Compulsive Overeating

"Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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How does one who is living a life of drama start living a life of personal

gain?

By understanding that events in the outside world do not create any specific
emotions. The very same event will trigger different emotions in different
people. Some people will go through hell and back, and only survive
stronger. Others will have an argument with their spouse and collapse. It's
just our cognitive processes (history, beliefs...) that color the events of
the outside world with emotions - our own personnal emotionnal signature.
You don't really need to change your life, you just need to change how you
deal with the events of your life.

Rational Emotive Behavioral Therapy is the philosophy Lictor is quoting
from, I think.

Placid

http://www.threeminutetherapy.com/rebt.html

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"Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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How does one who is living a life of drama start living a life of
personal

gain?

By understanding that events in the outside world do not create any
specific
emotions. The very same event will trigger different emotions in different
people. Some people will go through hell and back, and only survive
stronger. Others will have an argument with their spouse and collapse.
It's
just our cognitive processes (history, beliefs...) that color the events
of
the outside world with emotions - our own personnal emotionnal signature.
You don't really need to change your life, you just need to change how you
deal with the events of your life.

Denis Morissette said:

Rebecca <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<QNF1d.191924$Fg5.59620@attbi_s53>...

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In addition to Luna's good list of rules, I always add the one that I
will not eat after say 7:00 pm at all. Evening is also my time of least
control, so this rule is important for me.

Rebecca

Rebecca, I think you should eat during the period you have least
control (after 7PM in my case), and don't eat during the period you
have most control (probably in the morning). I often read about people
stopping eating after 6PM. If they breakfast at 9AM, then they have
spent 15 hours without food in their stomach. 15 hours is a whole day
minus just 9 hours without eating. That's a lot! What I did yesterday
is a good example of what I usually do: I get some fruit when I wake
up at 6AM, take a coffee afterwards, eat a tablespoon of peanut butter
at 9AM during my break, eat lunch at 1PM, have a slice of bread with
peanut butter at 3PM during my other break, a piece of meat (chicken,
fish or fish) at 7PM, and another piece of meat at 10PM. The total of
calories is under 1500 calories. I don't know about others, but when I
get out of control with food, it's because my stomach hurts. And my
stomach hurts because there is no food to process.

Denis

Thanks Denis for outlining your day for me! I find it very interesting
to get that kind of detail from others with something that works.

I have a routine now that works pretty well for me. I wake up in the
morning and do my exercising. I'm experimenting with going running with
and without having a piece of whole wheat toast before I go, but other
than that, nothing until i feel hungry later in the morning. Sometimes
that doesn't happen until noon, other times, I have an omelet at 9.
Then I eat small LC snacks, or meal-type LC things throughout the
afternoon, because that is my time of least control - obviously I need
fuel then. And then I cook a meal for my family, and eat it with them,
around 6:30. It's usually a LC meal - some meat thing and a vegetable,
perhaps a salad. We don't usually have the large 3 or 4 course meals
any more, since I figure we don't need all that food, and I also believe
in snacking when we're hungry the rest of the day. If I allow myself to
snack when I need to, I'm really not hungry at all after that dinner meal.

The thing about night-time eating for me, is purely comfort eating. I
have wonderful memories of lying down to read next to my mom at night
with some snack between us - cheese and crackers, even just slices of
oranges. The only way for me to stop going overboard on that kind of
night-time eating was for me to stop entirely. I realize that my
situation may be different from others', so I just offered that out as a
possibly useful idea.

Rebecca

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Rational Emotive Behavioral Therapy is the philosophy Lictor is quoting
from, I think.

Not really, I was thinking more along the lines of cognitive therapy, but
this seems pretty close and related. The idea is that your cognitions act as
interfaces between the real world and your inner self. The only way the
world can touch you is through your cognitive processes, and the ideas and
emotions they generate.

