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  1. zippy said:

    I would think so, poss behind the seat.

    What is pissing me off is, i'm still after a quote form UDC for a UDC
    coker with coker tyre and powered black frame and airfoil rim.

    still nothing.

    Ring them and have a chat.

    Cathy

    PS All this talk of you buying a coker makes me want one again too.
    After managing to convince myself I didn't want one. Damn. Damn.

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  2. sure 3rd time lucky, and we'll see :o

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  3. Why put HS33's on a 36" wheel?

    Although Magura's are very flexible and smooth brakes they are less
    than ideal for a big wheel. Big wheel flex, especially should you take
    them off-road, however wide your hub is and tight your spokes are.
    Magura brakes do not have the ability to absorb movement in a rim. A
    good set of V brakes are considerably cheaper and have the ability to
    drift with the wheel. They also have the option for adapting into drag
    brakes which is a great way to ride hills on a big wheel.
    The other thing that should be noted is that V-brakes are not a problem
    for catching your legs on big wheels.

    Just my 2p worth.

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  4. maybe in practice but on paper it doesn't, the hydraulic system uses a
    reservoir so if the rim flexes the pressure put on 1 side of the
    mangura brake will transfer to the other balancing the pressure the
    pads makes.

    Now the question is how smooth are the brakes and can they handle that?

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  5. I am talking in practise.

    I have a CrMo Blizzard frame with Magura's on. There is not enough
    movement on them to compensate when you are off road. It is just a
    physical thing there is only 5mm movement maximum before you hit the
    body of the magura mounts.

    Good V-brakes are very smooth. Look at all the mountain bikes with
    them on. Remember the bigger the wheel the smoother it gets.

    Roger

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  6. yeah did say, just like to know why, and shame they mount hit 🙁

    If you get a chance can you email me a price for UDC coker with powered
    black and airfoil rim plz, i'm still waiting 🙁

    thx

    Damien
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  7. zippy said:

    yeah did say, just like to know why, and shame they mount hit 🙁

    If you get a chance can you email me a price for UDC coker with powered
    black and airfoil rim plz, i'm still waiting 🙁

    Patience, patience.

    Mike

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  8. Sorry we are a bit behind in the office.... we still have not put the
    warehouse back together after BUC!

    I am in the office now building wheels that have to go out tomorrow.
    Damien, just give me a call and I can go through the options.

    Roger

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  9. i got next day delievry on my cranks and hub i was happy

    well done UDC

    shame the rubbish LBS isnt as fast... there taking forever and they
    still havnt startd to build my wheel

    anywho thanks roger

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  10. cathwood said:

    I have a random coker question.
    Can you fit them in the back of the car? If not, how do you usually
    transport them?

    Cathy

    My coker fits in the backseat of my Toyota Corolla. I lay it
    vertically across the seats...part of the wheel is down near the floor
    though and one crank is on the middle of the backseat and the other
    goes in between the drivers seat and the passenger seat.

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  11. rogeratunicycledotcom said:


    Good V-brakes are very smooth. Look at all the mountain bikes with
    them on. Remember the bigger the wheel the smoother it gets.

    I've got some rubbish v-brake on my Schlumpf, cos I had to get hold of
    it on he same day as I was going to a race. Even that works really
    well, and feels at least as good as maguras.

    The only problem with my cheap rubbish v-brake is that the mount on the
    brake where the cable goes in is further out, so it can hit your legs
    when hopping.

    Joe McLean has good shimano v-brakes on his muni, and they just felt
    soooo smooth when I had a try. They take a bit of setting up, but you
    only have to do that once.

    Joe

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  12. rogeratunicycledotcom said:

    Why put HS33's on a 36" wheel?

    This is a question close to my heart, so I'm glad you asked it! 🙂

    [quote="rogeratunicycledotcom"]Big wheel[s] flex, especially should you take them off-road, however
    wide your hub is and tight your spokes are.[/quote]


    After a year's worth of experimentation about 3 years ago, I was able
    to make the flex of the 36" size insignificant from the viewpoint of
    braking. I've found this personally true riding, and haven't had a
    single complaint about it from a customer. In other words, I can
    adjust the brake for essentially normal operation, and not have brake
    rub on ascents or during idling.


    rogeratunicycledotcom said:

    Magura brakes do not have the ability to absorb movement in a rim.




    Actually they do. Measuring last night I found about 8mm of total
    lateral movement possible. I doubt that a V-brake will track more than
    that, although I have not yet had the chance to investigate this.
    However, 8mm of lateral movement is an indication of a problem with the
    wheel, not a desirable normal operating condition. I must add, though,
    that I don't yet have a way to measure flex during riding, and I
    haven't heard of a method being employed (at least at this point) by
    anyone else.

    When Maguras track the rim, they do it perpendicular to the rim
    surface, which is ideal. When V-brakes track the rim, they change
    angle with respect to the rim surface.

    In addition, Maguras track with equal pressure on both sides of the
    rim, since the force is transmitted hydraulically. With V-brakes, the
    pressure changes asymmetrically, since each side of the brake's spring
    tension is adjusted independently.


    rogeratunicycledotcom said:

    They[V-brakes] also have the option for adapting into drag brakes which
    is a great way to ride hills on a big wheel.




    This is a weakness of the current Magura technology. However, some
    riders have had good success with manipulating the manual adjustment on
    the brake lever to achieve a drag action. I have been able to do this,
    but found (on the 2004 and earlier models) that it was a little
    awkward.

