Common Practice

B. Lafferty said:

"EPO, growth hormone, cortisone... I used everything that was common
practice in the peloton at the time," Roux told the Bordeaux judges on the
first day of the trial. "Everybody did. The greatest riders used things that
I couldn't get with my small salary. They bought synthetic haemoglobin and
underwent blood transfusions, which I have never messed with."
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/jun06/jun20news2

Brian, it's one article , so comment on it in one post please. Lets
stick with the Jalabert thread^^

"Tuschinski" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

B. Lafferty said:

"EPO, growth hormone, cortisone... I used everything that was common
practice in the peloton at the time," Roux told the Bordeaux judges on
the
first day of the trial. "Everybody did. The greatest riders used things
that
I couldn't get with my small salary. They bought synthetic haemoglobin
and
underwent blood transfusions, which I have never messed with."
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/jun06/jun20news2

Brian, it's one article , so comment on it in one post please. Lets
stick with the Jalabert thread^^

Actually, it's two articles on the same page at CyclingNews. One deals
directly with JaJa, the other doesn't.

B. Lafferty said:

"EPO, growth hormone, cortisone... I used everything that was common
practice in the peloton at the time," Roux told the Bordeaux judges on the
first day of the trial. "Everybody did. The greatest riders used things that
I couldn't get with my small salary. They bought synthetic haemoglobin and
underwent blood transfusions, which I have never messed with."
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/jun06/jun20news2

What a mess. I have a theory that doping got out of control because
management and cycling leadership let it. If so, how about amnesty for
riders, but life bans for those who stood by and let it infest the
cycling world?

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Quoted message said:

B. Lafferty said:

"EPO, growth hormone, cortisone... I used everything that was common
practice in the peloton at the time," Roux told the Bordeaux judges on
the
first day of the trial. "Everybody did. The greatest riders used things
that
I couldn't get with my small salary. They bought synthetic haemoglobin
and
underwent blood transfusions, which I have never messed with."
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/jun06/jun20news2

What a mess. I have a theory that doping got out of control because
management and cycling leadership let it. If so, how about amnesty for
riders, but life bans for those who stood by and let it infest the
cycling world?

I think amnesty is a good idea for the riders, IF they come clean with all
that they know. If they don't and are later found to have lied or withheld
information, ban them for life. I'd extend the same deal to all team
personnel but not the licensed physicians. Let them deal with their
respective licensing authorities.

Quoted message said:

What a mess. I have a theory that doping got out of control because
management and cycling leadership let it. If so, how about amnesty for
riders, but life bans for those who stood by and let it infest the
cycling world?

Dumbass,
Nothing got infested, its always been that way. Are you preston.crawford
II ?

Donald Munro said:

Quoted message said:

What a mess. I have a theory that doping got out of control because
management and cycling leadership let it. If so, how about amnesty for
riders, but life bans for those who stood by and let it infest the
cycling world?

Dumbass,
Nothing got infested, its always been that way. Are you preston.crawford
II ?

Summary:

* All professional sports do, and always have, had participants try to cheat.
* Catching cheaters is inherently imperfect, therefore:
* All professional sports do, and always have, possessed a certain level of cheating.

Lafferty has invested literally thousands of hours posting his "shut-it-down" message
to this group. I suppose there's worse ways to waste ones life.

Donald Munro said:

Quoted message said:

What a mess. I have a theory that doping got out of control because
management and cycling leadership let it. If so, how about amnesty for
riders, but life bans for those who stood by and let it infest the
cycling world?

Dumbass,
Nothing got infested, its always been that way. Are you preston.crawford
II ?

Always? Oh, that's ok then.

Who's Preston Crawford?

Dan Connelly said:

Donald Munro said:

Quoted message said:

What a mess. I have a theory that doping got out of control because
management and cycling leadership let it. If so, how about amnesty for
riders, but life bans for those who stood by and let it infest the
cycling world?

Dumbass,
Nothing got infested, its always been that way. Are you preston.crawford
II ?

Summary:

* All professional sports do, and always have, had participants try to cheat.
* Catching cheaters is inherently imperfect, therefore:
* All professional sports do, and always have, possessed a certain level of cheating.

Lafferty has invested literally thousands of hours posting his "shut-it-down" message
to this group. I suppose there's worse ways to waste ones life.

There's a difference between some trying to cheat (human nature) and
leaders looking the other way while it goes on. Imagine Wall Street
with an SEC that did nothing?

Re Lafferty, I kinda wish more people were pointing out the emperor had
no clothes. The collective embarassment is getting, um, embarassing.

B. Lafferty said:

I think amnesty is a good idea for the riders, IF they come clean with all
that they know. If they don't and are later found to have lied or withheld
information, ban them for life.

Now there would be a wonderfully productive situation for Pound and his
henchmen to make examples of riders. "What he knew/when he knew it",
with the burden of proof always on the rider. A wonderful compliment to
secret tests and hiring "readers" until the object of scrutiny (a
rider, of course) is found guilty, as assumed; or otherwise desired to
serve revenge for uncomplimentary, if true, public statements
("kangaroo court"😉, or superior athletic performances. Or celebration
after victory which is judged to be excessive and/or unseemly (did I
cover *all* of Lance's problems with you and Pound, there?)

Quoted message said:

I'd extend the same deal to all team
personnel but not the licensed physicians. Let them deal with their
respective licensing authorities.

Scare off the docs, so transfusions and other procedures will be done
by hacks. Good idea! One good incident of being deathly ill after a
botched transfusion (or other doping protocol), could be a really,
really effective deterrent. A death or two? A small price to pay for
making sport clean!

