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  1. I use a Chemex coffee maker, but I would love to find a cold drip coffee maker
    like those I saw in Taiwan -- If you ever tasted cold drip coffee, you would be
    a believer also. This is an article from MSNBC.com:

    My coffee is cold A brewing system without
    heat proves it's a contender when it comes to taste

    By Jon Bonné MSNBC Updated: 7:13 p.m. ET Aug. 20, 2004

    The notion of cold-brewed coffee sounded to us, frankly, weird.

    After all, heat seems intrinsic to the coffee process. Why would
    you possibly want to leave grounds soaking for half a day in
    an ugly plastic pitcher, like so much Kool-Aid? There's only
    one possible reason we were willing to try the Toddy coffee
    system, one of a handful of cold-brew options available: It works.

    Really, really well.

    The more you think about it, the more clear it becomes that
    hot-brewed coffee is by no means a culinary dictate. I personally
    gave up drip coffee for espresso years ago, finding that filtration
    brought too little flavor and too much caffeine into the mix.

    Others find regular coffee too acidic. Of the estimated 54 million
    Americans who suffer heartburn, according to the National Heartburn
    Alliance, three-quarters say it can be caused by beverages.

    Cold-brew systems largely solve these problems, which may
    be why Toddy claims 20 to 30 percent of its customers are
    coffee lovers who find regular brews too much to stomach.

    No heat, no plug It's not an immediately comfortable transition. The
    technology is profoundly low-tech: a plastic pitcher with a fabric
    filter, sitting atop a carafe that catches the finished product.
    No electricity needed, just gravity, a pound of ground beans and
    nine cups of cold water. That and 10 to 12 hours steeping time.

    "We live in a culture that almost demands something
    be complicated," says Brett Holmes, a partner in
    Houston-based Toddy Products. "It's got to have a plug."

    The resulting concentrate is strong stuff. Toddy recommends
    three parts of either hot or cold water to one part concentrate,
    depending on how you like your coffee, not unlike an Americano.

    During a two-week test in the MSNBC.com newsroom, the 3-to-1
    ratio was rarely used, given our preference for maximum coffee
    in minimum time. My own fave was 1-to-1 with cold nonfat milk.

    As it turns out, cold brew is familiar to the caffeinated
    elite. Many die-hard coffee fiends swear by systems like Toddy,
    which retails for $35, or the similar Filtron. Seattle's Best
    Coffee fessed up earlier this month that they have for years
    used industrial-sized Toddys to brew concentrate for cold
    coffee drinks, and will now sell Toddy systems in their stores.

    None other than Seattle's Best founder Jim Stewart brought
    Toddys into the chain's back rooms because they could turn out
    flavorful coffee without astringent or chemical qualities. Even
    after the coffee chain was bought by java megalith Starbucks, it
    opted to keep its own brewing traditions, including the Toddy.

    "We're not just trying to make up another of what
    everybody else is doing," says Shannon Jones,
    Seattle's Best's director of field marketing.

    Breaking the rules The more you think about cold brew's weirdness, the
    less weird it seems. After all, coffee has been around since before
    1000 A.D., depending on whose version of history you believe, yet
    it was initially thought to have been eaten as a berry, not brewed.

    Who decided on the drip method anyway? Prior to the early
    1700s, when the Europeans developed a rudimentary coffee
    filter known as a biggins, coffee grounds were usually left
    in the brew. It wasn't until 1908 that a German housewife
    named Melitta Bentz devised a paper filter for drip.

    Even the precise espresso process -- now a backbone of
    coffee consumption -- wasn't engineered until 1901. So why
    should the world be governed by the laws of Mr. Coffee?

    "I can serve hot or cold coffee at the same time, and I can
    serve a large group without standing in the kitchen for a
    good 30 minutes pouring hot water through a drip filter,"
    says Toddy fan Kristin Yamaguchi, who first bought one
    to conserve space in her tiny Yokohama, Japan, kitchen.

