Compressed Air Fillers for Tires - Help Request !!!!

Gunny Bunny said:

Hello,

I have heard there is a method of replacing tire tubes and
filling them quickly using a compressed air cartridge,
anyone have a link to some and any recommendations on
quality.

Don't know about replacing the tube, but if a C02 inflator
is what you're looking for, you can browse through epinions.combike Components AllOpen ↗
Pumps for some suggestions. One thing to keep in mind
though; Some of these gets *really* cold when you inflate a
tire, so make sure you wear gloves at least the first time
you use it.

/hall

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hall said:

Gunny Bunny said:

Hello,

I have heard there is a method of replacing tire tubes
and filling them quickly using a compressed air
cartridge, anyone have a link to some and any
recommendations on quality.

Don't know about replacing the tube, but if a C02 inflator
is what you're looking for, you can browse through epinions.combike Components AllOpen ↗
Pumps for some suggestions. One thing to keep in mind
though; Some of these gets *really* cold when you inflate
a tire, so make sure you wear gloves at least the first
time you use it.

I have a Superflate, which contains the cartridge in a
plastic case, so the cold isn't a problem. It works great.
Performance has a whole slew of them here:

performancebike.comsubcategory.cfmOpen ↗
_ID=18&Sub_ID=4362

But what if you get more flats than you have cartridges?
Plus, every time you get a flat it costs you an extra buck.

Matt O.

"Matt O'Toole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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hall said:

Gunny Bunny said:

Hello,

I have heard there is a method of replacing tire tubes
and filling them quickly using a compressed air
cartridge, anyone have a link to some and any
recommendations on quality.

Don't know about replacing the tube, but if a C02
inflator is what you're looking for, you can browse
through epinions.combike Components AllOpen ↗
Pumps for some suggestions. One thing to keep in mind
though; Some of these gets *really* cold when you
inflate a tire, so make sure you wear gloves at least
the first time you use it.

I have a Superflate, which contains the cartridge in a
plastic case, so

the cold

Quoted message said:

isn't a problem. It works great. Performance has a whole
slew of them

here:

Quoted message said:

performancebike.comsubcategory.cfmOpen ↗
18&Sub_ID=4362

Quoted message said:

But what if you get more flats than you have cartridges?
Plus, every time

you

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get a flat it costs you an extra buck.

Matt O.

I have a portable pump, but CO2 would be faster when with
fellow riders !

"Gunny Bunny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Hello,

I have heard there is a method of replacing tire tubes and
filling them quickly using a compressed air cartridge,
anyone have a link to some and any recommendations on
quality.

In addition, I currently have the standard folding Allan
Key set in my saddle post bag, it looks like there might
be some better quality one's available with more
features....recommendations 🙂

Thank you

Hi, on the tire inflators, any made by Innovations are ok.
Be sure to get one that allows you to use both threaded and
unthreaded cartridges. The cartridges are cheaper, if you
buy them boxed for use with paint or pellet guns. Here is
the type I carry in a bag, on both my bikes:
cambriabike.cominnovations ultraflate ih.htmOpen ↗

For a compact multi- tool, I like the Crank Bros Micra-17,
see link: cambriabike.comcrank brothers micraOpen ↗
17_multi-Tool.htm

It has all the hex key sizes that I seem to need, screw
drivers, spoke wrenches, and a chain tool. It is well made
and very light.

Life is Good! Jeff

Matt O'Toole said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I have heard there is a method of replacing tire tubes
and filling them quickly using a compressed air
cartridge, anyone have a link to some and any
recommendations on quality.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Don't know about replacing the tube, but if a C02
inflator is what you're looking for, you can browse
through

epinions.combike Components All PumpsOpen ↗

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

for some suggestions. One thing to keep in mind though;
Some of these gets *really* cold when you inflate a tire,
so make sure you wear gloves at least the first time you
use it.

