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Ah, I smell scientology here. With the advent of modern
scanning technology the differing brain patterns of folk
with various mental illnesses can be observed, contrary to
one claim on the original post. This is not to say that the
"therapy" field doesn't have it's problems in scientific
validity, just that rlh needed some meds big time.

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Ah, I smell scientology here. With the advent of modern
scanning technology the differing brain patterns of folk
with various mental illnesses can be observed, contrary to
one claim on the original post.

This is misleading. Scans can show differences in many
people, whether labelled with a "mental illness" or not. But
no disorder, as defined by the APA's DSM IV, has been shown
to be due to a brain abnormality. To claim that mental
disorders are medical in nature is faith, not science.

Psi

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The scien(not)tology snake bites it's tail, tautology and
all. The scan research is not tied to the ada diagnostic
manual and your remarks are thus irrelevant. The point was
that abnormal brain process can be observed. Lrh would have
had an interesting scan, no?

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Ah, I smell scientology here. With the advent of modern
scanning technology the differing brain patterns of folk
with various mental illnesses can be observed, contrary
to one claim on the original post.

This is misleading. Scans can show differences in many
people, whether labelled with a "mental illness" or not.
But no disorder, as defined by the APA's DSM IV, has
been shown to be due to a brain abnormality. To claim
that mental disorders are medical in nature is faith,
not science.

Psi

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Propaganda

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Ah, I smell scientology here.

Psi reeks from the Kriminal Kult of $cientology.

With the advent of modern scanning

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technology the differing brain patterns of folk with
various mental illnesses can be observed, contrary to one
claim on the original post. This is not to say that the
"therapy" field doesn't have it's problems in scientific
validity, just that rlh needed some meds big time.

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Ah, I smell scientology here. With the advent of modern
scanning technology the differing brain patterns of folk
with various mental illnesses can be observed, contrary
to one claim on the original post.

This is misleading. Scans can show differences in many
people, whether labelled with a "mental illness" or not.
But no disorder, as defined by the APA's DSM IV, has
been shown to be due to a brain abnormality. To claim
that mental disorders are medical in nature is faith,
not science.

No, this has actually been done with PET scans of
schizophrenics who were in the midst of hallucinations.
Their brains were doing unusual things, to say the least.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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Ah, I smell scientology here. With the advent of modern
scanning technology the differing brain patterns of folk
with various mental illnesses can be observed, contrary
to one claim on the original post.

This is misleading. Scans can show differences in many
people, whether labelled with a "mental illness" or not.
But no disorder, as defined by the APA's DSM IV, has been
shown to be due to a brain abnormality. To claim that
mental disorders are medical in nature is faith, not
science.

No, this has actually been done with PET scans of
schizophrenics who were in the midst of hallucinations.
Their brains were doing unusual things, to say the least.

David,

There was an interesting program on television that showed
the similarities between seizures, heart fibrullation and
chaos modelling/theory. Did you see that program?

r

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Moreover, even in the absence of psychosis there clearly are
differences in schizophrenic brains, such differences,
though to a lesser degree, can even be found in first degree
relatives, the same is true of a number of other neuro
related pathologies.

The cranks are loose again.

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Ah, I smell scientology here. With the advent of modern
scanning technology the differing brain patterns of
folk with various mental illnesses can be observed,
contrary to one claim on the original post.

This is misleading. Scans can show differences in many
people, whether labelled with a "mental illness" or not.
But no disorder, as defined by the APA's DSM IV, has been
shown to be due to a brain abnormality. To claim that
mental disorders are medical in nature is faith, not
science.

No, this has actually been done with PET scans of
schizophrenics who were in the midst of hallucinations.
Their brains were doing unusual things, to say the least.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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Ah, I smell scientology here. With the advent of modern
scanning technology the differing brain patterns of
folk with various mental illnesses can be observed,
contrary to one claim on the original post.

This is misleading. Scans can show differences in many
people, whether labelled with a "mental illness" or not.
But no disorder, as defined by the APA's DSM IV, has been
shown to be due to a brain abnormality. To claim that
mental disorders are medical in nature is faith, not
science.

No, this has actually been done with PET scans of
schizophrenics who were in the midst of hallucinations.
Their brains were doing unusual things, to say the least.

So what? Brain chemistry is affected by emotion. As I said
before, scans can show differences in many people, whether
labelled with a "mental illness" or not. But there is no
conclusive evidence that such an "illness" stems from a
biological or neurological disease.

Psi

Again, this is misleading. The only differences that have
been found are between those who have been "medicated" and
those who haven't. Neuroleptics, antipsychotics, are
intensely dangerous drugs and, like any other drug, indeed
interfere with the brain's normal chemistry. The
"medication" itself is the only variable.