    Yamaguchi became an instant convert. While she prefers coffee
    cold, she not only enjoys hot Toddy but unlike regular
    coffee, can drink it later in the day and without food.

    Four decades ago, a similar rethinking of coffee norms prompted the
    creation of the Toddy, due to sell its one millionth unit this fall.

    In 1964, a newly graduated chemical engineer named Todd Simpson,
    ordered coffee in a small cafe in Guatemala. He received a small
    carafe of cool concentrate and some boiling water, which set him
    wondering whether his mother -- who couldn't otherwise stomach
    coffee -- might be able to enjoy the cold stuff. She could, he
    devised a formal brewing device and the Toddy business was born.

    Smoother on the stomach Though coffee aficionados have
    murmured about it for the past 30 years, Holmes and his former
    college roommate, Strother Simpson -- Todd's son -- now hope
    to take their contraption to the big leagues, including a
    marketing campaign, a redesign of the plastic pitcher and a
    line of ready-to-mix bottled coffee and tea concentrates. (As
    many Southerners will attest, tea can be cold-brewed, too.)

    Where cold brew truly comes from is a total mystery. The Simpsons
    believe it may be an ancient Peruvian method, and coffee
    concentrates first showed up in 19th-century America. Another
    theory traces it back to Java. The trail seems to stop there.

    What's apparent, though, in Toddy's independent lab tests
    and in our own less scientific tastings, is that cold
    concentrate contains far less acid and a good bit less caffeine.

    Toddy claims to brew up two-thirds less caffeine than regular
    coffee; in a side-by side test using Starbucks' regular blend,
    the Toddy version had a pH of 6.31 and 40 mg of caffeine per
    100 grams of coffee, while Starbucks store-brewed clocked in at
    a pH of 5.48 and 61 mg of caffeine. (Lower numbers on the pH
    scale, which is measured logarithmically, denote more acid.)

    In a beverage near you Not all our newsroom testers were convinced.
    One enjoyed the taste but thought the mechanics of cold brewing were
    a bit much. (He compared it to a fondue pot.) Another suggested
    coffee fans who cherish a full dose of acid and caffeine might be
    turned off. There were inevitable comparisons to instant coffee.

    Still, a carafe of concentrate remained fresh over a week,
    with no dulling of flavor. It even avoided absorbing the
    tastes of the newsroom refrigerator's other contents --
    possibly the first beverage ever to avoid that fate.

    Potential uses kept emerging. Camping trips.
    Coffee ice cubes for undiluted iced lattes.

    Seattle's Best recently announced it will take over cafÃ
    operations at more than 400 Borders locations, so Toddy
    concentrate could soon appear across the nation -- though you
    might not know you're drinking some. (Seattle's Best's Naughty
    Toddy and JavaKula iced drinks, among others, feature it.)

    I'm likely to stick to my espresso machine at home. But cold-brewed
    coffee may just become a regular work habit, and not just because
    the always-overheated communal coffee pot fills me with dread.

    © 2005 MSNBC Interactiv
    © 2005 MSNBC.co

    URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5728227/

    Here is some more information about the Toddy Cold Brew System:

    http://www.toddycafe.com/cbinfo/

    But, the cold brew systems in Asia are *way* cooler than the Toddy -- They are
    enormous drip systems, several feet tall!

    --
    Clay Irving
    [email hidden]

  2. Miche said:
    Bob (this one) said:
    Miche said:

    [email hidden] (Serene) wrote:

    > Peter Aitken <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    >> Rip off! Coffee requires boiling water to extract the flavor,
    >> just like tea. Have you ever tasted sun-brewed tea? Brown
    >> water with essentially no taste. Your cold brewed coffee will
    >> be the same.
    >
    > Huh. Ours is delicious. Have you tried it?

    Bet he hasn't.

    And boiling water will produce bitter coffee.

    Boiling water is exactly fine for brewing coffee. Boiling the
    ground coffee beans in the water will produce bitter coffee.

