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  1. Maybe this belongs in rec.bicycles.anatomical.weirdness instead. But:

    When I get in after a ride, my belly is cold. Specifically, the skin
    at the center of my abdomen, roughly a 6" diameter circle at and below
    my solar plexus, feels cold to the touch. My wife confirms that it
    feels cold, and we've noticed this for years. It doesn't seem to
    happen to her belly.

    Just now, after a short (17 mile) ride, I took out my new toy, an
    infra-red surface thermometer. Checking my skin temperatures at my
    quadriceps, my sides, my neck and my forehead all gave readings within
    a degree of 83 degrees F. But my belly was 72.8 F. I was riding in a
    thin long sleeved jersey and tights. It was about 65 degrees F
    outside.

    Anybody know what gives?

    - Frank Krygowski

  2. Quoted message said:

    Checking my skin temperatures at my
    quadriceps, my sides, my neck and my forehead all gave readings within
    a degree of 83 degrees F.  But my belly was 72.8 F.  I was riding in a
    thin long sleeved jersey and tights.  It was about 65 degrees F
    outside.

    Anybody know what gives?

    Fat, or lack of blood supply.

    Those are really the only two answers that make reasonable sense.

    E.P.

  3. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Maybe this belongs in rec.bicycles.anatomical.weirdness instead. But:

    When I get in after a ride, my belly is cold. Specifically, the skin
    at the center of my abdomen, roughly a 6" diameter circle at and below
    my solar plexus, feels cold to the touch. My wife confirms that it
    feels cold, and we've noticed this for years. It doesn't seem to
    happen to her belly.

    Just now, after a short (17 mile) ride, I took out my new toy, an
    infra-red surface thermometer. Checking my skin temperatures at my
    quadriceps, my sides, my neck and my forehead all gave readings within
    a degree of 83 degrees F. But my belly was 72.8 F. I was riding in a
    thin long sleeved jersey and tights. It was about 65 degrees F
    outside.

    Anybody know what gives?

    - Frank Krygowski


    I think you are way, way to concerned about it.

    I have little things that jus' ain't right with my body, but I can't find
    the warranty card.

    J.

  4. I get the same thing wherever there is a bit of fat on me (I'm quite
    lean). Localised vasoconstriction or just insulation from the fat
    while the rest of me heats up I don't know. I haven't really tried to
    work out what it is.

  5. Could this be the path to renewed research cold fusion? :-)

    Suspect it's a combination of fat insulation that part of the skin
    from body heat combined with the cooling effect of sweat evaporating.

  6. Quoted message said:

    Could this be the path to renewed research cold fusion? :-)

    Suspect it's a combination of fat insulation that part of the skin
    from body heat combined with the cooling effect of sweat evaporating.

    I originally thought it had to do with a layer of fat (although I'm
    not very fat). But one of the places I measured for direct comparison
    was my sides, AKA "love handles."

    There's quite a bit more fat there than on my belly, yet the
    temperature there is higher.

    Oh, and Jay: I'm not worried about it at all. Just curious.

    - Frank Krygowski

  7. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Could this be the path to renewed research cold fusion? :-)

    Quoted message said:

    Suspect it's a combination of fat insulation that part of the skin
    from body heat combined with the cooling effect of sweat evaporating.

    I originally thought it had to do with a layer of fat (although I'm
    not very fat). But one of the places I measured for direct comparison
    was my sides, AKA "love handles."

    There's quite a bit more fat there than on my belly, yet the
    temperature there is higher.

    Oh, and Jay: I'm not worried about it at all. Just curious.


    Btw Kraft vest seems to have been designed for pregnant people of
    either gender:
    i'd recommend it, it's well krafted. Though i could see how I could
    grow a belly,
    on top of it i don't think I'd ever have a set of double Ds, and,
    being a straight guy,
    I don't think silicone would look right up there and be of any value
    to the opposite sex.
    The swiss people have strange ideas about american riders unless I'm
    the only
    guy who thought of buying a Kraft vest. Is it unmanly to have a belly
    of the same
    temperature as the rest of your body? I like all of my bits warm.
    And no, that vest was not in the women's section of the Kraft catalog
    and no,
    I don't think I have a cross dressing streak.