Quoted message said:

I have a Superflate, which contains the cartridge in a
plastic case, so the cold isn't a problem. It works great.
Performance has a whole slew of them here:

performancebike.comsubcategory.cfmOpen ↗
18&Sub_ID=4362

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But what if you get more flats than you have
cartridges? Plus, every time you get a flat it costs
you an extra buck.

Hey! If you can't afford it, get outta here! Haven't you
noticed, money is no problem, or at least we don't mention
it. My bicycling is more important than a few measly bucks.
What's yours?

Of course there are practical reasons beyond cost that make
CO2 cartridges a bad choice. I see the little bullets along
the road where there is puncture vine in the summer... way
out there on Mines Rd. beyond Mt Hamilton, where there is
nothing, not even a useful cell phone signal.

mthamilton.ucolick.orghamcamOpen ↗

Jobst Brandt [email hidden]

(Jeff Starr) said:

"Gunny Bunny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Hello,

I have heard there is a method of replacing tire tubes
and filling them quickly using a compressed air
cartridge, anyone have a link to some and any
recommendations on quality.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Thank you

Hi, on the tire inflators, any made by Innovations are ok.
Be sure to get one that allows you to use both threaded and
unthreaded cartridges. The cartridges are cheaper, if you
buy them boxed for use with paint or pellet guns. Here is
the type I carry in a bag, on both my bikes:
cambriabike.cominnovations ultraflate ih.htmOpen ↗

For a compact multi- tool, I like the Crank Bros Micra-17,
see link: cambriabike.comcrank brothers micraOpen ↗
17_multi-Tool.htm

It has all the hex key sizes that I seem to need, screw
drivers, spoke wrenches, and a chain tool. It is well made
and very light.

Life is Good! Jeff

One in our group had a flat at the 25 mile point today and
much fussing was done with our small hand pumps, including
mine, and then the tire was finally topped off with co2
which took 2 secs....I had never considered it before but I
may go to CO2 also... Bob

Quoted message said:

Matt O'Toole writes:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

But what if you get more flats than you have
cartridges? Plus, every time you get a flat it costs
you an extra buck.

Hey! If you can't afford it, get outta here! Haven't you
noticed, money is no problem, or at least we don't mention
it. My bicycling is more important than a few measly
bucks. What's yours?

Of course there are practical reasons beyond cost that
make CO2 cartridges a bad choice. I see the little
bullets along the road where there is puncture vine in
the summer... way out there on Mines Rd. beyond Mt
Hamilton, where there is nothing, not even a useful cell
phone signal.

mthamilton.ucolick.orghamcamOpen ↗

Very pretty country! I miss California, but my part has been
almost completely paved over. Nothing left to miss...

Littering on road and trail really bugs me. I see it more
often on the road -- CO2 cartridges and tubes, and energy
bar wrappers. There's no excuse for this. If you carried it
out there, you can carry it back.

In the old days of mountain bike racing, a self-contained,
carry-in, carry-out rule was the norm. Seeing racers
finishing on bare rims, with tires and tubes slung over a
shoulder, reinforced the no-litter philosophy. Sadly, this
has given way to "dirt criterium" style racing, with support
crews and a throwaway attitude, racers being too important
to deal with such trivial nonsense as not littering.

Matt O.

Bob Broeking said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I have heard there is a method of replacing tire tubes
and filling them quickly using a compressed air
cartridge, anyone have a link to some and any
recommendations on quality.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Hi, on the tire inflators, any made by Innovations are
OK. Be sure to get one that allows you to use both
threaded and unthreaded cartridges. The cartridges are
cheaper, if you buy them boxed for use with paint or
pellet guns. Here is the type I carry in a bag, on both
my bikes:

cambriabike.cominnovations ultraflate ih.htmOpen ↗

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

For a compact multi- tool, I like the Crank Bros Micra-
17, see link:

cambriabike.comcrank brothers micraOpen ↗
17_multi-Tool.htm

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

It has all the hex key sizes that I seem to need, screw
drivers, spoke wrenches, and a chain tool. It is well
made and very light.

