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  1. In article <[email hidden]>,

    SMS said:
    still just me said:

    I would disagree. It's not evil, but neither is it what you suggested.
    A certain amount of caffeine has been shown to have a beneficial
    effect on muscle stimulation during exercise - so much so that I know
    some Olympic level trainers suggesting that a cup of coffee before
    working out is not a bad thing. However, it's also a diuretic - which
    for most people is an issue without compensating intake of additional
    water.

    The "diuretic" myth is probably one of the biggest fallacies about
    coffee. The logic goes like this: Diuretics cause dehydration. Caffeine
    is a diuretic. Coffee contains caffeine. Hence drinking coffee causes
    dehydration. The flaw in this logic is that coffee is NOT mostly
    caffeine, it is mostly water. The water provides hydration, while the
    small amount of caffeine has negligible or no effect. Even weak
    alcoholic beverages like beer don't cause dehydration as the amount of
    water is so great that the small amount of alcohol doesn't increase
    urination all that much (I know the old storing of renting beer, not
    buying it).

    The poison is in the dose. The amount of water in the beer
    is irrelevant. Alcohol interferes with the action
    of ADH (antidiuretic hormone) on the kidney.
    As long as EtOH is in the system
    the kidneys pass more water than they normally would,
    changing the ionic balance in tissue and fluids.

    <http://www.tuberose.com/Kidneys.html>

    --
    Michael Press

  2. In article <yISdnbz7tsUXY73VnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@plusnet>,

    Clive George said:

    "SMS" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Even weak alcoholic beverages like beer don't cause dehydration as the
    amount of water is so great that the small amount of alcohol doesn't
    increase urination all that much (I know the old storing of renting beer,
    not buying it).

    Eh? What's a hangover then? What's the standard preemptive tactic?

    Vitamin B12 injection.

    --
    Michael Press

  3. Clive George said:

    Dehydration is the biggie - even beer will leave you dehydrated as
    normally you'll [censored] more than you drink.

    This is not true.

    The Encyclopaedia of Sports Medicine states that in a test of 0% alcohol
    fluid, 59% of the fluid was retained after six hours, while for 4%
    alcohol, 40% of the fluid was retained (4% alcohol content is typical
    for non-light beer). You're falling for the same myth of dehydration
    that many people believe is true for coffee too, though at least for
    alcoholic beverages it's true that a lower percentage of it is retained
    than for non-alcoholic beverages.

    The problem with beer is that it doesn't contain enough electrolytes for
    proper rehydration, and the Encyclopaedia of Sports Medicine warns
    that even light beer has this problem.

  4. Michael Press said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    SMS said:
    still just me said:

    I would disagree. It's not evil, but neither is it what you suggested.
    A certain amount of caffeine has been shown to have a beneficial
    effect on muscle stimulation during exercise - so much so that I know
    some Olympic level trainers suggesting that a cup of coffee before
    working out is not a bad thing. However, it's also a diuretic - which
    for most people is an issue without compensating intake of additional
    water.


    The "diuretic" myth is probably one of the biggest fallacies about
    coffee. The logic goes like this: Diuretics cause dehydration. Caffeine
    is a diuretic. Coffee contains caffeine. Hence drinking coffee causes
    dehydration. The flaw in this logic is that coffee is NOT mostly
    caffeine, it is mostly water. The water provides hydration, while the
    small amount of caffeine has negligible or no effect. Even weak
    alcoholic beverages like beer don't cause dehydration as the amount of
    water is so great that the small amount of alcohol doesn't increase
    urination all that much (I know the old storing of renting beer, not
    buying it).

    The poison is in the dose. The amount of water in the beer
    is irrelevant. Alcohol interferes with the action
    of ADH (antidiuretic hormone) on the kidney.
    As long as EtOH is in the system
    the kidneys pass more water than they normally would,
    changing the ionic balance in tissue and fluids.

    Right, but some people apparently believe that the more beer you drink,
    the more dehydrated you become. This isn't true. You retain less of the
    fluids than for non-alcoholic beverages (40% versus 59%) for the reasons
    that you state. But it's not a net negative.

  5. SMS said:


    Michael Press said:


    As long as EtOH is in the system
    the kidneys pass more water than they normally would,
    changing the ionic balance in tissue and fluids.

    Right, but some people apparently believe that the more beer you drink,
    the more dehydrated you become. This isn't true. You retain less of the
    fluids than for non-alcoholic beverages (40% versus 59%) for the reasons
    that you state. But it's not a net negative.

    It's true. I think Hunrobe observed it about himself here before, but
    occasionally I have also gone for days on end without taking in any
    liquids other than those with caffeine or alcohol in them. It may not
    be a healthful equilibrium befitting an Olympian, but neither did it
    result in me dehydrating myself into an uncomfortable state.

    I think I'll have another beer.

    Chalo

  6. Chalo said:

    It's true. I think Hunrobe observed it about himself here before, but
    occasionally I have also gone for days on end without taking in any
    liquids other than those with caffeine or alcohol in them. It may not
    be a healthful equilibrium befitting an Olympian, but neither did it
    result in me dehydrating myself into an uncomfortable state.

    What happens is people get confused about coffee versus caffeine, and
    beer (or wine) versus alcohol.

    Quoted message said:

    I think I'll have another beer.

    Make it a Guinness.

  7. On Tue, 06 May 2008 17:51:06 -0700, SMS <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    The "diuretic" myth is probably one of the biggest fallacies about
    coffee.

    I stand (sit) corrected. I've found enough studies to agree with your
    conclusion that the effects are minimal.

    You should still quite drinking coffee. It's staining your teeth. :-)

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