  8. "Jay" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Maybe this belongs in rec.bicycles.anatomical.weirdness instead. But:

    When I get in after a ride, my belly is cold. Specifically, the skin
    at the center of my abdomen, roughly a 6" diameter circle at and below
    my solar plexus, feels cold to the touch. My wife confirms that it
    feels cold, and we've noticed this for years. It doesn't seem to
    happen to her belly.

    Just now, after a short (17 mile) ride, I took out my new toy, an
    infra-red surface thermometer. Checking my skin temperatures at my
    quadriceps, my sides, my neck and my forehead all gave readings within
    a degree of 83 degrees F. But my belly was 72.8 F. I was riding in a
    thin long sleeved jersey and tights. It was about 65 degrees F
    outside.

    Anybody know what gives?

    - Frank Krygowski


    I think you are way, way to concerned about it.


    obviously, that should have read '...way tooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
    concerned...'

    ....I need to speak with my proofreading staff...
    J.

  9. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Could this be the path to renewed research cold fusion? :-)

    Suspect it's a combination of fat insulation that part of the skin
    from body heat combined with the cooling effect of sweat evaporating.

    I originally thought it had to do with a layer of fat (although I'm
    not very fat). But one of the places I measured for direct comparison
    was my sides, AKA "love handles."

    There's quite a bit more fat there than on my belly, yet the
    temperature there is higher.

    Oh, and Jay: I'm not worried about it at all. Just curious.

    - Frank Krygowski


    I was immediately drawn to this thread, thinking RBT had figured out the
    'cold fusion' thing.

    I guess I'll go back to pondering dark matter, quarks, stuff like that.

    But it makes my head spin!

    J.

  10. "Jay" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Could this be the path to renewed research cold fusion? :-)

    Suspect it's a combination of fat insulation that part of the skin
    from body heat combined with the cooling effect of sweat evaporating.

    I originally thought it had to do with a layer of fat (although I'm
    not very fat). But one of the places I measured for direct comparison
    was my sides, AKA "love handles."

    There's quite a bit more fat there than on my belly, yet the
    temperature there is higher.

    Oh, and Jay: I'm not worried about it at all. Just curious.

    - Frank Krygowski


    I was immediately drawn to this thread, thinking RBT had figured out the
    'cold fusion' thing.

    I guess I'll go back to pondering dark matter, quarks, stuff like that.

    But it makes my head spin!

    J.


    How long does it take to get back to pre performance temperatures?
    reminds me of the saying having cold hands means you have a warm heart,
    in that case it would be good. right
    Except yours seems to be the reverse. maybe it means you are a greedy
    glutten for punishment. hohoho

  11. Quoted message said:

    Maybe this belongs in rec.bicycles.anatomical.weirdness instead. But:

    When I get in after a ride, my belly is cold. Specifically, the skin
    at the center of my abdomen, roughly a 6" diameter circle at and below
    my solar plexus, feels cold to the touch. My wife confirms that it
    feels cold, and we've noticed this for years. It doesn't seem to
    happen to her belly.

    Just now, after a short (17 mile) ride, I took out my new toy, an
    infra-red surface thermometer. Checking my skin temperatures at my
    quadriceps, my sides, my neck and my forehead all gave readings within
    a degree of 83 degrees F. But my belly was 72.8 F. I was riding in a
    thin long sleeved jersey and tights. It was about 65 degrees F
    outside.

    Anybody know what gives?

    - Frank Krygowski

    Dear Frank,

    A) Your underlying stomach muscles don't do much when you bicycle, so
    they don't warm up through exercise.

    B) The stomach muscles that aren't doing much in the first place are
    separated from the cold belly skin by a pad of fat, which is poorly
    vacularized and makes a great insulator.

    C) The belly skin separated by insulating fat from idle muscles is
    getting direct air cooling, so it chills down nicely.