I can say the same for the now extinct Ritchey CPR-9 whose
main feature is a chain tool.

Quoted message said:

One in our group had a flat at the 25 mile point today and
much fussing was done with our small hand pumps, including
mine, and then the tire was finally topped off with CO2
which took 2 secs....I had never considered it before but
I may go to CO2 also...

That speaks mainly of the poor pumps that are offered these
days and these speak for the miserable physical condition of
many bicyclists who are neither able to stop a bicycle with
4:1 ratio brakes ala Campagnolo Record single pivot nor to
pump a tire with a Silca Impero frame fit pump. That has
brought us a slew of nearly useless mini-pumps with pistons
with 1/4 the area of a Silca that 4x easier to pump except
that they have no stroke either.

In the past many decades of bicycling I have pumped my tires
often with a Silca Impero pump and on occasion other's on
the road for their lack of a usable pump other than some
Cuban cigar sized device. Part of a day's exercise in the
days of tubulars with latex tubes was the ritual of daily
pumping from 60psi to 100psi with a Silca Impero. It is what
moved me to design the concentric two stage pump that can
fill a tire in ten strokes. The drawings of which have been
offered to any machinist interested in building a fine piece
of useful machinery.

Get a frame fit pump that works, but first develop
some biceps.

Jobst Brandt [email hidden]

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Bob Broeking said:

Quoted message said:

> I have heard there is a method of replacing tire tubes
> and filling them quickly using a compressed air
> cartridge, anyone have a link to some and any
> recommendations on quality.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Hi, on the tire inflators, any made by Innovations are
OK. Be sure to get one that allows you to use both
threaded and unthreaded cartridges. The cartridges are
cheaper, if you buy them boxed for use with paint or
pellet guns. Here is the type I carry in a bag, on both
my bikes:

cambriabike.cominnovations ultraflate ih.htmOpen ↗

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

For a compact multi- tool, I like the Crank Bros Micra-
17, see link:

cambriabike.comcrank brothers micraOpen ↗
17_multi-Tool.htm

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

It has all the hex key sizes that I seem to need, screw
drivers, spoke wrenches, and a chain tool. It is well
made and very light.

I can say the same for the now extinct Ritchey CPR-9 whose
main feature is a chain tool.

Your hands must be strong or mine weak. I have a CPR-9, but
after trying to fix a chain with it I ditched it for a
small Park chain tool. It took too much effort to turn the
handle. The handle is too short, and so is the tool itself,
to get any leverage. It worked, but it was a pain. I also
like the Park's second fin for loosening tight links. Sure,
you can flex the chain back and forth, but a chain tool
with this feature is so much easier. The CPR-9 is
minimalism gone amok.

Newer chains have very securely peened pins, which take a
lot more effort to drive out. If you're using an older-type
chain, a tool like the Ritchey is probably fine.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

One in our group had a flat at the 25 mile point today
and much fussing was done with our small hand pumps,
including mine, and then the tire was finally topped off
with CO2 which took 2 secs....I had never considered it
before but I may go to CO2 also...

That speaks mainly of the poor pumps that are offered
these days and these speak for the miserable physical
condition of many bicyclists who are neither able to stop
a bicycle with 4:1 ratio brakes ala Campagnolo Record
single pivot nor to pump a tire with a Silca Impero frame
fit pump. That has brought us a slew of nearly useless mini-
pumps with pistons with 1/4 the area of a Silca that 4x
easier to pump except that they have no stroke either.

In the past many decades of bicycling I have pumped my
tires often with a Silca Impero pump and on occasion
other's on the road for their lack of a usable pump other
than some Cuban cigar sized device. Part of a day's
exercise in the days of tubulars with latex tubes was the
ritual of daily pumping from 60psi to 100psi with a Silca
Impero. It is what moved me to design the concentric two
stage pump that can fill a tire in ten strokes. The
drawings of which have been offered to any machinist
interested in building a fine piece of useful machinery.