The War on People goes on. --D-y

Quoted message said:

Actually, it's two articles on the same page at CyclingNews. One deals
directly with JaJa, the other doesn't.

For what's it worth, it's one and the same case. Thats why I suggest
you use one post, so we can keep the discussions in one place^^

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Quoted message said:

B. Lafferty said:

I think amnesty is a good idea for the riders, IF they come clean with
all
that they know. If they don't and are later found to have lied or
withheld
information, ban them for life.

Now there would be a wonderfully productive situation for Pound and his
henchmen to make examples of riders. "What he knew/when he knew it",
with the burden of proof always on the rider. A wonderful compliment to
secret tests and hiring "readers" until the object of scrutiny (a
rider, of course) is found guilty, as assumed; or otherwise desired to
serve revenge for uncomplimentary, if true, public statements
("kangaroo court"😉, or superior athletic performances. Or celebration
after victory which is judged to be excessive and/or unseemly (did I
cover *all* of Lance's problems with you and Pound, there?)

Quoted message said:

I'd extend the same deal to all team
personnel but not the licensed physicians. Let them deal with their
respective licensing authorities.

Scare off the docs, so transfusions and other procedures will be done
by hacks. Good idea! One good incident of being deathly ill after a
botched transfusion (or other doping protocol), could be a really,
really effective deterrent. A death or two? A small price to pay for
making sport clean!

The War on People goes on. --D-y

Thanks for sharing the hyperbole.

mtb Dad said:

Re Lafferty, I kinda wish more people were pointing out the emperor had
no clothes. The collective embarassment is getting, um, embarassing.

You mean our empress has removed her clothes ? Now we can all admire h^2's
deck that she's says she's been working on.

B. Lafferty said:

Thanks for sharing the hyperbole.

Kangaroo court stands.

Maybe I should have called it a "War on Sports"?

You deny there is a strong element of the personal in Pound's
statements?

"Marion Jones better watch her mouth or I'll go after every medal she
ever won"?

Sport will never, ever be "clean". Pound is making a career on selling
a fairy tale.

How about making rules that can be enforced by testing, not by phone
taps and raids on hotels?
--D-y

Tuschinski said:

Quoted message said:

Actually, it's two articles on the same page at CyclingNews. One deals
directly with JaJa, the other doesn't.

For what's it worth, it's one and the same case. Thats why I suggest
you use one post, so we can keep the discussions in one place^^

Darn it, we could even have one newsgroup each too.

Quoted message said:

B. Lafferty said:

I think amnesty is a good idea for the riders, IF they come clean with all
that they know. If they don't and are later found to have lied or withheld
information, ban them for life.

Now there would be a wonderfully productive situation for Pound and his
henchmen to make examples of riders. "What he knew/when he knew it",
with the burden of proof always on the rider. A wonderful compliment to
secret tests and hiring "readers" until the object of scrutiny (a
rider, of course) is found guilty, as assumed; or otherwise desired to
serve revenge for uncomplimentary, if true, public statements
("kangaroo court"😉, or superior athletic performances. Or celebration
after victory which is judged to be excessive and/or unseemly (did I
cover *all* of Lance's problems with you and Pound, there?)

Quoted message said:

I'd extend the same deal to all team
personnel but not the licensed physicians. Let them deal with their
respective licensing authorities.

Scare off the docs, so transfusions and other procedures will be done
by hacks. Good idea! One good incident of being deathly ill after a
botched transfusion (or other doping protocol), could be a really,
really effective deterrent. A death or two? A small price to pay for
making sport clean!

The War on People goes on. --D-y

Damn I must be slipping in my right wing indoctrination. We agree.
It's real simple though. Corrupt, arrogant, brutal [censored] shouldn't
be protected by anyone, of any stripe. Though the true believers will
excuse any excess rather than take a stand for justice.
Bill C

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

B. Lafferty said:

I think amnesty is a good idea for the riders, IF they come clean with
all
that they know. If they don't and are later found to have lied or
withheld
information, ban them for life.

Now there would be a wonderfully productive situation for Pound and his
henchmen to make examples of riders. "What he knew/when he knew it",
with the burden of proof always on the rider. A wonderful compliment to
secret tests and hiring "readers" until the object of scrutiny (a
rider, of course) is found guilty, as assumed; or otherwise desired to
serve revenge for uncomplimentary, if true, public statements
("kangaroo court"😉, or superior athletic performances. Or celebration
after victory which is judged to be excessive and/or unseemly (did I
cover *all* of Lance's problems with you and Pound, there?)

Quoted message said:

I'd extend the same deal to all team
personnel but not the licensed physicians. Let them deal with their
respective licensing authorities.

Scare off the docs, so transfusions and other procedures will be done
by hacks. Good idea! One good incident of being deathly ill after a
botched transfusion (or other doping protocol), could be a really,
really effective deterrent. A death or two? A small price to pay for
making sport clean!

The War on People goes on. --D-y

Damn I must be slipping in my right wing indoctrination. We agree.
It's real simple though. Corrupt, arrogant, brutal [censored] shouldn't
be protected by anyone, of any stripe.

You're speaking of Armstrong, right?

Quoted message said:

Though the true believers will
excuse any excess rather than take a stand for justice.

Defending Bill Stapleton is beneath you, Bill. ;-)

Quoted message said:

Bill C

B. Lafferty said:

"EPO, growth hormone, cortisone... I used everything that was common
practice in the peloton at the time," Roux told the Bordeaux judges on the
first day of the trial. "Everybody did. The greatest riders used things that
I couldn't get with my small salary. They bought synthetic haemoglobin and
underwent blood transfusions, which I have never messed with."
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/jun06/jun20news2

Every crack head I ever met also insisted that everybody else was on something.

Ron