    In contrast, your head and neck skin stay warm, even though they're
    out in the wind blast, because there's little insulating fat and
    because they get all the blood that they can handle. We lose heat so
    quickly from our over-vascularized, under-insulated heads that hats
    make a huge difference in staying warm. The enthusiastic blood supply
    is why even superficial head and neck wounds bleed profusely. (In
    contrast, fat bleeds very little.)

    The skin over your quads has little insulating fat to keep it chilled
    and it's warmed by the muscles working, so being in the wind blast
    doesn't chill your thighs nearly as much as it chills your belly.

    The sides usually have less fat than the belly pad, even with love
    handles. In any case, the side aren't as directly exposed to the wind
    blast and the muscles on the sides are used much more than the
    abdominals when you bicycle.

    For fun, use the remote thermometer to check the difference between
    the palm and the back of your hand when you're just sitting at a
    computer. The palm side has thicker skin and more blood supply and
    will be noticeably warmer.

    Years ago, I accidentally touched the top of a doctor's computer
    monitor in a cramped space with the inside of my forearm. It was much
    hotter than a monitor should have been, so I made a fuss and began
    checking things, but the monitor mysteriously cooled down as I
    examined it. The doctor listened to my puzzled explanation about his
    strangely hot monitor magically cooling off and pointed out that the
    skin on the forearm is actuallly much thinner and therefore more
    sensitive than the thick pads on the palm--things feel hotter on your
    toughened, calloused hand, even though you'd think that it was
    delicate.

    The effect is exaggerated by the fact that the palm of the hand is
    already a few degrees warmer than the forearm.

    For what it's worth, my dog's belly is about 72F, the top of his head
    is about 80F, so are his sides, and his paw pads are around 90F. He's
    just lying on his side, not bicycling, no windstream.

    Cheers,

    Carl Fogel

  12. Quoted message said:

    Maybe this belongs in rec.bicycles.anatomical.weirdness instead. But:

    When I get in after a ride, my belly is cold. Specifically, the skin
    at the center of my abdomen, roughly a 6" diameter circle at and below
    my solar plexus, feels cold to the touch. My wife confirms that it
    feels cold, and we've noticed this for years. It doesn't seem to
    happen to her belly.

    Just now, after a short (17 mile) ride, I took out my new toy, an
    infra-red surface thermometer. Checking my skin temperatures at my
    quadriceps, my sides, my neck and my forehead all gave readings within
    a degree of 83 degrees F. But my belly was 72.8 F. I was riding in a
    thin long sleeved jersey and tights. It was about 65 degrees F
    outside.

    Anybody know what gives?

    - Frank Krygowski

    This happens to me all the time, even when it's warm out. I always
    figured it had to do with a combination of sweat running down from my
    chest and wind. On the bike, that seems that part of the body seems
    to get a disproportionate amount of evaporative cooling for the work
    it's doing.

  13. Quoted message said:


    The sides usually have less fat than the belly pad, even with love
    handles.

    In my case, I don't believe this is true. And as I cycle, those
    muscles at the lower sides don't seem to do any more than my abs do.
    I'm still puzzled.

    Quoted message said:

    For what it's worth, my dog's belly is about 72F, the top of his head
    is about 80F, so are his sides, and his paw pads are around 90F. He's
    just lying on his side...

    .... wondering "What the hell is my owner doing to me _now_???"

    - Frank Krygowski

  14. Quoted message said:


    This happens to me all the time, even when it's warm out.

    Yes, me too. I don't recall whether it happens even when it's
    extremely hot, but I think it does.

    - Frank Krygowski

  15. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    The sides usually have less fat than the belly pad, even with love
    handles.

    In my case, I don't believe this is true. And as I cycle, those
    muscles at the lower sides don't seem to do any more than my abs do.
    I'm still puzzled.

    Quoted message said:

    For what it's worth, my dog's belly is about 72F, the top of his head
    is about 80F, so are his sides, and his paw pads are around 90F. He's
    just lying on his side...

