Commuter food use

"Coyoteboy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I was just discussing this with some drivers who were asking why I ride to
work, after a few discussions on 'tinternet about it.

For an example on public transport local to me - my daily commute:

Car ~1.25 hours door to door, £7 in fuel. Comfy, warm, keeps me busy,
smells nice, relaxing, enjoyable.

"enjoyable" - for an 15mph or so average speed drive? Personally I can't
stand sitting in queues/slow traffic.

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Train - £5.85 - 1hr including the 10 minutes hot sweaty walk either end,
sitting cramped or standing for 40 minutes, and ill twice as frequently.
If train late or full, add 30 minutes to journey waiting for next. Trains
late once every 2 weeks meaning I HAVE to get a train earlier than i would
need normally to be sure of getting in.

Bike - 60 minutes pedaling, hot and sweaty, 10 mins either end for a
shower. Cost - £5 extra per day in human-fuel (about 2000 calories burned
extra per day).

How many people eat significantly more while commuting to maintain weight?
Eating a healthy 2000 calories per day is hard and expensive and not
something most people consider when thinking about riding to work. Its not
something I'd thought about until I actually did it.

I wouldn't suggest eating a healthy 2000 calories a day was hard and
expensive. The latter depends on what you eat (foie gras?), the former is
definitely off the mark - if it's not fun, you're not doing it right! Eating
is pleasurable, that's why so many people do too much of it. If you have an
excuse to eat more, you're winning, not losing.

The other thing is you don't have to live off organic lentils and wholemeal
lettuce to maintain a healthy diet either - you're actually allowed to eat
some of the foods with a higher energy density too (mmm, cake...)

cheers,
clive

On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 19:19:11 +0100

Coyoteboy said:

Bike - 60 minutes pedaling, hot and sweaty, 10 mins either end for a
shower. Cost - £5 extra per day in human-fuel (about 2000 calories
burned extra per day).

So if you weren't riding, would you really eat that much less?
I'm kind-of the opposite: with sufficient riding, the body tells
me how much is healthy, rather than the couch potato comfort-eating.

And a fiver a day implies expensive food. Nothing ordinary like
pasta for you, I take it?

Quoted message said:

How many people eat significantly more while commuting to maintain
weight? Eating a healthy 2000 calories per day is hard and expensive
and not something most people consider when thinking about riding to
work. Its not something I'd thought about until I actually did it.

As recently as four years ago I was eating on well under a fiver a
week (out of necessity: I had no money). And cycling plenty.
It's at times like that one gets to appreciate the way Tescos have
driven prices down.

--
not me guv

Coyoteboy <[email hidden]>typed

Quoted message said:

I was just discussing this with some drivers who were asking why I ride
to work, after a few discussions on 'tinternet about it.

Quoted message said:

For an example on public transport local to me - my daily commute:

Quoted message said:

Car ~1.25 hours door to door, £7 in fuel. Comfy, warm, keeps me busy,
smells nice, relaxing, enjoyable.

Quoted message said:

Train - £5.85 - 1hr including the 10 minutes hot sweaty walk either end,
sitting cramped or standing for 40 minutes, and ill twice as frequently.
If train late or full, add 30 minutes to journey waiting for next.
Trains late once every 2 weeks meaning I HAVE to get a train earlier
than i would need normally to be sure of getting in.

Quoted message said:

Bike - 60 minutes pedaling, hot and sweaty, 10 mins either end for a
shower. Cost - £5 extra per day in human-fuel (about 2000 calories
burned extra per day).

Quoted message said:

How many people eat significantly more while commuting to maintain
weight? Eating a healthy 2000 calories per day is hard and expensive and
not something most people consider when thinking about riding to work.
Its not something I'd thought about until I actually did it.

You need to have all the healthy stuff as part of your daily diet anyway
(protein, vitamins, minerals. fibre etc; your requirements for these do
not increase much if you exercise heavily. If your extra food has too
much fibre, for example, you may need the loo too much).

I doubt you need as much as 2000 extra Calories for the commute you
describe. Half that seems nearer the mark. Anyway, the extra you eat
should IMO/IME be 'fuel' type foods. These are mostly so cheap their
cost is hardly worth counting. An extra 100 grams of porridge oats, a
few slices of bread with butter & jam, a bit of sugar etc hardly add up
to 50p.