    In contrast, setting up a drag brake on a unicycle is not as trivial as
    one might think. The drag-specific components, pulled from the bike
    world, are not designed for braking, and achieving a smooth action
    cable-wise can be quite a challenge (as in hours and hours of cutting,
    recutting, extra cable, many brake adjustments, and the like). This is
    especially true for the portion of the cable that enters the noodle
    area. Often this leads to a large lateral footprint for the brake,
    which may interfere with mounting and dismounting.

    'Here' (http://tinyurl.com/mhqlx) is a gallery of photos of a 29er with
    a non-drag V-brake. It seems like a trivial, clean setup. But adding
    or switching to a drag option would not be as straightforward, because
    the release action is not as clean as with a normal brake.


    rogeratunicycledotcom said:

    The other thing that should be noted is that V-brakes are not a problem
    for catching your legs on big wheels.



    The Magura brake-leg interface is the smoothest, cleanest available.
    There are only rounded edges, smooth surfaces, and smooth cable
    interfaces in the area of the leg. In contrast, V-brakes contain lots
    of leg-grabbers.

    Roger may have meant that, on big wheels, the brakes are out of the way
    so that leg-grabbing is not possible. This may be true on certain
    frames if one stays away from mounting, SIF, and hopping, but in
    general this is not true.


    Finally, although I have not had the chance to spend a lot of time and
    money on this, finding a set of quality V-brakes that will match the
    36" frame/tire dimensions is nearly impossible. The only success I
    have had so far was with the Odyssey 1999, which is a cheap brake,
    difficult to adjust, and suitable only for certain frames. Maguras are
    a breeze to adjust with a little practice. V-brakes on the 36" size
    also tend to have almost zero clearance above the tire.

    Finding a good V-brake for a 36" is an area I need to investigate, and
    would be glad to hear suggestions. However, for everything except the
    drag brake option, the Maguras outshine V-brakes. Having a drag brake
    option for Maguras would be icing on the cake.


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  13. U-Turn said:


    After a year's worth of experimentation about 3 years ago, I was able
    to make the flex of the 36" size insignificant from the viewpoint of
    braking. I've found this personally true riding, and haven't had a
    single complaint about it from a customer. In other words, I can
    adjust the brake for essentially normal operation, and not have brake
    rub on ascents or during idling.

    This may be yours, not mine. When riding off road, I can get the body
    of my maguras to touch the wheel. This is with a VERY tight wheel and
    a VERY rigid frame. It is not with normal off road riding, but when
    racing at the mountain mayhem where I am really riding hard the brakes
    were throwing me off on tight corners. At first I could not believe
    this but after several checks, this proved to be the case. I use
    Magura's as I have for the last 4 years, but not when I am racing in
    this event.

    Quoted message said:

    I must add, though, that I don't yet have a way to measure flex during
    riding, and I haven't heard of a method being employed (at least at
    this point) by anyone else.

    As I say how about touching the body of the casing... this is a pretty
    exact measurement! :-)

    Quoted message said:

    When Maguras track the rim, they do it perpendicular to the rim surface,
    which is ideal. When V-brakes track the rim, they change angle with
    respect to the rim surface.

    In addition, Maguras track with equal pressure on both sides of the
    rim, since the force is transmitted hydraulically. With V-brakes, the
    pressure changes asymmetrically, since each side of the brake's spring
    tension is adjusted independently.

    All true, but remember what we are trying to do. It is slow the wheel
    down in a progressive manor.
    a) It is not a problem brake block applying force at an angle at the
    lower pressure points. It is when the brake is applied hard that the
    whole brake must be applied to the brake surface and of course they
    will be with any braking system. If anything this will help with the
    progressiveness of the braking.
    b) Asymmetrical braking does not affect anything at all... if anything
    it helps as it gives a more progressive brake.

    Quoted message said:

    In contrast, setting up a drag brake on a unicycle is not as trivial as
    one might think.

    Drag brakes were the first brakes fitted to unicycles... partly because
    they were so easy to set-up! You simply use a ratcheted bar end gear
    lever fitted in the end of a bar end clamped to your seat. Cabling is
    simple and clean, it is also stupidly simple adjustment/setup. It is
    best with canter-lever brakes, which also alleviate the leg catching
    problem and is by way and far the easiest brake to fit as it only
    requires a single 6mm hole drilled in the frame.

    Quoted message said:

    The Magura brake-leg interface is the smoothest, cleanest available.
    There are only rounded edges, smooth surfaces, and smooth cable
    interfaces in the area of the leg. In contrast, V-brakes contain lots
    of leg-grabbers.

    I was specifically talking about 36" wheels here,this is defiantly a
    problem with smaller wheels. It is certainly not as clean as Maguras,
    but feedback I have is that the V-brakes on a 36" is that they are not
    a major problem.

    Quoted message said:

    Having a drag brake option for Maguras would be icing on the cake.

    Along with having them at 1/5th the price. :-)

    It is not that Maguras are not good brakes, they are, they are superb.
    Although they do have a couple of disadvantages and V-brakes are
    cheaper.

    On a side point... I was talking to Amy Drummond and she was telling me
    that it is becoming progressively harder to purchase the long arm
    V-brakes needed for unicycles in the US. So there may not be a choice
    soon other than to use Magura's.

    Roger

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  14. How about this:

    Short person's coker frame (powder coated lilac/purple)
    The rest of the UDC 36" unicycle
    Black pinned pedals
    Gel seat
    Smooth tyre
    140mm cranks
    and, hopefully, GB4 handle.

    Can't wait

    Cathy

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