    ... wondering "What the hell is my owner doing to me _now_???"

    - Frank Krygowski

    Dear Frank,

    The fat covering the belly muscle is pretty much the deepest fat and
    the last to go.

    When you see body builders with six-pack abs, it's because they've
    lost enough body fat for the well-developed muscles underneath to
    show.

    The muscles on the sides keep you from falling over to either side,
    while the belly muscle can only do a sit-up--and the sides have far
    less wind blast for their area. You could think of it in terms of
    radiators mounted on the front and the sides of a car.

    In the end, it's a matter of blood supply providing warmth versus
    whatever is cooling things off. Belly skin is right in the wind blast,
    it's insulated from the muscles by a layer of poorly vascularized fat,
    and the muscles underneath aren't doing much to demand hot blood or to
    generate heat.

    With the hand, the cooler back of the hand has thin skin over
    practically nothing but tendons and bone--the blood vessels are mostly
    veins, draining blood that already gave up heat on the palm.

    As for the dog, he's merely semi-comatose, as usual, with a vaguely
    satisfied impression that his servants are indeed constantly attentive
    to his every need.

    Cheers,

    Carl Fogel

  16. I'm not sure what gives, but that is obviously the place you should
    mount that oil cooler.

  17. "DennisTheBald" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I'm not sure what gives, but that is obviously the place you should
    mount that oil cooler.

    and I would just theorize that the sweat from your head, neck, and chest
    ends up there, along with facing the wind would cool it off more than what
    the muscles there require so it is below average to the rest of the body.
    Secondly, The arms, legs, hands, neck, hips, and back work harder than
    your stationery stomach so they get all the blood to work with and also be
    warmed up by. do you wear coolmax tops?

    Ciao

  18. Quoted message said:

    I originally thought it had to do with a layer of fat (although I'm
    not very fat).  But one of the places I measured for direct comparison
    was my sides, AKA "love handles."

    There's quite a bit more fat there than on my belly, yet the
    temperature there is higher.

    The fatty skin on the sides has less air blowing across it than your
    belly. If you ride with any lean forward, much of the air hitting your
    upper chest is diverted down to the crease of your hips. The sides
    just get the normal airflow streaming off your body. I've noticed the
    same phenomenon at colder temperatures where I can still ride with a
    jersey untucked. The cold air blows in and cools that area more than
    anywhere else. I've found that bib shorts help immensely in keeping
    this part warm in colder weather.

  19. smn said:

    do you wear coolmax tops?

    I think I have some coolmax, but this one was wool.

    - Frank Krygowski

  20. Quoted message said:

    When I get in after a ride, my belly is cold. Specifically, the skin
    at the center of my abdomen, roughly a 6" diameter circle at and below
    my solar plexus, feels cold to the touch. My wife confirms that it
    feels cold, and we've noticed this for years. It doesn't seem to
    happen to her belly.

    Just now, after a short (17 mile) ride, I took out my new toy, an
    infra-red surface thermometer. Checking my skin temperatures at my
    quadriceps, my sides, my neck and my forehead all gave readings within
    a degree of 83 degrees F. But my belly was 72.8 F. I was riding in a
    thin long sleeved jersey and tights. It was about 65 degrees F
    outside.

    Anybody know what gives?

    Well, none of the other theories really make sense to me, so I'll
    invent a new one.

    I suspect the position of your belly is such that the jersey lies flat
    against that spot, and so you have no insulating air space right
    there. You've probably got enough air flowing through the jersey to
    evaporate a disproportional (relative to the rest of your abdomen)
    amount of sweat from that area, leading to excess cooling.
    Alternatively, the sweat conducts heat through the jersey to the
    surface, and it's evaporated there.

    I notice something similar under a couple of conditions; either cool
    with no wind jacket, or a good bit colder with a jacket, when I don't
    control moisture well and end up with a good sweat. Doesn't happen
    when it's really cold, and I have an extra pile layer between jersey
    and jacket, IME.

    Pat

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