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http://www.threeminutetherapy.com/rebt.html

Thanks for the link. The issue with "musts" is certainly a part of the
overeating process; people don't stick to their plan, fail a "must", and the
emotionnal distress is high enough to throw them off plan.
Though the "3 minutes approach" sounds a bit too much like a commercial add
(or the "2 pounds diet" lol). I have been adviced to read Epictetus on some
weight loss groups actually, I guess I should...

being occupied with what seems like "a million changes and concerns"
has increased my appetite for sweets, BIG TIME!
i must always be aware of that........................it can hit
"out of the blue"!

--
Bush Lying to America about Iraq
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/091704Z.shtml

"Jo-Ann" <RiverRun@ mindspring.com> wrote in message
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: Jim,
: You make an awful lot of sense! It's true because when I'm happy,
in a good
: mood and looking forward to something I like or want, I don't
think about
: eating.
: I have been looking for another job-I filled out 5 applications
and haven't
: heard anything yet. I will keep looking.
: Thanks Jim for some good advice. I just wish I knew what a life of
personal
: gain would be for me.
: Jo-Ann
:
:
: "Jim Bard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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: >
: > > >
: >
: > Your problem is not nuts. Your problem is feeling guilty and
helpless
: about
: > all the things that happen to you and turning to food as an
escape.
: >
: > If you quit living a life of drama and start living a life of
personal
: gain,
: > you might find that the nuts (and other foods) might not be so
important.
: >
: > I don't mean to sound harsh, but you did ask. And now I wish I
had some
: > peanuts around here to snack on. 🙂
: >
: >
:
:

Lictor said:

"Jo-Ann" <RiverRun@ mindspring.com> wrote in message
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I have been to therapy. I received the same type of frivolous answer from
the therapist.

Then, you have had a bad therapist. A good therapist won't push method X on
you (behavioural, cognitive, Freudian, whatever). A good therapist will
listen to you, and then think in his head "I know of appraches A, B, C and
D, what's the perfect mix to help this person". For instance, behavioural
therapy (the tips Luna posted) is often part of the mix, because it often
provides quick relief that allows for enough peace of mind to work on the
therapy. But pure behavioural tends to be short lived.
That's why a good therapist needs to be *specialized* in eating disorders,
otherwise he just doesn't have the skills to be fluent in that kind of
multi-therapy process. And yes, good therapists I damn rare, perhaps even
more so than good doctors. And even if you find a good one, you have to find
a perfect fit with your own personnality. But it's still worth trying.

I have this problem, too. I'm sorry that you share this problem with me,
Jo-Ann, but it's also comforting to know that it's not just me. My HMO
never did get back to me when I phoned them for pre-approval to see the
only therapist specializing in eating disorders in southern Minnesota. I'm
going to write a formal request, and see where that gets me.

Carol
--
"Years ago my mother used to say to me... She'd say,
'In this world Elwood, you must be oh-so smart or oh-so pleasant.'
Well, for years I was smart.... I recommend pleasant. You may quote me."

*James Stewart* in the 1950 movie, _Harvey_

Jo-Ann said:

Hi Everyone,
I have been on the low carb (Atkins) WOE now for over one year. I have lost
64 pounds and have maintained the loss for 7 months. I weigh myself every
Monday morning. I can REALLY use some advice.
After my weigh in this week, I found, to my horror, I had gained 4 pounds.
OK! Fine! I lost my job when the business folded and I'm not as active as I
was. I have been going through extreme emotional stress. Fine! I have been
trying to justify this weight gain when all this time, I KNOW THE REASON.
I am a compulsive overeater and have been eating too much of my "Legal"
foods, especially nuts! I have been consuming too many calories each day. I
need some control now. I really need some advice as to how to start
controlling the amount I eat.
I have tried to go back on the "Induction phase of the program but at night,
I eat those darned nuts again and can't seem to control the amount.
As an ex- member of Overeaters' Anonymous for years, (lost 123 pounds and
regained over 90) I think I miss the sharing with other who have the same
problem.
I have been looking for another job and I pray I get a call soon from the 5
applications I have filled out so far. I am also waiting to see how
Hurricane Ivan is going. I live in North Carolina and want to visit my 85
year old mother in New Jersey. I ahead not seen her in 2 years. I have
begged her to come and live with me but she will not move. I feel so guilty.
I was supposed to have already driven up to N. J. a few weeks ago but
postponed the trip because of Hurricanes Charlie and Frances. Now, there's
another forming. I am afraid to drive in that kind of weather. It's a 12
hour trip from here.
I would love to get some help and suggestions. Thanks so much for your time
and understanding! Take care all!
Jo-Ann