Get a frame fit pump that works, but first develop
some biceps.

Good pumps are available, but there are too many lousy
ones. How some of these companies can take people's money
for the [censored] they sell is beyond me. I recommend a Zefal
HPX, if it fits on your bike. Don't "go CO2" if you can
carry a good pump.

Matt O.

Matt O'Toole said:

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Quoted message said:

> For a compact multi- tool, I like the Crank Bros Micra-
> 17, see link:

cambriabike.comcrank brothers micraOpen ↗
17_multi-Tool.htm

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> It has all the hex key sizes that I seem to need, screw
> drivers, spoke wrenches, and a chain tool. It is well
> made and very light.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I can say the same for the now extinct Ritchey CPR-9
whose main feature is a chain tool.

Quoted message said:

Your hands must be strong or mine weak. I have a CPR-9,
but after trying to fix a chain with it I ditched it for a
small Park chain tool. It took too much effort to turn the
handle. The handle is too short, and so is the tool
itself, to get any leverage. It worked, but it was a pain.
I also like the Park's second fin for loosening tight
links. Sure, you can flex the chain back and forth, but a
chain tool with this feature is so much easier. The CPR-9
is minimalism gone amok.

That seems to be a common experience but before taking it on
the road, the chain tool thread should be lubricated. I gave
it a dab of 90w gear lube and turned it all the way in and
back out. It saved my day when I was on Gazos Creek (Big
Basin State Park, closed to motor traffic) road and got a
derailleur stick in the chain. By removing a section of
chain, I could ride with that fixed length in 50-15 and 46-
21 gears (vertical dropouts), just fine to get home from
Pescadero, a local coastal community. The derailleur was
fatally busticated.

Quoted message said:

Newer chains have very securely peened pins, which take a
lot more effort to drive out. If you're using an older-
type chain, a tool like the Ritchey is probably fine.

I don't ride that stuff for good reasons. Who needs 30
gears?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

One in our group had a flat at the 25 mile point today
and much fussing was done with our small hand pumps,
including mine, and then the tire was finally topped off
with CO2 which took 2 secs....I had never considered it
before but I may go to CO2 also...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

That speaks mainly of the poor pumps that are offered
these days and these speak for the miserable physical
condition of many bicyclists who are neither able to stop
a bicycle with 4:1 ratio brakes ala Campagnolo Record
single pivot nor to pump a tire with a Silca Impero frame
fit pump. That has brought us a slew of nearly useless
mini-pumps with pistons with 1/4 the area of a Silca that
are 4x easier to pump except that they have no stroke
either.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

In the past many decades of bicycling I have pumped my
tires often with a Silca Impero pump and on occasion
other's on the road for their lack of a usable pump other
than some Cuban cigar sized device. Part of a day's
exercise in the days of tubulars with latex tubes was the
ritual of daily pumping from 60psi to 100psi with a Silca
Impero. That is what moved me to design the concentric
two stage pump that can fill a tire in ten strokes. The
drawings of this pump have been offered to any machinist
interested in building a fine piece of useful machinery.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Get a frame fit pump that works, but first develop some
biceps.

Quoted message said:

Good pumps are available, but there are too many lousy
ones. How some of these companies can take people's money
for the [censored] they sell is beyond me. I recommend a Zefal
HPX, if it fits on your bike. Don't "go CO2" if you can
carry a good pump.

They can sell these pumps because people don't use them, so
they never know what junk they are carrying. They rely on
their cell phones or someone else to come along and pump. I
have pumped enough of them.

Jobst Brandt [email hidden]

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That seems to be a common experience but before taking it
on the road, the chain tool thread should be lubricated. I
gave it a dab of 90w gear lube and turned it all the way
in and back out.

I oiled mine too, but it didn't help enough. It works OK
with a PC-48 chain, but the latest generation are really
peened good.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Newer chains have very securely peened pins, which take a
lot more effort to drive out. If you're using an older-
type chain, a tool like the Ritchey is probably fine.

