Composite Bead (i.e. folding tire) vs Wire Bead?

"(Pete Cresswell)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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Besides foldability and, I'd guess, weight, is there any advantage to

wireless

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tires?
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PeteCresswell

Nah. Not really. In fact, as much as I like kevlar beads, they're probably aren't really worth the
$$$. The weight difference is really rather small and folding really isn't a big deal for me. For
some reason, I do prefer them though! Go figure.

Cheers,

Scott..

S. Anderson said:

"(Pete Cresswell)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Besides foldability and, I'd guess, weight, is there any advantage to

wireless

Quoted message said:

Nah. Not really. In fact, as much as I like kevlar beads, they're probably aren't really worth the
$$$. The weight difference is really rather small and folding really isn't a big deal for me. For
some reason, I do prefer them though! Go figure.

I just got one, as a spare, from the T-town swap meet. A spare tire is a good thing to have on a
ride, as I found out that very same day. A friend I was riding with got this huge bulge in her tire.
My spare came to the rescue.

I don't think there is any advantage beyond that, and for the extra money it's not worth it.

--

David L. Johnson

__o | "What am I on? I'm on my bike, six hours a day, busting my ass. _`\(,_ | What are you on?"
--Lance Armstrong (_)/ (_) |

Pete-<< Besides foldability and, I'd guess, weight, is there any advantage to wireless tires?

Nope, I think like chains, casettes and helmets, people in general spend to much for tires. A mid
range wire bead, in the $20-$25 range will work just fine for the majority of cyclists.

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"David L. Johnson" wrote:>

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I just got one, as a spare, from the T-town swap meet. A spare tire is a good thing to have on a
ride, as I found out that very same day. A friend I was riding with got this huge bulge in her
tire. My spare came to the rescue.

I don't think there is any advantage beyond that, and for the extra money it's not worth it.

Agree. And the kevlar bead tires tend to be harder to mount, especially when new. I sometimes carry
an old kevlar bead tire as a spare.

Art Harris

Many of the quality tires only come in one version, with kevlar beads. So if you want a tire with
good quality casing you might not have a choice.

Size matters. oops... Weight matters, as we all know, since we spend a lot to have a light bike.
Especially carring the bike up the stairs at the end of the ride. And folding tires save weight at
better then the $/gm cost/benefit rule.

-Bruce

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Pete-<< Besides foldability and, I'd guess, weight, is there any advantage to wireless tires?

Nope, I think like chains, casettes and helmets, people in general spend to much for tires. A mid
range wire bead, in the $20-$25 range will work just fine for the majority of cyclists.

Peter Chisholm Vecchio's Bicicletteria 1833 Pearl St. Boulder, CO, 80302
(303)440-3535 vecchios.comvecchios.comOpen ↗ "Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

There's definitely something to be said for a well ventilated helmet. Yes, obviously it's not going
to protect your head better (possibly not even as well if there are pointy things that might stab
ya!), but there was a big difference moving from a $30 helmet to a $130 helmet (bought for $70 on
closeout), and there was a difference between that $130 helmet and the $60 helmet bought to replace
it after it was stolen. And then the next $100 helmet, after I cracked the $60 one, was just as
expected. Its not going to make much difference when its 60 degrees F outside, but when I'm riding
in humid New England summer conditions, with the mercury reading above 90F, it sure does make a HUGE
difference. You know that old addage about putting on a hat if your toes are cold? It definitely
works - trust me, I'm a ski instructor. You lose a lot of heat through your head, so insulation up
there, whether a helmet or a winter hat, makes a big difference in overall body temperature.

Cassettes, unless you're going for an ultralight bike, don't really do too much. Maybe they shift a
teensy bit faster, but is that worth another $70? Not IME.

However, there is something to be said about light tires. Lighter tires can really make a big FEEL
lighter - plus, you've got that whole placebo effect going. And for those of us who can't lose that
pound or four off our bodies (I'm a beanpole, personally, with very very little body fat. Not that
I'm fit, 'cause I'm not, but its the way my body is), a few pounds off the bike can make a big
difference. Yeah, you're not gonna get that just in tires, but add up a lot of little weight savings
and you've got a sizable difference.

My hardtail started out at about 30 pounds, give or take. Now its down around 24. Besides having
better parts that shift better and are more reliable, it accelerates faster and is a lot easier to
"flick" around.

There are some spots where saving weight is stupid. Tires is one - wait, didn't I just say that
light tires are good? Well, yeah, but thats assuming the performance is up to par. I'd rather have a
650g knobbie that I know will stick to every corner and not slip out on steep climbs than some 450g
race tire that sheds knobs, has awful traction, wears super fast, and punctures easily. Forks, too -
yeah, you can get a 3lb suspension fork, or even lighter, but its gonna flex like a sideshow
contorsionist. Take a bit of a weight hit, and get a fork thats plusher, stiffer, and more reliable.

Sorry for the overblown reply, trying to avoid doing homework!

Jon Bond Tufts Cycling

Jonathan Bond said:

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Nope, I think like chains, casettes and helmets, people in general spend to much for tires. A
mid range wire bead, in the $20-$25 range will work just fine for the majority of cyclists.

There's definitely something to be said for a well ventilated helmet.... Lighter tires can really
make a big FEEL lighter - plus, you've got that whole placebo effect going...

Helmets - tires - placebo effect... I tell you, there's money to be made here!

Right now, people buy black spokes, green tires, carbon-fiber seat stays, and THIS year's foam hat,
and golly they get faster _and_ more comfortable with each item!

But that's an expensive way to get your placebo. I'm working on some spray-on placebo for bike gear.
Just spray your old 22-hole helmet, and it'll feel just as cool (and protect just as well) as a
multi-hundred-dollar 28-hole one! Spray it on tires to improve road feel! Spray it on your frame for
that unmatched, "firm yet supple" placebo ride!

Anybody want in on the IPO? ;-)

--
Frank Krygowski [email hidden]

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Pete-<< Besides foldability and, I'd guess, weight, is there any advantage to wireless tires?

Nope, I think like chains, casettes and helmets, people in general spend to much for tires. A mid
range wire bead, in the $20-$25 range will work just fine for the majority of cyclists.

As another poster has already said, some brands of folding-bead tyres can be absolute pigs to fit
when new (never had this problem with Vredestein Fortezza Tri-Comps, but some Michelins, on the
other hand, tend to be very stubborn). There's a slight weight advantage to be had, mind, and the
foldability is nice if buying mail order(!!), but steel-bead tyres have their merits too. The
wire-beaded Hutchinson Pro Gold (which has now finally gone over to folding format, I will admit) is
a very popular, and good quality, cyclo-cross tyre, for instance.

David E. Belcher

Dept. of Chemistry, University of York

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Pete-<< Besides foldability and, I'd guess, weight, is there any advantage

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wireless tires?

Nope, I think like chains, casettes and helmets, people in general spend

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much for tires. A mid range wire bead, in the $20-$25 range will work just

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for the majority of cyclists.

The "evil empire" of bikes: Performance is having a sale on some Michelin Prestige tires that
wear like iron, ride OK, and don't weigh a ton. They happen to be folding, but I buy them for
the qualities listed above and their low price. I've always wondered about people training on
"race" tires...

I think $50-60/per tire that wears out in 500-750mi is a little excessive (eg: GP Supersonics) for
training, but hey, if someone wants it, who am I to stand in their way? I'll keep running my
Prestige tires for 3-4 of their lightweight tires and still outride them!

Mike