    Everything I've ever seen about brewing coffee says the ideal
    temperature is 86C.

    Everything...? I've never seen a reliable, contemporary source that says
    to brew it at that low a temperature. 187°F.

    Bringing water to a full boil and then pouring it into another vessel
    will cool it a few degrees. Enough to fall within the guidelines from
    these coffee brewing sites. They don't agree on the specific temperature
    ranges, but all are higher than 86°C - 187°F, and I found one that
    suggested 85°C - 187°F.

    "The brewing temperature should stay between 92-96°C." That's 198-205°F.
    <http://www.kaffe.no/nca_esbc.htm>

    "Commercial brewers brew coffee at high temperatures (200°F [93°C]) to
    extract the full flavor from the beans."
    <http://www.puretechgroup.com/products.php?cat=15>

    "coffee should be extracted at 195 - 205 degrees F" (91 - 96°C)
    <http://www.ineedcoffee.com/03/brewing/>

    A comparative chart with entries from several sources. There's one that
    says to brew at 85°C. It's for U.S. Navy urns from 1945. It's wrongly
    indicated in the chart. That's the minimum serving temperature. Here's
    the brewing instruction: "Draw off boiling water, 1 gallon at a time.
    Pour slowly in a curricular motion over coffee in bag. Keep covered
    between pouring of each gallon of water to keep heat and aroma in the
    coffee brew." Also says "Hold finished coffee at a temperature of 175° F
    to 185° F until served."
    <http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2003/DianaGendler.shtml>
    Here's the text from that book:
    <http://www.koffeekorner.com/navy_coffee!.htm>

    I have the 1944 edition of "The Cookbook of the United States Navy" and
    it differs from the above. Says "Hold finished coffee at a temperature
    of 175° F to 185° F until served. Coffee can be held several hours at
    this temperature." I can see why they changed it for the 1945 edition.

    Quoted message said:

    Why the sudden change?

    Meaningless question.

    Pastorio

  3. Bob (this one) said:
    Quoted message said:

    Everything I've ever seen about brewing coffee says the ideal temperature
    is 86C.

    Everything...? I've never seen a reliable, contemporary source that says
    to brew it at that low a temperature. 187°F.

    I think TEA is supposed to be brewed at 86C/187F.

    Bob

  4. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Bob' virtualgoth@die_spammer.biz said:
    Bob (this one) said:
    Quoted message said:

    Everything I've ever seen about brewing coffee says the ideal temperature
    is 86C.

    Everything...? I've never seen a reliable, contemporary source that says
    to brew it at that low a temperature. 187°F.

    I think TEA is supposed to be brewed at 86C/187F.

    No, tea is supposed to be brewed from boiling water.

    Miche (ever had tea made from the water from a coffee machine? Ew.)

    --
    WWMVD?

  5. Quoted message said:

    No reason at all. I use a simple Pyrex pitcher, 2 cup. Four times
    water to the amount of grounds. Then after sitting, pour into a
    container through a fine strainer.

    A French press is simply a filter after the fact. For hot coffee from
    the start, I'll use the same Pyrex measuring pitcher, get to boiling
    in microwave, stir in grounds, let sit, and the pour the hot finished
    coffee into mug through the same strainer.

    A process is a process. Tools are tools. I can use a teaspoon to stir
    my coffee, or a coffee spoon to stir my tea. Haven't been arrested
    yet. I just remembered a years-ago episode of "F Troop" where the
    Indian Chief, always out for a buck, was telling some tourists about
    how they should buy his souvineer tomahawk as the only way to crack the
    shells of their soft-boiled eggs in the morning.

    LOL...I have a pot of cool-brewed coffee soaking as we speak. I will
    report on it tomorrow, if I can get online.

    -L.

  6. Peter Aitken said:

    Rip off! Coffee requires boiling water to extract the flavor, just like tea.
    Have you ever tasted sun-brewed tea? Brown water with essentially no taste.
    Your cold brewed coffee will be the same.