No study has proven any biological, neurological or genetic
link as a basis for a "mental illness". The APA, NAMI and
the NIMH have been asked for evidence countless times and
have yet to provide anyone with anything. To their credit,
the APA do actually admit it at the front of their DSM. But
to its practitioners, such a disclaimer is rarely noted when
it comes to treatment.

Psi

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Moreover, even in the absence of psychosis there clearly
are differences in schizophrenic brains, such differences,
though to a lesser degree, can even be found in first
degree relatives, the same is true of a number of other
neuro related pathologies.

The cranks are loose again.

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> Ah, I smell scientology here. With the advent of
> modern scanning technology the differing brain
> patterns of folk with various mental illnesses can be
> observed, contrary to one claim on the original post.

This is misleading. Scans can show differences in many
people, whether labelled with a "mental illness" or
not. But no disorder, as defined by the APA's DSM IV,
has been shown to be due to a brain abnormality. To
claim that mental disorders are medical in nature is
faith, not science.

No, this has actually been done with PET scans of
schizophrenics who were in the midst of hallucinations.
Their brains were doing unusual things, to say the
least.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are
my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because
giants were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson,
MIT)

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Again, this is misleading. The only differences that have
been found are between those who have been "medicated" and
those who haven't. Neuroleptics, antipsychotics, are
intensely dangerous drugs and, like any other drug, indeed
interfere with the brain's normal chemistry. The
"medication" itself is the only variable.

No study has proven any biological, neurological or genetic
link as a basis for a "mental illness".

(beats moron's head with another can of peaches) (beats
moron's head with a third can of peaches).

How can you make such a demented statement without the
slightest attempt to check whether it is true?

It is sufficient to falsify ONE or your assertions: this is
one of many articles showing a genetic link.

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<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<-
<<<<<<<<< 5-HTT (Serotonin Transporter/SERT)

The serotonin transport protein 5-HTT (another name for
serotonin is 5-hydroxy- tryptamine) has been implicated in
depression and some other human mental disorders. Serotonin
is an important neurotransmitter -- one of the short-range
signaling molecules with which one neuron communicates with
another. Serotonin seems to be involved in reducing the
level of stress hormones in stress-provoking situations. The
job of 5-HTT is to transport serotonin back into the cell
after its message has been delivered. (This is sort of like
hanging up the telephone, so that somebody else can call
you.) 5-HTT also appears to be a target of stimulants like
"ecstasy" and cocaine, and of antidepressants. The protein
is a large membrane protein with 12 transmembrane domains.

In a long-range study that followed a single group of people
from the age of 3 to 26 years, investigators observed that
people who had inherited one of two forms of the 5-HTT gene
seemed to be more susceptible to depression following
stressful conditions like changes in their relationships,
jobs, or financial situations. However, the difference is
not in the part of the gene that encodes the structure of
the protein, which is the same in both forms of the gene.
The difference lies in the structure of the promoter -- the
regulatory region that turns the gene on and off. One
promoter region is longer than the other. The gene is less
active in individuals with shorter promoter.

The 5-HTT gene is located on the long arm of human
chromosome 17 (17q11.2). The short allele is found in about
half of Caucasians. Even a single copy of the shortened 5-
HTT gene seems to make its carriers more likely to
experience stress-induced depression. The short form of the
disease does not directly cause depression, but lower levels
of the transporter may lead to less efficient management of
stress-related hormone levels. The possible role of the gene
in other disorders, like alcoholism, anxiety, obsessive-
compulsive disorder and sudden-infant- death-syndrome has
also been studied.

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[email hidden] wrote in message news:<[email hidden]-
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> Ah, I smell scientology here. With the advent of modern
> scanning technology the differing brain patterns of
> folk with various mental illnesses can be observed,
> contrary to one claim on the original post.

This is misleading. Scans can show differences in many
people, whether labelled with a "mental illness" or not.
But no disorder, as defined by the APA's DSM IV, has been
shown to be due to a brain abnormality. To claim that
mental disorders are medical in nature is faith, not
science.

No, this has actually been done with PET scans of
schizophrenics who were in the midst of hallucinations.
Their brains were doing unusual things, to say the least.

David,

There was an interesting program on television that showed
the similarities between seizures, heart fibrullation and
chaos modelling/theory. Did you see that program?

I'm afraid I didn't. But I could certainly believe it.