I speak as someone who did around 120 miles' commuting per week and
stayed just as fat as ever. Poor performance during times of attempted
weight loss deterred me from dieting.

--
Helen D. Vecht: [email hidden]
Edgware.

"Clive George" <[email hidden]>typed

Quoted message said:

The other thing is you don't have to live off organic lentils and wholemeal
lettuce to maintain a healthy diet either - you're actually allowed to eat
some of the foods with a higher energy density too (mmm, cake...)

MMM...CAKE!

Nothing fuelled my (usually Friday) morning commutes better than having
had afternoon tea with my (late) grandmother the previous day (usually
Thursday). I was almost always faster on a Friday than any other day.

Of course, I never _paid_ for the cake... ;-)

--
Helen D. Vecht: [email hidden]
Edgware.

Helen Deborah Vecht said:

You need to have all the healthy stuff as part of your daily diet anyway
(protein, vitamins, minerals. fibre etc; your requirements for these do
not increase much if you exercise heavily. If your extra food has too
much fibre, for example, you may need the loo too much).

Im fine with my healthy food, but i have to eat so often when I cycle
that its difficult to find things that are quick and not just cake
(clive knows where im coming from!). Local to me at work are a micro-
Tesco, Greggs bakers and Spa. Anything remotely healthy in tesco is
either horribly cheap quality and tastes like card, or costs a small
fortune (£3 for half a portion of sushi and salad anyone?). Greggs is
either cardboard overpriced sandwiches or lovely steak bakes and cakes
- not ideal daily. Spa - multiply the cost of anything by 1.5 and cut
the choice by 75%.

Quoted message said:

I doubt you need as much as 2000 extra Calories for the commute you
describe.

18 miles at an average of 18 miles per hour, both the heart rate
monitor calorie counter and the stomach average the estimate at
somewhere between 1600 and 2000 calories per day. I and my riding
friend have been tracking it for 4 months.

Quoted message said:

Half that seems nearer the mark. Anyway, the extra you eat
should IMO/IME be 'fuel' type foods. These are mostly so cheap their
cost is hardly worth counting. An extra 100 grams of porridge oats, a
few slices of bread with butter & jam, a bit of sugar etc hardly add up
to 50p.

But that doesnt work - sure your extra bunch of porridge might help a
little, if you can force it down in the morning (I can barely eat in
the morning,it knocks me sick) and butter/jam and sugar is not good
fuel food - thats the sort of food that makes me feel better for an
hour then hits me with a headache. I tend to cook two evening meals
(usually rice or pasta) and take the second for lunch, but I'm still
hungry and lose weight doing this.

Quoted message said:

I speak as someone who did around 120 miles' commuting per week and
stayed just as fat as ever. Poor performance during times of attempted
weight loss deterred me from dieting.

Im not sure how fast you do it but I cant fail to lose weight when
doing 120 miles a week, even eating two main meals a day. I do treat
is as a training ride though, I am pushing at 80% max heart rate
pretty much the entire journey. I'm happy as it makes me fit, but it
certainly doesnt cost less than driving/train-ing.

Clive George said:

I wouldn't suggest eating a healthy 2000 calories a day was hard and
expensive. The latter depends on what you eat (foie gras?), the former is
definitely off the mark - if it's not fun, you're not doing it right! Eating
is pleasurable, that's why so many people do too much of it. If you have an
excuse to eat more, you're winning, not losing.

Its OK if you have healthy food at hand, its not an option for me to
go hunting for food at lunch - I either take it (usually take a second
evening meal in a box) or I eat horrible cack from the local shops.
(note horrible could be bad for you but tasty)

Quoted message said:

The other thing is you don't have to live off organic lentils and wholemeal
lettuce to maintain a healthy diet either - you're actually allowed to eat
some of the foods with a higher energy density too (mmm, cake...)

I know, but most of these have high fat contents, and this isnt ideal
even if you are using them - despite what a lot of people think,
exercise doesnt offset the effect of saturated fat consumption on the
arteries!

Clive George said:

"Coyoteboy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

Quoted message said:

For an example on public transport local to me - my daily commute:

Quoted message said:

Car ~1.25 hours door to door, £7 in fuel. Comfy, warm, keeps me busy,
smells nice, relaxing, enjoyable.

