but I want to see
some evidnece thats more than wishful thinking on its
effectiveness.

When the made bicycle helmets compulsory didn't they say it
save 50 lives a year or some such number? The number one
cause of head injury is car accidents so anything that could
do for vehicle drivers what helmets have done for cyclists
seems good.

Pete

Graeme said:

When the UK introduced compulsory seatbelts the change in
number of drivers killed or seriously injured was
statistically insignificant, but there was a very
significant increase in KSIs to vulnerable road users
(cyclists, pedestrians, horse riders etc.).

You have a source for this claim of course?

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When the made bicycle helmets compulsory didn't they say
it save 50 lives a year or some such number?

"They" may have said it, but almost all research shows that
the only real effect has been the reduction in number of
cyclists rather than the reduction of rate of head injuries.
That means that a proportion of the population is getting
less exercise and is therefore less healthy. So the effect
of compulsory helmet laws in various countries around the
world is, on the whole, negative.

Graeme