    Huh. Ours is delicious. Have you tried it?

    serene >>

    I love mine also. My daughter-in-law worked in a coffee shop while in
    college and this is what they used. There's no bitterness to the
    coffee..imo.

    Billie

  7. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Peter Aitken said:

    Rip off! Coffee requires boiling water to extract the flavor, just like
    tea.
    Have you ever tasted sun-brewed tea? Brown water with essentially no
    taste.
    Your cold brewed coffee will be the same.

    Huh. Ours is delicious. Have you tried it?

    serene >>

    I love mine also. My daughter-in-law worked in a coffee shop while in
    college and this is what they used. There's no bitterness to the
    coffee..imo.

    Billie

    If you like sun-brewed tea, fine. But there is no comparison with real tea.
    Real tea is brown and has a delighful taste. Sunbrewed tea is brown and has
    essentially no taste. Load it up with sugar and lemon and you have brown
    lemonade. Yuck.

    --
    Peter Aitken
    Visit my recipe and kitchen myths page at www.pgacon.com/cooking.htm

  8. Peter Aitken said:

    <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    Peter Aitken said:

    Rip off! Coffee requires boiling water to extract the flavor,
    just like tea. Have you ever tasted sun-brewed tea? Brown water
    with essentially no taste. Your cold brewed coffee will be the
    same.

    Huh. Ours is delicious. Have you tried it?
    serene >>

    I love mine also. My daughter-in-law worked in a coffee shop while
    in college and this is what they used. There's no bitterness to the
    coffee..imo.

    Billie


    If you like sun-brewed tea, fine. But there is no comparison with
    real tea. Real tea is brown and has a delighful taste. Sunbrewed tea
    is brown and has essentially no taste. Load it up with sugar and
    lemon and you have brown lemonade. Yuck.

    Peter, you really need to give cold-infused coffee a try. I make a
    coffee concentrate with cold water and long infusion times. I promise
    you it'll be eye-opening. The depth of flavor astonished me.

    A funny old country lady showed it to me. She made hers in a gallon jar
    that had held pickles a couple decades before. Infused it for exactly 12
    hours. Always started it at 8 AM and poured off the infusion at 8 PM
    that evening. She gave me a bunch of rules so detailed I expected to see
    them inscribed on stone tablets. Most were unnecessary, I later found
    while playing with the idea.

    Coarse-grind coffee, *soft* water, a big glass jar and time. I use a
    pound of coffee with enough water to make 4 liters total. I have a
    4-liter jug, otherwise I'd probably use a gallon jug and cut back
    slightly on the coffee. I like to do a 24 hour infusion on the kitchen
    counter. Pour the infusion through a paper coffee filter (I use the big
    commercial urn size left over from one of my restaurants in an enamel
    colander) and put into the fridge. Flavor stays very good for 5-7 days.
    After that, there's a noticeable fall-off in flavor, but it's still
    drinkable for maybe three more days.

    I use the concentrate as 1/4 to 1/3 of a cup of coffee. 1/4 cup
    concentrate to 3/4 cup hot water. Finish cream/sugar, etc. to suit.

    I tried it with hard water and it was bad; too sharp but not at all
    deep. Tried distilled - yuck; flat and uninteresting. Now I use our
    relatively soft well water. Works well.

    Pastorio

  9. Peter Aitken said:

    <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    Peter Aitken said:

    Rip off! Coffee requires boiling water to extract the flavor,
    just like tea. Have you ever tasted sun-brewed tea? Brown water
    with essentially no taste. Your cold brewed coffee will be the
    same.

    Huh. Ours is delicious. Have you tried it?
    serene >>

    I love mine also. My daughter-in-law worked in a coffee shop while
    in college and this is what they used. There's no bitterness to the
    coffee..imo.

    Billie


    If you like sun-brewed tea, fine. But there is no comparison with
    real tea. Real tea is brown and has a delighful taste. Sunbrewed tea
    is brown and has essentially no taste. Load it up with sugar and
    lemon and you have brown lemonade. Yuck.

