Coming off a small drop and staying flat?

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Reading a recent MTB Action mag, I got the impression that somebody who

knows

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what they're doing can come off of, say, a 10" curb at not much more than

a fast

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walk and land flat (or at least not front wheel first).

I can get a flat landing in that situation, but I have to be going a lot

faster

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and kind of bunny hop before either wheel clears the edge.

Is the low-speed flat landing really feasible? If so how is it done?

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a mini-manual going off the edge?

Seems like a practical move.

A nice pedal stroke, rearward shift, slight pull on the bars combo?

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Reading a recent MTB Action mag, I got the impression that somebody who knows what they're doing
can come off of, say, a 10" curb at not much more than a fast walk and land flat (or at least not
front wheel first).

I can get a flat landing in that situation, but I have to be going a lot faster and kind of bunny
hop before either wheel clears the edge.

Is the low-speed flat landing really feasible? If so how is it done? Sort of a mini-manual going
off the edge?

Seems like a practical move.

A nice pedal stroke, rearward shift, slight pull on the bars combo?

Would that be kind of like attempting a low wheelie just before you hit the curb? As opposed to
a bunnyhop.

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"(Pete Cresswell)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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Reading a recent MTB Action mag, I got the impression that somebody who knows what they're doing
can come off of, say, a 10" curb at not much more than a fast walk and land flat (or at least not
front wheel first).

I can get a flat landing in that situation, but I have to be going a lot faster and kind of bunny
hop before either wheel clears the edge.

Is the low-speed flat landing really feasible? If so how is it done? Sort of a mini-manual going
off the edge?

Seems like a practical move.

A nice pedal stroke, rearward shift, slight pull on the bars combo?

That's it! I call it a wheelie drop. Give a little pedal kick just before your front wheel goes
over the edge and pull up on the bars. (Wheelie move) If you do it right your front wheel will
continue straight out from the lip and then as your rear wheel goes over the edge the bike will
drop straight down landing both wheels at the same time. A 10" curb is a nice no-penalty obstacle
to practice this on.

Mike

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"(Pete Cresswell)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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Reading a recent MTB Action mag, I got the impression that somebody who knows what they're
doing can come off of, say, a 10" curb at not much more than a fast walk and land flat (or at
least not front wheel first).

I can get a flat landing in that situation, but I have to be going a lot faster and kind of
bunny hop before either wheel clears the edge.

Is the low-speed flat landing really feasible? If so how is it done? Sort of a mini-manual
going off the edge?

Seems like a practical move.

A nice pedal stroke, rearward shift, slight pull on the bars combo?

Would that be kind of like attempting a low wheelie just before you hit

the

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curb? As opposed to a bunnyhop.

Yep. I really need to practice my bunnyhop more often.

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That's it! I call it a wheelie drop. Give a little pedal kick just before your front wheel goes
over the edge and pull up on the bars. (Wheelie move) If you do it right your front wheel will
continue straight out from the lip and then as your rear wheel goes over the edge the bike will
drop straight down landing both wheels at the same time. A 10" curb is a nice no-penalty obstacle
to practice this on.

Not to beat a dead horse... but is there some speed at which you change over to doing a
bunnyhop...or do you keep the same technique regardless of speed?
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PeteCresswell

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That's it! I call it a wheelie drop. Give a little pedal kick just before your front wheel goes
over the edge and pull up on the bars. (Wheelie move) If you do it right your front wheel will
continue straight out from the lip and then as your rear wheel goes over the edge the bike will
drop straight down landing both wheels at the same time. A 10" curb is a nice no-penalty obstacle
to practice this on.

Not to beat a dead horse... but is there some speed at which you change over to doing a
bunnyhop...or do you keep the same technique regardless of speed?

I think at the speed where it becomes impractical (or impossible) to get that pedal stroke in
would be the threshold. When I'm moving a little faster I find just a weight shift back will give
the front wheel the necessary list to keep me level, no bunnyhop required (although I may throw
one in for fun).

It's just something I feel, kind of like how far you lean into a turn. It's hard to describe how you
calculate that while approaching a turn, no? But I bet you often get the right amount of lean even
if you don't have a lean formula handy.