That actually leads into the exploding of one common myth:
that we only "use 10% of our brains." The only time anyone
is using 100% of their brain (all the neurons firing) is
during a grand mal epileptic seizure.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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Psi said:

[email hidden] (David Wright) wrote in message
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<[email hidden]>, Psi

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[email hidden] wrote in message news:<[email hidden]-
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> Ah, I smell scientology here. With the advent of
> modern scanning technology the differing brain
> patterns of folk with various mental illnesses can be
> observed, contrary to one claim on the original post.

This is misleading. Scans can show differences in many
people, whether labelled with a "mental illness" or not.
But no disorder, as defined by the APA's DSM IV, has
been shown to be due to a brain abnormality. To claim
that mental disorders are medical in nature is faith,
not science.

No, this has actually been done with PET scans of
schizophrenics who were in the midst of hallucinations.
Their brains were doing unusual things, to say the least.

So what? Brain chemistry is affected by emotion. As I said
before, scans can show differences in many people, whether
labelled with a "mental illness" or not. But there is no
conclusive evidence that such an "illness" stems from a
biological or neurological disease.

Who said anything about brain chemistry? When a
schizophrenic is actively hallucinating, the parts of his
brain that register, for example, hearing speech light up --
even though nobody in the room is talking. So he really is
hearing voices -- but they're being generated by his own
brain. Non-schizophrenics don't exhibit this behavior.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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Again, this is misleading. The only differences that have
been found are between those who have been "medicated" and
those who haven't. Neuroleptics, antipsychotics, are
intensely dangerous drugs and, like any other drug, indeed
interfere with the brain's normal chemistry. The
"medication" itself is the only variable.

NO, the first degree relatives never have received
medication.

Neuropsychopharmacology. 2003 Dec;28(12):2184-91.

Effects of nicotine on leading saccades during smooth
pursuit eye movements in smokers and nonsmokers with
schizophrenia.

Avila MT, Sherr JD, Hong E, Myers CS, Thaker GK.

Maryland Psychiatric Research Center, University of Maryland
School of Medicine, Baltimore, MD 21228, USA.
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Several studies have shown that schizophrenic patients
and their biological relatives generate a greater number
of leading saccades during smooth pursuit eye movement
(SPEM) tasks.

J Am Acad Child Adolesc Psychiatry. 2003 Apr;42(4):468-76.
Related Articles, Links

Early expression of a pathophysiological feature of
schizophrenia: saccadic intrusions into smooth-pursuit eye
movements in school-age children vulnerable to
schizophrenia.

RESULTS: Children with schizophrenia demonstrated poorer
gain and a significantly increased frequency of leading
saccades and large anticipatory saccades; however, only
leading saccades differentiated first-degree relatives from
typical children. Admixture analysis indicates that 94% of
children with schizophrenia, 50% of first-degree relatives,
and 19% of typically developing children have abnormally
increased frequencies of leading saccades.

Schizophr Res. 2002 Mar 1;54(1-2):105-10. Related
Articles, Links

Eye movement and neuropsychological studies in first-degree
relatives of schizophrenic patients.

The results obtained confirm those of other studies pointing
to the presence of a significant impairment on oculomotor
and neuropsychological tests in first-degree nonpsychotic
relatives (parents) of schizophrenic patients, which may be
used as an endophenotypic markers of genetic predisposition
to schizophrenia.

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I'm not going to waste any more time going through the data,
as you are so interested in this problem I suggest that
instead of reading news releases or read the primary
research. The above is but one example, if you bother to
research other conditions get ready to be surprised.

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No study has proven any biological, neurological or
genetic link as a basis for a "mental illness".

The 5ht link vis a vis depression, well established genetic
study. Just found a gene linkage for Parkinson's disease.
Explain why so many psychiatric conditions run in families,
and don't give the environmental argument because we are
talking about relatives also.

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>> Ah, I smell scientology here. With the advent of
>> modern scanning technology the differing brain
>> patterns of folk with various mental illnesses can
>> be observed, contrary to one claim on the original
>> post.
>
>This is misleading. Scans can show differences in many
>people, whether labelled with a "mental illness" or
>not. But no disorder, as defined by the APA's DSM IV,
>has been shown to be due to a brain abnormality. To
>claim that mental disorders are medical in nature is
>faith, not science.

No, this has actually been done with PET scans of
schizophrenics who were in the midst of hallucinations.
Their brains were doing unusual things, to say the
least.

So what? Brain chemistry is affected by emotion. As I
said before, scans can show differences in many people,
whether labelled with a "mental illness" or not. But
there is no conclusive evidence that such an "illness"
stems from a biological or neurological disease.