For me, car takes 21 minutes. Varies very little, fuel cost around £2.
Boring. For various reasons I had to do more car commuting earlier in
the year, I feel very relieved that at the moment I can do nearly all
my journeys by bike.

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Train

Not an option for me, local station closed years ago. Bus: £5 + 15
minute walk. Only an option if I am sure I can leave in time for the
last bus, which I can't always.

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Bike - 60 minutes pedaling, hot and sweaty, 10 mins either end for a
shower.

31 minutes pedaling in, flat/downhill so not too sweaty. 45 minutes
home because of big hill, much hotter. Shower part of normal routine.

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Cost - £5 extra per day in human-fuel (about 2000 calories burned
extra per day).

Maybe around 1250 extra calories for me. Porridge with dried apricots
fuels me for the journey in, hardly expensive. I just eat a little
more in the evening to make up any deficit, not really aware of any
extra cost. (Actually, some of my calorie shortfall is probably made
up by a beer in the pub - I don't regard these calories as a cost of
cycling, cycling means I can enjoy this simple pleasure with no weight
consequences.)

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

How many people eat significantly more while commuting to maintain weight?
Eating a healthy 2000 calories per day is hard and expensive and not
something most people consider when thinking about riding to work. Its not
something I'd thought about until I actually did it.

I wouldn't suggest eating a healthy 2000 calories a day was hard and
expensive.

I agree. If you eat healthily for your basic needs before adding the
cycling - enough fibre, vitamins, fruit and veg. etc - I should think
you could eat _almost_ anything for your extra 2,000 calories without
any negative effects. Some things would be bad such as lots of salt,
and you need a balance of simple/complex carbs. that doesn't give you
sugar highs and lows, but beyond that, eat what you want. I routinely
have a flapjack on cycling days and see that as perfectly healthy in
the context of my overall diet and energy expenditure.

Rob

"Helen Deborah Vecht" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Coyoteboy <[email hidden]>typed

I speak as someone who did around 120 miles' commuting per week and
stayed just as fat as ever. Poor performance during times of attempted
weight loss deterred me from dieting.

Hurrah, at last! An endorsement for static porkiness (TM) from a medic :-)

CoyoteBoy <[email hidden]>typed

Quoted message said:

Clive George said:

I wouldn't suggest eating a healthy 2000 calories a day was hard and
expensive. The latter depends on what you eat (foie gras?), the former is
definitely off the mark - if it's not fun, you're not doing it
right! Eating
is pleasurable, that's why so many people do too much of it. If you
have an
excuse to eat more, you're winning, not losing.

Quoted message said:

Its OK if you have healthy food at hand, its not an option for me to
go hunting for food at lunch - I either take it (usually take a second
evening meal in a box) or I eat horrible cack from the local shops.
(note horrible could be bad for you but tasty)

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The other thing is you don't have to live off organic lentils and
wholemeal
lettuce to maintain a healthy diet either - you're actually allowed to eat
some of the foods with a higher energy density too (mmm, cake...)

Quoted message said:

I know, but most of these have high fat contents, and this isnt ideal
even if you are using them - despite what a lot of people think,
exercise doesnt offset the effect of saturated fat consumption on the
arteries!

I don't think there was much saturated fat in the honey cake that
fuelled me. AFAIK it was made with liquid vegetable oil...

--
Helen D. Vecht: [email hidden]
Edgware.

CoyoteBoy <[email hidden]>typed

Quoted message said:

Im fine with my healthy food, but i have to eat so often when I cycle
that its difficult to find things that are quick and not just cake
(clive knows where im coming from!). Local to me at work are a micro-
Tesco, Greggs bakers and Spa. Anything remotely healthy in tesco is
either horribly cheap quality and tastes like card, or costs a small
fortune (£3 for half a portion of sushi and salad anyone?). Greggs is
either cardboard overpriced sandwiches or lovely steak bakes and cakes
- not ideal daily. Spa - multiply the cost of anything by 1.5 and cut
the choice by 75%.

Sainsbury's potato cakes powered me through some Audaxes. Cheap,
pannier-proof but a bit salty.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I doubt you need as much as 2000 extra Calories for the commute you
describe.