Matt

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It's just something I feel, kind of like how far you lean into a turn. It's hard to describe how
you calculate that while approaching a turn, no? But I bet you often get the right amount of lean
even if you don't have a lean formula handy.

Matt

Oops, make that lift, not list.

Matt

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Reading a recent MTB Action mag, I got the impression that somebody who

knows

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what they're doing can come off of, say, a 10" curb at not much more than

a fast

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walk and land flat (or at least not front wheel first).

I can get a flat landing in that situation, but I have to be going a lot

faster

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and kind of bunny hop before either wheel clears the edge.

Is the low-speed flat landing really feasible? If so how is it done?

Sort of

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a mini-manual going off the edge?

Seems like a practical move.
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PeteCresswell

Its just a matter of doing a very controlled wheelie. You know that point where you just lift up off
the ground? You kind of have to keep it there. Its a little hard at first, because you can't really
practice it without going off a ledge, but basically you pop the front wheel up an inch or so, then
keep just enough pressure on the pedals to JUST let it fall slowly - like, really slowly. If it
falls too much, you add a bit more pressure and pop it back up an inch. Usually I still land
slightly rear wheel first, which is fine, and works well. You just have to be super careful to not
let the front wheel drop TOO much - once it drops below level, there's no getting it back up.

Oh yeah, and there's a bit of a stand up and a forward weight shift just as you get off the edge to
keep things balanced, and prepare for the landing.

Jon Bond

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That's it! I call it a wheelie drop. Give a little pedal kick just

before

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your front wheel goes over the edge and pull up on the bars. (Wheelie

move)

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If you do it right your front wheel will continue straight out from the

lip

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and then as your rear wheel goes over the edge the bike will drop

straight

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down landing both wheels at the same time. A 10" curb is a nice

no-penalty

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obstacle to practice this on.

Not to beat a dead horse... but is there some speed at which you change

over to

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doing a bunnyhop...or do you keep the same technique regardless of speed?
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PeteCresswell

I personally never bunnyhop, persay. I misjudged once and ended up clipping the rear wheel on the
way off a 2' drop. It wasn't pretty.

I do a mini manual - basically you shift your weight back, and a bit of a bar pull, and thats that.
The trick is you have to push FORWARD a little bit. Think of standing beside your bike, then getting
it onto its rear wheel. You don't just pull - you kind of push forward and up first. On a 2-4' drop
(thats all I know, I haven't gone bigger), you can just kind of pull back and shift your weight back
at the same time, then bring it forwards as your rear wheel rolls off the lip.

At slower speeds, I land rear wheel first. You do a wheelie drop, with your front wheel 4-6" or so
in the air while pedalling, and then almost push the rear of the bike down. This effectively
shortens the height of the drop. Seems to work pretty well, but you're screwed when your chain skips
as you go off the lip!!!!

Jon Bond

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Reading a recent MTB Action mag, I got the impression that somebody who

knows

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what they're doing can come off of, say, a 10" curb at not much more than

a fast

Quoted message said:

walk and land flat (or at least not front wheel first).

I can get a flat landing in that situation, but I have to be going a lot

faster

Quoted message said:

and kind of bunny hop before either wheel clears the edge.

Is the low-speed flat landing really feasible? If so how is it done?

Sort of

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a mini-manual going off the edge?

Seems like a practical move.
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PeteCresswell

Yes. You can do a manual drop or cheat like me and it will come out looking like a manual drop. My
move is half a bunny hop. I initiate the first part of a bunny hop like I'm going to hop over
something high. I don't however lift the back. I just let the back wheel roll off the edge. It can
be done at walking speed with very little preparation. Very useful in tight drops or any situation
where you want to come in flat or ass first. No pedal kick or nothing . Just compress, lift the
front and leave your ass on the ground. It is safer than bunnyhop it because you won't accidently
clip the rear wheel going over the edge.

Pete every one does the wheelie drop a little differently... I had big time problems with
consistency..

I found out that there are a few things that make it easier:

1) proper gearing... for me middle ring 3 or 4 cog in the rear .. too low a gear and it takes too
big a pedal stroke and too high a gear.. no lift (ouch)

2) speed... I found that going very slowly at first is the safest/most consistent way to do it..
once you get good at it... you can increase speed.