I don't ride that stuff for good reasons. Who needs
30 gears?

Me?

However, I appreciate your desire for simplicity,
reliability, and field-repairability.

Matt O.

Bob said:

One in our group had a flat at the 25 mile point today and
much fussing was done with our small hand pumps, including
mine, and then the tire was finally topped off with co2
which took 2 secs....I had never considered it before but I
may go to CO2 also... Bob

Or you could get an HPX - no need for "much fussing" with
one.
--
David Damerell <[email hidden]>
Distortion Field!

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Matt O'Toole said:

But what if you get more flats than you have
cartridges? Plus,

A CO2 inflator _and_ a pump are complementary items. A combo
like the Innovations Slim Jim IH or their Second Wind is
reasonable if you intend to rely solely on CO2 with a pump
only for emergencies. Otherwise, a quality frame-fit pump
can accompany any good CO2 inflator.

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every time you get a flat it costs you an extra buck.

Yikes! You're spending $1 per cartridge? That's a lot! Even
if you only want to buy a few at a time, that's too much. A
quick froogle search reveals a 15-pack of 12 gram cartridges
for $9, or a 25-pack for $16.

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Hey! If you can't afford it, get outta here! Haven't you
noticed, money is no problem, or at least we don't mention
it. My bicycling is more important than a few measly bucks.
What's yours?

For those willing to blow a half a dollar for each flat
tire, it's nice to spend less time pumping and more
time riding.

Quoted message said:

Of course there are practical reasons beyond cost that make
CO2 cartridges a bad choice. I see the little bullets along
the road where there is puncture vine in the summer... way
out there on Mines

Assuming you're talking about CO2 cartridge litter, how's
that any different from leaving a dead tube or a power bar
wrapper? Only jerks litter; the rest of us pack the garbage
where it belongs.
--
Rick Onanian

Jobst said:

Quoted message said:

I can say the same for the now extinct Ritchey CPR-9
whose main feature is a chain tool.

Matt O'Toole said:

Your hands must be strong or mine weak. I have a CPR-9,
but after trying to fix a chain with it I ditched it for
a small Park chain tool. It took too much effort to turn
the handle.

I have a couple inexpensive mini-tools that include a chain
tool, and the chain tool is operated [quite easily] by an
allen wrench.
--
Rick Onanian

"Gunny Bunny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Hello,

I have heard there is a method of replacing tire tubes and
filling them quickly using a compressed air cartridge,
anyone have a link to some and any recommendations on
quality.

if you're not careful about replacing the tube & tire,
the rapid inflation can cause bead seating problems. the
slower inflation rate of a hand pump can be an advantage.
i'd bring an Superflate on long rides but always rode w/
a HPX. i didn't want to screw around w/ a flat at the end
of long ride. also, i think the tube leaks CO faster then
air. after using a CO, i have to top off the tire the
next day. is this scientifically true? false?

Quoted message said:

In addition, I currently have the standard folding Allan
Key set in my saddle post bag, it looks like there might
be some better quality one's available with more
features....recommendations 🙂

the only mini-tool i found to be worthy of carrying is
the "Cool-Tool". most have stuff you can't use because it
won't fit in the nooks & crannies. the only folding Allen
key type i'll bring is Cannondale's. i'm careful about
what i install, sometimes changing the nuts & bolts that
came w/ it so i could deal w/ it on the road.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I can say the same for the now extinct Ritchey CPR-9
whose main feature is a chain tool.

Your hands must be strong or mine weak. I have a CPR-9,
but after trying to fix a chain with it I ditched it for a
small Park chain tool. It took too much effort to turn the
handle. The handle is too short, and so is the tool
itself, to get any leverage. It worked, but it was a pain.
I also like the Park's second fin for loosening tight
links. Sure, you can flex the chain back and forth, but a
chain tool with this feature is so much easier. The CPR-9
is minimalism gone amok.

while i agree the CPR-9 is [censored]:
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