Quoted message said:

18 miles at an average of 18 miles per hour, both the heart rate
monitor calorie counter and the stomach average the estimate at
somewhere between 1600 and 2000 calories per day. I and my riding
friend have been tracking it for 4 months.

I was doing 15-16 miles at 17-18mph...

Quoted message said:

But that doesnt work - sure your extra bunch of porridge might help a
little, if you can force it down in the morning (I can barely eat in
the morning,it knocks me sick)

That's where we differ. I could eat in the morning and had a second
breakfast on arrival before work.

Quoted message said:

and butter/jam and sugar is not good
fuel food - thats the sort of food that makes me feel better for an
hour then hits me with a headache.

Again, not a problem I had.

Quoted message said:

I tend to cook two evening meals
(usually rice or pasta) and take the second for lunch, but I'm still
hungry and lose weight doing this.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I speak as someone who did around 120 miles' commuting per week and
stayed just as fat as ever. Poor performance during times of attempted
weight loss deterred me from dieting.

Quoted message said:

Im not sure how fast you do it but I cant fail to lose weight when
doing 120 miles a week, even eating two main meals a day. I do treat
is as a training ride though, I am pushing at 80% max heart rate
pretty much the entire journey. I'm happy as it makes me fit, but it
certainly doesnt cost less than driving/train-ing.

I probably pushed more than 80% on some rides (HR 170 most of the way...)

I ate many 'wrong' foods and enjoyed them. I dropped my commuting milage
when doing a lot of Audax, so usually didn't exceed 250 miles/week.

I'd eat a bowl of cereal before setting off and another on arrival,
Large portions of normal foods at lunch and supper and cake at teatime.

--
Helen D. Vecht: [email hidden]
Edgware.

"Coyoteboy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I was just discussing this with some drivers who were asking why I ride to
work, after a few discussions on 'tinternet about it.

For an example on public transport local to me - my daily commute:

Car ~1.25 hours door to door, £7 in fuel. Comfy, warm, keeps me busy,
smells nice, relaxing, enjoyable.

Get a smaller car. I can do 36 miles for under a fiver in my Micra....

Quoted message said:

Train - £5.85 - 1hr including the 10 minutes hot sweaty walk either end,
sitting cramped or standing for 40 minutes, and ill twice as frequently.
If train late or full, add 30 minutes to journey waiting for next. Trains
late once every 2 weeks meaning I HAVE to get a train earlier than i would
need normally to be sure of getting in.

Get the earlier train and have a relaxing 30-40 minute stroll.....

Quoted message said:

Bike - 60 minutes pedaling, hot and sweaty, 10 mins either end for a
shower. Cost - £5 extra per day in human-fuel (about 2000 calories burned
extra per day).

Examines an Asda malt loaf.....approx 500 calories @29p per loaf = £1.16 oh
and no fats....

Or.....porridge oats, milk and a soupcon of sugar kicks in at a lower
pence/kcal

Quoted message said:

How many people eat significantly more while commuting to maintain weight?
Eating a healthy 2000 calories per day is hard and expensive and not
something most people consider when thinking about riding to work. Its not
something I'd thought about until I actually did it.

I don't eat significntly more when doing a 100km Audax. I think that your
estimate of 2000 calories is a tad generous for an hour's ride. I budget
for a max 600 calories when Audaxing but I'm probably very much heavier than
you and cycle at just over two thirds of your pace. An aforementioned malt
loaf, a brace of bananas and a bottle of chocolate milkshake on top of a
porridge breakfast and part of a bag of jelly babies nibbled throughout the
ride sees me through the ride - still significantly below £2.50.....

I lost the grand total of 3 lbs when doing Land's End to John O'Groats for
the first time - two pints of beer nearly restored the balance :-)

On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 12:29:45 -0700, CoyoteBoy <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I doubt you need as much as 2000 extra Calories for the commute you
describe.

18 miles at an average of 18 miles per hour, both the heart rate
monitor calorie counter and the stomach average the estimate at
somewhere between 1600 and 2000 calories per day. I and my riding
friend have been tracking it for 4 months.

That sounds rather a lot to me, too. What sort of terrain is your
commute - very hilly?