3) foot position ... feet at 3:00/9:00 didn't work for me.. I now use
4:00 for my chocolate foot. that way i get full lift by the time my foot is at 3:00 .. lift the
handle bars, move the weight back and pedal stroke at the same time .. practice to be sure you get
a lift each time and you don't over lift and go over backwards.

5) practice on a very low drop.. like a curb... in fact practice on flat ground.. until you can
consistently get the front wheel up in the air with a partial stroke.

here are a couple of pics of a wheelie drop on a small drop.

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charlie

(Pete Cresswell) said:

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That's it! I call it a wheelie drop. Give a little pedal kick just before your front wheel goes
over the edge and pull up on the bars. (Wheelie move) If you do it right your front wheel will
continue straight out from the lip and then as your rear wheel goes over the edge the bike will
drop straight down landing both wheels at the same time. A 10" curb is a nice no-penalty obstacle
to practice this on.

Not to beat a dead horse... but is there some speed at which you change over to doing a
bunnyhop...or do you keep the same technique regardless of speed?

looks like a fun course there 😄

Charles Beristain said:

Pete every one does the wheelie drop a little differently... I had big time problems with
consistency..

I found out that there are a few things that make it easier:

1) proper gearing... for me middle ring 3 or 4 cog in the rear .. too low a gear and it takes too
big a pedal stroke and too high a gear.. no lift (ouch)

2) speed... I found that going very slowly at first is the safest/most consistent way to do it..
once you get good at it... you can increase speed.

3) foot position ... feet at 3:00/9:00 didn't work for me.. I now use
11:00 for my chocolate foot. that way i get full lift by the time my foot is at 3:00 .. lift the
handle bars, move the weight back and pedal stroke at the same time .. practice to be sure you
get a lift each time and you don't over lift and go over backwards.

4) practice on a very low drop.. like a curb... in fact practice on flat ground.. until you can
consistently get the front wheel up in the air with a partial stroke.

here are a couple of pics of a wheelie drop on a small drop.

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charlie

(Pete Cresswell) said:

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That's it! I call it a wheelie drop. Give a little pedal kick just before your front wheel goes
over the edge and pull up on the bars. (Wheelie move) If you do it right your front wheel will
continue straight out from the lip and then as your rear wheel goes over the edge the bike will
drop straight down landing both wheels at the same time. A 10" curb is a nice no-penalty obstacle
to practice this on.

Not to beat a dead horse... but is there some speed at which you change over to doing a
bunnyhop...or do you keep the same technique regardless of speed?

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Reading a recent MTB Action mag, I got the impression that somebody who knows what they're doing
can come off of, say, a 10" curb at not much more than a fast walk and land flat (or at least not
front wheel first).

I can get a flat landing in that situation, but I have to be going a lot faster and kind of bunny
hop before either wheel clears the edge.

Is the low-speed flat landing really feasible? If so how is it done? Sort of a mini-manual going
off the edge?

Seems like a practical move.

Just pull up on the front end and lean back, if you are going really slow use a half pedal stroke to
lift the front wheel.
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That's it! I call it a wheelie drop. Give a little pedal kick just

before

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your front wheel goes over the edge and pull up on the bars. (Wheelie

move)

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If you do it right your front wheel will continue straight out from the

lip

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and then as your rear wheel goes over the edge the bike will drop straight down landing both
wheels at the same time. A 10" curb is a nice

no-penalty

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obstacle to practice this on.

Mike

A rear wheel hop off an edge looks prettier...

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That's it! I call it a wheelie drop. Give a little pedal kick just before your front wheel goes
over the edge and pull up on the bars. (Wheelie move) If you do it right your front wheel will
continue straight out from the lip and then as your rear wheel goes over the edge the bike will
drop straight down landing both wheels at the same time. A 10" curb is a nice no-penalty obstacle
to practice this on.

Mike

A rear wheel hop off an edge looks prettier...

Yes it does. Hey, 'statue' Matt? ;^)

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It took forever for the flash to recycle Matt held the pose for the whole time. I've seen him do a 7
footer like that. Very smooooth.

Mike

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A rear wheel hop off an edge looks prettier...

Yes it does. Hey, 'statue' Matt? ;^)

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It took forever for the flash to recycle Matt held the pose for the whole time. I've seen him do a
7 footer like that. Very smooooth.

Me, doing the same:

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