Beating Carb Cravings

1) Drink 2 full glasses of water [ “hunger” = thirst ]
2) Perfume/Colone – SMELL overcomes taste
3) Brush Your Teeth – kills hunger, numbs your mouth
4) Sugarless Gum – Chewing subs for eating
5) Distract Yourself – Take walk, Climb Stairs, Jumping Jacks...
6) Engaging or Interactive Activity – Chores, Games, Helping Someone,
7) Turn OFF TV – stops constant exposure to food signals
8) Goals – Review them, Write them, Visualize them
9) Reading Material Handy – Read/Reread favorites (DANDR ?)
10) Call a Diet Buddy
11) Go Online for Support- Web sites/Chat rooms for low-carb
12) New Reward System- NOT FOOD – Bubble Bath, Movie, Fun Reading.......
13) Add Physical Aspect to Rewards – Dance, go shopping, take yoga
class, climb rock
wall
14) Sour Snack – Pickle, raw veggie, spiced or hot...
15) Supplements – l-glutamine, orange bitter, chromium.......
16) Healthy Alternatives – Acceptable Foods [Hard boiled eggs, string
cheese, sliced
meats,..
17) Low Carb Version of Craving – Low Carb Yogurt, Chocolate, Milk,
Candy Bars,....
18) Self-Made Low Carb Treat – “Pork rinds+cinnamon+splenda”, Coconut
milk+cocoa+splenda, Cooked zucchini+low carb pasta sauce
19) Bite of Real Thing -?????
20) Give In OCCASIONALLY – unless it sets you back too much.

Good Luck

I fight the same problem myself from time to time. Now I often win or at
least draw.

Jim

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Jo-Ann said:

Hi Everyone,
I have been on the low carb (Atkins) WOE now for over one year. I have

lost

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

64 pounds and have maintained the loss for 7 months. I weigh myself

every

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Monday morning. I can REALLY use some advice.
After my weigh in this week, I found, to my horror, I had gained 4

pounds.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

OK! Fine! I lost my job when the business folded and I'm not as active

as I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

was. I have been going through extreme emotional stress. Fine! I have

been

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

trying to justify this weight gain when all this time, I KNOW THE

REASON.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I am a compulsive overeater and have been eating too much of my "Legal"
foods, especially nuts! I have been consuming too many calories each

day. I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

need some control now. I really need some advice as to how to start
controlling the amount I eat.
I have tried to go back on the "Induction phase of the program but at

night,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I eat those darned nuts again and can't seem to control the amount.
As an ex- member of Overeaters' Anonymous for years, (lost 123 pounds

and

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

regained over 90) I think I miss the sharing with other who have the

same

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

problem.
I have been looking for another job and I pray I get a call soon from

the 5

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

applications I have filled out so far. I am also waiting to see how
Hurricane Ivan is going. I live in North Carolina and want to visit my

85

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

year old mother in New Jersey. I ahead not seen her in 2 years. I have
begged her to come and live with me but she will not move. I feel so

guilty.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I was supposed to have already driven up to N. J. a few weeks ago but
postponed the trip because of Hurricanes Charlie and Frances. Now,

there's

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

another forming. I am afraid to drive in that kind of weather. It's a 12
hour trip from here.
I would love to get some help and suggestions. Thanks so much for your