Who said anything about brain chemistry? When a
schizophrenic is actively hallucinating, the parts of his
brain that register, for example, hearing speech light up
-- even though nobody in the room is talking. So he really
is hearing voices -- but they're being generated by his
own brain. Non-schizophrenics don't exhibit this behavior.

Sure, but I hope you're not suggesting that this is in
someway "evidence" that schizophrenia is a physical
disease...

Psi

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The scien(not)tology snake bites it's tail, tautology and
all. The scan research is not tied to the ada diagnostic
manual and your remarks are thus irrelevant. The point was
that abnormal brain process can be observed. Lrh would
have had an interesting scan, no?

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Even more interesting may be the state of civil or uncivil
minds in the coming election.

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> In article
> <[email hidden]>, Psi
> <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >[email hidden] wrote in message news:<[email hidden]-
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> >> Ah, I smell scientology here. With the advent of
> >> modern scanning technology the differing brain
> >> patterns of folk with various mental illnesses can
> >> be observed, contrary to one claim on the original
> >> post.
> >
> >This is misleading. Scans can show differences in
> >many people, whether labelled with a "mental illness"
> >or not. But no disorder, as defined by the APA's DSM
> >IV, has been shown to be due to a brain abnormality.
> >To claim that mental disorders are medical in nature
> >is faith, not science.
>
> No, this has actually been done with PET scans of
> schizophrenics who were in the midst of
> hallucinations. Their brains were doing unusual
> things, to say the least.

So what? Brain chemistry is affected by emotion. As I
said before, scans can show differences in many people,
whether labelled with a "mental illness" or not. But
there is no conclusive evidence that such an "illness"
stems from a biological or neurological disease.

Who said anything about brain chemistry? When a
schizophrenic is actively hallucinating, the parts of his
brain that register, for example, hearing speech light up
-- even though nobody in the room is talking. So he
really is hearing voices -- but they're being generated
by his own brain. Non-schizophrenics don't exhibit this
behavior.

Sure, but I hope you're not suggesting that this is in
someway "evidence" that schizophrenia is a physical
disease...

You bet it is, sunshine. I breathlessly await your
explanation of why someone hearing voices that aren't
there, or seeing things that aren't there, and having
abnormal brain activity to go along with it, doesn't
qualify as a disease.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

(Psi) said:

Sure, but I hope you're not suggesting that this is in
someway "evidence" that schizophrenia is a physical
disease...

Please post the observations which you would accept as proof
that (say) schizophrenia was a physical disease or disorder.
From what you've written so far I get the impression that in
your opinion no such observations could possibly exist,
i.e., nothing could change your mind, i.e., your belief is a
matter of faith rather than science.

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> <[email hidden]>, Psi
> <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >[email hidden] wrote in message news:<[email hidden]-
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> >> Ah, I smell scientology here. With the advent of
> >> modern scanning technology the differing brain
> >> patterns of folk with various mental illnesses can
> >> be observed, contrary to one claim on the original
> >> post.
> >
> >This is misleading. Scans can show differences in
> >many people, whether labelled with a "mental illness"
> >or not. But no disorder, as defined by the APA's DSM
> >IV, has been shown to be due to a brain abnormality.
> >To claim that mental disorders are medical in nature
> >is faith, not science.
>
> No, this has actually been done with PET scans of
> schizophrenics who were in the midst of
> hallucinations. Their brains were doing unusual
> things, to say the least.

So what? Brain chemistry is affected by emotion. As I
said before, scans can show differences in many people,
whether labelled with a "mental illness" or not. But
there is no conclusive evidence that such an "illness"
stems from a biological or neurological disease.

Who said anything about brain chemistry? When a
schizophrenic is actively hallucinating, the parts of his
brain that register, for example, hearing speech light up
-- even though nobody in the room is talking. So he
really is hearing voices -- but they're being generated
by his own brain. Non-schizophrenics don't exhibit this
behavior.

Sure, but I hope you're not suggesting that this is in
someway "evidence" that schizophrenia is a physical
disease...

Do you take stupid pills, or were you born that dumb? When
someone feels like arm-broken, surprise surprise their arm
looks different: it's broken. When someone says their brain
is not working properly, surprise surprise: we see
different responses in the brain which correspond exactly
to the symptoms they describe.

Incidentally, you also said mental illnesses have no
genetic basis: how do you respond to the following article?

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Alcoholism Risk Linked To Gene Involved In Brain Chemistry

Indianapolis -- A research team headed by Indiana
University School of Medicine scientists has identified a
gene that is strongly linked to an individual's risk of
developing alcoholism.