    Peter, you really need to give cold-infused coffee a try. I make a
    coffee concentrate with cold water and long infusion times. I promise
    you it'll be eye-opening. The depth of flavor astonished me.

    A funny old country lady showed it to me. She made hers in a gallon jar
    that had held pickles a couple decades before. Infused it for exactly 12
    hours. Always started it at 8 AM and poured off the infusion at 8 PM
    that evening. She gave me a bunch of rules so detailed I expected to see
    them inscribed on stone tablets. Most were unnecessary, I later found
    while playing with the idea.

    Coarse-grind coffee, *soft* water, a big glass jar and time. I use a
    pound of coffee with enough water to make 4 liters total. I have a
    4-liter jug, otherwise I'd probably use a gallon jug and cut back
    slightly on the coffee. I like to do a 24 hour infusion on the kitchen
    counter. Pour the infusion through a paper coffee filter (I use the big
    commercial urn size left over from one of my restaurants in an enamel
    colander) and put into the fridge. Flavor stays very good for 5-7 days.
    After that, there's a noticeable fall-off in flavor, but it's still
    drinkable for maybe three more days.

    I use the concentrate as 1/4 to 1/3 of a cup of coffee. 1/4 cup
    concentrate to 3/4 cup hot water. Finish cream/sugar, etc. to suit.

    I tried it with hard water and it was bad; too sharp but not at all
    deep. Tried distilled - yuck; flat and uninteresting. Now I use our
    relatively soft well water. Works well.

    Pastorio

  10. I found a drip ice coffee maker similar to the ones I saw in Taiwan:

    http://www.creativecookware.com/ice_coffee_maker.htm

    Some of the ones I saw in hotels in Taiwan where enormous structures,
    five or six feet tall.

    --
    Clay Irving <[email hidden]>
    A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many bad
    measures.
    - Daniel Webster

  11. I found a drip ice coffee maker similar to the ones I saw in Taiwan:

    http://www.creativecookware.com/ice_coffee_maker.htm

    Some of the ones I saw in hotels in Taiwan where enormous structures,
    five or six feet tall.

    --
    Clay Irving <[email hidden]>
    A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many bad
    measures.
    - Daniel Webster

  12. "Bob (this one)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Peter, you really need to give cold-infused coffee a try. I make a coffee
    concentrate with cold water and long infusion times. I promise you it'll
    be eye-opening. The depth of flavor astonished me.

    A funny old country lady showed it to me. She made hers in a gallon jar
    that had held pickles a couple decades before. Infused it for exactly 12
    hours. Always started it at 8 AM and poured off the infusion at 8 PM that
    evening. She gave me a bunch of rules so detailed I expected to see them
    inscribed on stone tablets. Most were unnecessary, I later found while
    playing with the idea.

    Coarse-grind coffee, *soft* water, a big glass jar and time. I use a pound
    of coffee with enough water to make 4 liters total. I have a 4-liter jug,
    otherwise I'd probably use a gallon jug and cut back slightly on the
    coffee. I like to do a 24 hour infusion on the kitchen counter. Pour the
    infusion through a paper coffee filter (I use the big commercial urn size
    left over from one of my restaurants in an enamel colander) and put into
    the fridge. Flavor stays very good for 5-7 days. After that, there's a
    noticeable fall-off in flavor, but it's still drinkable for maybe three
    more days.

    I use the concentrate as 1/4 to 1/3 of a cup of coffee. 1/4 cup
    concentrate to 3/4 cup hot water. Finish cream/sugar, etc. to suit.

    I tried it with hard water and it was bad; too sharp but not at all deep.
    Tried distilled - yuck; flat and uninteresting. Now I use our relatively
    soft well water. Works well.

    Pastorio

    I am skeptical but will try. I love iced coffee and this would be an ideal
    way to make it without heat.

    --
    Peter Aitken
    Visit my recipe and kitchen myths page at www.pgacon.com/cooking.htm

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