time

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

and understanding! Take care all!
Jo-Ann

Beating Carb Cravings

1) Drink 2 full glasses of water [ “hunger” = thirst ]
2) Perfume/Colone – SMELL overcomes taste
3) Brush Your Teeth – kills hunger, numbs your mouth
4) Sugarless Gum – Chewing subs for eating
5) Distract Yourself – Take walk, Climb Stairs, Jumping Jacks...
6) Engaging or Interactive Activity – Chores, Games, Helping Someone,
7) Turn OFF TV – stops constant exposure to food signals
8) Goals – Review them, Write them, Visualize them
9) Reading Material Handy – Read/Reread favorites (DANDR ?)
10) Call a Diet Buddy
11) Go Online for Support- Web sites/Chat rooms for low-carb
12) New Reward System- NOT FOOD – Bubble Bath, Movie, Fun Reading.......
13) Add Physical Aspect to Rewards – Dance, go shopping, take yoga
class, climb rock
wall
14) Sour Snack – Pickle, raw veggie, spiced or hot...
15) Supplements – l-glutamine, orange bitter, chromium.......
16) Healthy Alternatives – Acceptable Foods [Hard boiled eggs, string
cheese, sliced
meats,..
17) Low Carb Version of Craving – Low Carb Yogurt, Chocolate, Milk,
Candy Bars,....
18) Self-Made Low Carb Treat – “Pork rinds+cinnamon+splenda”, Coconut
milk+cocoa+splenda, Cooked zucchini+low carb pasta sauce
19) Bite of Real Thing -?????

No - you can't do that if you are a compulsive overeater. 1 bite and you
will eat it all till it's all gone. That's me anyway. I get the idea that if
i eat it all it will be all gone and no more temptation. SO i become the
human garbage disposal.

You must get rid of the tempting items. If nuts are legal in small quantity
but you are losing control then No more nuts.

Do you drink diet soda with aspertame? I found I had to give it up - it was
giving me cravings liek crazy.

Quoted message said:

20) Give In OCCASIONALLY – unless it sets you back too much.

Good Luck

I fight the same problem myself from time to time. Now I often win or at
least draw.

Jim

The best way to get rid of carb cravings is to get rid of foods that provoke
an insulin spike. For many of us that means carbohydrates. For some of us,
it may be both carbs and too much protein.

That means that to get a handle on hunger, you might have to stop eating any
of the supposed "low carb" foods you see at the store, because many of them
are full of sugar alcohols which can raise blood sugar for many of us.

Not only that, but I've found that a few grams of sugar alcohol will cause
me to be hungry for literally hours after eating the food that contains
them, and the hunger is way out of proportion to their actual food value. I
have had to completely eliminate even the low carb ice cream, which is kind
to my blood sugar, because I don't want to deal with the subsequent hunger.
Even the sugar free breath mints give me hours of cravings.

Not everyone has this reaction, but if you are low carbing and still
obsessing about food, cutting the sugar alcohols might be a very good place
to start.

-- Jenny - Low Carbing for 5 years. Below goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes,
hba1c 5.7 .
Cut the carbs to respond to my email address!

Jenny's new site: What they Don't Tell You About Diabetes
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"jbuch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Jo-Ann said:

Hi Everyone,
I have been on the low carb (Atkins) WOE now for over one year. I have

lost

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

64 pounds and have maintained the loss for 7 months. I weigh myself

every

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Monday morning. I can REALLY use some advice.
After my weigh in this week, I found, to my horror, I had gained 4

pounds.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

OK! Fine! I lost my job when the business folded and I'm not as active

as I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

was. I have been going through extreme emotional stress. Fine! I have

been

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

trying to justify this weight gain when all this time, I KNOW THE

REASON.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I am a compulsive overeater and have been eating too much of my

"Legal"

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

foods, especially nuts! I have been consuming too many calories each

day. I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

need some control now. I really need some advice as to how to start
controlling the amount I eat.
I have tried to go back on the "Induction phase of the program but at

night,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I eat those darned nuts again and can't seem to control the amount.
As an ex- member of Overeaters' Anonymous for years, (lost 123 pounds

and

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

regained over 90) I think I miss the sharing with other who have the

same

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

problem.
I have been looking for another job and I pray I get a call soon from

the 5

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

applications I have filled out so far. I am also waiting to see how
Hurricane Ivan is going. I live in North Carolina and want to visit my