The gene identified, GABRA2, is one of several genes that
produce parts of the receptor for the brain's primary
inhibitory neurotransmitter, GABA. GABA is a chemical
messenger that carries information between nerve cells;
when GABA binds to the GABA-receptors on a nerve cell, it
inhibits the firing of that cell. GABA is known to be
involved with some of the body's responses to alcohol
consumption, such as loss of physical coordination, effect
on mood, and alcohol withdrawal symptoms.

Alcoholism, which affects nearly 14 million Americans and
can cause many social and health problems costing society
an estimated $185 billion annually, is what scientists call
a "complex" disease, meaning that many genes as well as
environmental factors play a role in whether a person
develops the disease.

While there is not one single "gene that causes alcoholism"
the statistical link between this gene and the risk for
alcoholism is powerful, said Howard J. Edenberg, Ph.D.,
Chancellor's Professor at the IU School of Medicine.
Edenberg was the lead researcher for the study, which
appears in the April issue of the American Journal of Human
Genetics.

"Statistically, this is very strong evidence that this gene
affects the risk of alcoholism," said Edenberg, professor
of biochemistry and molecular biology and of medical and
molecular genetics.

As researchers identify genes and brain signaling pathways
associated with alcoholism -- and learn how they vary from
one person to another -- opportunities should arise for
development of more precisely targeted drugs, and for
individualized approaches to prevent and treat alcoholism,
Edenberg said.

"We may be able to target therapies and preventative
treatments based on individual characteristics," he said.
The research was done as part of the Collaborative Study on
the Genetics of Alcoholism, a 15-year-old project that
involves scientists at nine institutions across the country
and is funded by the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse
and Alcoholism, part of the National Institutes of Health.

The research team's analysis involved 2282 individuals
from 262 families selected for study because they
contained at least three alcoholic members. Earlier
genetic analyses by this team implicated a particular
section of chromosome 4 as affecting both the risk for
alcoholism and certain types of brainwave patterns that
have been linked to alcoholics. Within that region are
genes that make proteins enabling GABA to signal to nerve
cells and so do its work in the brain.

The researchers analyzed tiny differences in the sequences
of the genes and determined that differences in just one of
the GABA-receptor genes, GABRA2, were associated with
alcoholism. The same gene was associated with the brainwave
patterns.

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Edenberg is director of the Center for Medical Genomics at
IU, where the genotyping for this study was performed. The
Center's resources were funded in large part by the Indiana
Genomics Initiative, as well as the state of Indiana's 21st
Century Research and Technology Fund.

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This story has been adapted from a news release issued by
Indiana University.

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In article<[email hidden]>, David Wright:

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>> >But no disorder, as defined by the APA's DSM IV, has
>> >been shown to be due to a brain abnormality. To
>> >claim that mental disorders are medical in nature is
>> >faith, not science.
>>
>> No, this has actually been done with PET scans of
>> schizophrenics who were in the midst of
>> hallucinations. Their brains were doing unusual
>> things, to say the least.
>
>So what? Brain chemistry is affected by emotion. As I
>said before, scans can show differences in many people,
>whether labelled with a "mental illness" or not. But
>there is no conclusive evidence that such an "illness"
>stems from a biological or neurological disease.

Who said anything about brain chemistry? When a
schizophrenic is actively hallucinating, the parts of
his brain that register, for example, hearing speech
light up -- even though nobody in the room is talking.
So he really is hearing voices -- but they're being
generated by his own brain. Non-schizophrenics don't
exhibit this behavior.

Sure, but I hope you're not suggesting that this is in
someway "evidence" that schizophrenia is a physical
disease...

You bet it is, sunshine. I breathlessly await your
explanation of why someone hearing voices that aren't
there, or seeing things that aren't there, and having
abnormal brain activity to go along with it, doesn't
qualify as a disease.

Don't hold your breath, because you are talking to a
deranged religious maniac that probably believes his body
is covered with the ghosts of dead space aliens which he
has to expensively exorcise: believing both that and the
evidence of his own senses is too much for him.

Hey, Psi. You have probably seen something called a "pinch
test" which is supposed to prove the E-meter detects
thought. Try the following test on a reasonably normal
person such as a wog relative.

Say "Do you mind if I do a little test on you. It involves
startling you a few times with loud handclaps out of sight,
is that all right? OK, let's do it now." After a pause make
a loud echoing clap about a foot behind their ear where
they can't see you, count to three and do it again, count
to 4 or 5 and do it again.

This produces the well known phenomenon that a startling
noise is less startling if we know it's coming, or if
there's just been a similar one shortly before.

Now try it on an uncontrolled schizophrenic. Same
result or not?

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