CoyoteBoy said:

Helen Deborah Vecht said:

You need to have all the healthy stuff as part of your daily diet
anyway (protein, vitamins, minerals. fibre etc; your requirements
for these do not increase much if you exercise heavily. If your
extra food has too much fibre, for example, you may need the loo
too much).

Im fine with my healthy food, but i have to eat so often when I cycle
that its difficult to find things that are quick and not just cake
(clive knows where im coming from!). Local to me at work are a micro-
Tesco, Greggs bakers and Spa. Anything remotely healthy in tesco is
either horribly cheap quality and tastes like card, or costs a small
fortune (£3 for half a portion of sushi and salad anyone?). Greggs is
either cardboard overpriced sandwiches or lovely steak bakes and cakes
- not ideal daily. Spa - multiply the cost of anything by 1.5 and cut
the choice by 75%.

Quoted message said:

I doubt you need as much as 2000 extra Calories for the commute you
describe.

18 miles at an average of 18 miles per hour, both the heart rate
monitor calorie counter and the stomach average the estimate at
somewhere between 1600 and 2000 calories per day. I and my riding
friend have been tracking it for 4 months.

Quoted message said:

Half that seems nearer the mark. Anyway, the extra you eat
should IMO/IME be 'fuel' type foods. These are mostly so cheap their
cost is hardly worth counting. An extra 100 grams of porridge oats,
a few slices of bread with butter & jam, a bit of sugar etc hardly
add up to 50p.

But that doesnt work - sure your extra bunch of porridge might help a
little, if you can force it down in the morning (I can barely eat in
the morning,it knocks me sick) and butter/jam and sugar is not good
fuel food - thats the sort of food that makes me feel better for an
hour then hits me with a headache. I tend to cook two evening meals
(usually rice or pasta) and take the second for lunch, but I'm still
hungry and lose weight doing this.

Quoted message said:

I speak as someone who did around 120 miles' commuting per week and
stayed just as fat as ever. Poor performance during times of
attempted weight loss deterred me from dieting.

Im not sure how fast you do it but I cant fail to lose weight when
doing 120 miles a week, even eating two main meals a day. I do treat
is as a training ride though, I am pushing at 80% max heart rate
pretty much the entire journey. I'm happy as it makes me fit, but it
certainly doesnt cost less than driving/train-ing.

--
Mike
Van Tuyl titanium Dura ace 10
Fausto Coppi aluminium Ultegra 10
Raleigh Record sprint mongrel
Huissoon project bike (in bits, natch)

CoyoteBoy said:

18 miles at an average of 18 miles per hour, both the heart rate
monitor calorie counter and the stomach average the estimate at
somewhere between 1600 and 2000 calories per day. I and my riding
friend have been tracking it for 4 months.

Hmm, my last ride was 51kms at an average of 32km/h, average HR 88%
(154bpm) and I only used 1600 calories. Flat terrain, quite windy.

--
Mike
Van Tuyl titanium Dura ace 10
Fausto Coppi aluminium Ultegra 10
Raleigh Record sprint mongrel
Huissoon project bike (in bits, natch)

"CoyoteBoy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Clive George said:

I wouldn't suggest eating a healthy 2000 calories a day was hard and
expensive. The latter depends on what you eat (foie gras?), the former is
definitely off the mark - if it's not fun, you're not doing it right!
Eating
is pleasurable, that's why so many people do too much of it. If you have
an
excuse to eat more, you're winning, not losing.

Its OK if you have healthy food at hand, its not an option for me to
go hunting for food at lunch - I either take it (usually take a second
evening meal in a box) or I eat horrible cack from the local shops.
(note horrible could be bad for you but tasty)

A colleague and I found serious sandwiches worked fine. Doorstops, cheese,
pickle. Mmm. Carried in from home. (Colleague swears by breadmaker for
this). It helps that we're both able to eat when we want - so in some ways
it could be described as two lunches.

(oh no, I've just had a memory of the bread our defunct local baker used to
make. Never had better :-( )

(ok, we aren't doing the miles you're doing - only 11 or 12 each way)

cheers,
clive

Coyoteboy said:

How many people eat significantly more while commuting to maintain
weight? Eating a healthy 2000 calories per day is hard and expensive and
not something most people consider when thinking about riding to work.
Its not something I'd thought about until I actually did it.