85

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

year old mother in New Jersey. I ahead not seen her in 2 years. I have
begged her to come and live with me but she will not move. I feel so

guilty.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I was supposed to have already driven up to N. J. a few weeks ago but
postponed the trip because of Hurricanes Charlie and Frances. Now,

there's

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

another forming. I am afraid to drive in that kind of weather. It's a

12

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

hour trip from here.
I would love to get some help and suggestions. Thanks so much for your

time

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

and understanding! Take care all!
Jo-Ann

Beating Carb Cravings

1) Drink 2 full glasses of water [ “hunger” = thirst ]
2) Perfume/Colone – SMELL overcomes taste
3) Brush Your Teeth – kills hunger, numbs your mouth
4) Sugarless Gum – Chewing subs for eating
5) Distract Yourself – Take walk, Climb Stairs, Jumping Jacks...
6) Engaging or Interactive Activity – Chores, Games, Helping Someone,
7) Turn OFF TV – stops constant exposure to food signals
8) Goals – Review them, Write them, Visualize them
9) Reading Material Handy – Read/Reread favorites (DANDR ?)
10) Call a Diet Buddy
11) Go Online for Support- Web sites/Chat rooms for low-carb
12) New Reward System- NOT FOOD – Bubble Bath, Movie, Fun Reading.......
13) Add Physical Aspect to Rewards – Dance, go shopping, take yoga
class, climb rock
wall
14) Sour Snack – Pickle, raw veggie, spiced or hot...
15) Supplements – l-glutamine, orange bitter, chromium.......
16) Healthy Alternatives – Acceptable Foods [Hard boiled eggs, string
cheese, sliced
meats,..
17) Low Carb Version of Craving – Low Carb Yogurt, Chocolate, Milk,
Candy Bars,....
18) Self-Made Low Carb Treat – “Pork rinds+cinnamon+splenda”, Coconut
milk+cocoa+splenda, Cooked zucchini+low carb pasta sauce
19) Bite of Real Thing -?????

No - you can't do that if you are a compulsive overeater. 1 bite and you
will eat it all till it's all gone. That's me anyway. I get the idea that

if

Quoted message said:

i eat it all it will be all gone and no more temptation. SO i become the
human garbage disposal.

You must get rid of the tempting items. If nuts are legal in small

quantity

Quoted message said:

but you are losing control then No more nuts.

Do you drink diet soda with aspertame? I found I had to give it up - it

was

Quoted message said:

giving me cravings liek crazy.

Quoted message said:

20) Give In OCCASIONALLY – unless it sets you back too much.

Good Luck

I fight the same problem myself from time to time. Now I often win or at
least draw.

Jim

Not meaning to mock the OP, but when I was skimming the subject lines just
now I read the typo as "carb crabbings" and thought, yeah, dang it, I
identify with that.

Right now I'm crabby because I would love nothing more than some toasted
and buttered home-baked sourdough bread topped with some home-made
strawberry jam with my coffee this morning. Not a craving, just a
crabbing ;-)

Dan
325/197/190
Atkins since 1/1/02 (yeah, it was a New Year's Resolution)
Besetting sins: good beer, German bread, and Krispy Kremes

Hi

Newbie here. Not a low-carber, but one with some ideas might help. Not
that we haven't thought of them all and abused them, at one time or
diet or other. : )

I found it was like smoking and not smoking. One has a cigarette while
doing certain things. Same with food. I've stopped eating while..(fill
in the blank).

I eat only at the table, set properly and beautifully: not at the
computer, not at the fridge, and not while reading or... . The only
time I allow myself to eat differently is in the park after my walk, or
at the library while doing research, or in a work site lunch room. Then
I take my lunch outside or into the lunch area.

I found this very hard to do at first. Gets easier with practise. I
also follow-up with Luna's suggestions. Fresh mouth, lipstick.
I'm so kewl...

Zee