I have a flapjack and a smoothie on the days I ride in. If I didn't I
would lose too much weight. I once calculated the calorific burn of my
5.5 mile commute (ridden as hard as possible) as a Mars Bar each way.

Add in the global warming effect of the extra shower per day, washing an
extra set of clothes a day and the production of the food, plus the cost
of this (OK, the work shower is free to me) and it's much cheaper, and
maybe no worse environmentally, to use 1.5 litres of petrol a day by
driving. That's the only marginal cost of using the car, since it's
serviced by time rather than mileage intervals and doesn't actually
depreciate, being a "modern classic".

I need the exercise though, and I feel rough on days I drive in; the
cycling is a sort of antidote to the canned air in the office.

Andrew Price said:

On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 12:29:45 -0700, CoyoteBoy <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I doubt you need as much as 2000 extra Calories for the commute you
describe.

Quoted message said:

18 miles at an average of 18 miles per hour, both the heart rate
monitor calorie counter and the stomach average the estimate at
somewhere between 1600 and 2000 calories per day. I and my riding
friend have been tracking it for 4 months.

That sounds rather a lot to me, too. What sort of terrain is your
commute - very

I cant remember the exact measurements from the GPS but it is 3
valleys, each about 2-300ft deep essentially. About 12 miles of open
non-stop track, the remaining milage is start stop traffic-light grand
prix, up to max speed and back to 0 every 400-600 yards.

vernon said:

Get a smaller car. I can do 36 miles for under a fiver in my Micra....

No ta, no point me having my car if I dont enjoy driving it.

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Get the earlier train and have a relaxing 30-40 minute stroll.....

Errr, I already work 12 hours a day, every day - i dont need my
relaxation time eating into any more thanks 🙂

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Examines an Asda malt loaf.....approx 500 calories @29p per loaf = £1..16 oh
and no fats....

Every day? I'm seeing your point but it really does mean you eat the
same rather dull [censored] every day. Plus if you choose to meet other
people for lunch, generally you cant eat your own food in places of
food procurement.

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Or.....porridge oats, milk and a soupcon of sugar kicks in at a lower
pence/kcal

🙂 not so easy to eat a) in work (lab) or b) anywhere where you can
purchase food WITH people. Meaning you're pretty much a loaner for
lunch!

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I don't eat significntly more when doing a 100km Audax. I think that your
estimate of 2000 calories is a tad generous for an hour's ride. I budget
for a max 600 calories when Audaxing but I'm probably very much heavier than
you and cycle at just over two thirds of your pace. An aforementioned malt
loaf, a brace of bananas and a bottle of chocolate milkshake on top of a
porridge breakfast and part of a bag of jelly babies nibbled throughout the
ride sees me through the ride - still significantly below £2.50.....

I'm a solidly created 🙂 210lbs and always have struggled with food,
as in a week of regular exercise and I literally can eat myself out of
cash, house and home without weight gain. My estimate of calorific use
is not generous, trust me - with a static weight for 4 months (after 2
months of getting up to general fitness) and eating between 1600 and
2000 calories - if i were NOT using those calories I'd have put on
weight - thats just the way it works!
Aside from the weight thing, if I dont eat continuously when
exercising (little and often) I end up very angry and headachy. This
means im essentially eating constantly and trying to find things that
taste good and dont get boring when you eat it 5 days a week lol.

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I lost the grand total of 3 lbs when doing Land's End to John O'Groats for
the first time - two pints of beer nearly restored the balance :-)

I intend to do one of these soon, I cant wait! How long were you
riding per day?

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shower. Cost - £5 extra per day in human-fuel (about 2000 calories
burned extra per day).

How many people eat significantly more while commuting to maintain
weight? Eating a healthy 2000 calories per day is hard and expensive and

One large white sliced loaf 36p and one tin of baked beans 17p, with a
splash of olive oil at 5p and a multivit pill at 2p is a lot more
than 2000cals which is a lot more than you can burn in 2 hrs I would
say. You can spend more if you like but if you are comparing fuel
costs you should eat like a wise poor person and go to Lidl , where
basic pasta is dead cheap, even with the luxury of a little pasta
sauce and cheese.You've been watching that Nigella Lawson again,
haven't you!
TerryJ