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    Psi
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    http://groups.msn.com/psychbusters
    Decoding Psychiatric Propaganda

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    Cod liver oil: the facts

    Don't believe the hype — believe the many independent research results

    The Times, UK
    April 17, 2004

    So now that we've created our own hype about cod liver oil — is it
    actually true? Can something that simple really be that good? Science
    rarely provides simplicity, but the facts behind the health-giving
    qualities of cod liver oil are powerful — as long as you look at
    reputable research. Some of its benefits have been established through
    authoritative studies, others are supported by encouraging but
    inconclusive evidence.

    Its potential mainly revolves around its constituent fatty acids —
    eicosapentaeonoic acid (EPA) and docosahexaenoic acid (DHA). High
    levels of vitamins A and D bring additional benefits. Deficiencies in
    these oils and vitamins, which occur all too readily in modern diets,
    affect many of the body's main systems.

    In three fields in particular, cod liver oil makes a unique impact:
    heart disease, joint pain and brain performance. There's been
    excitement at the potential of cod liver oil in all these fields for
    some time — it's just that recent research has provided convincing
    backing.

    For the full in-depth article visit
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,8126-1075683,00.html

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    There ARE non-drug solutions!

    http://groups.msn.com/psychbusters
    Decoding Psychiatric Propaganda

    "For a disease to exist there must be a tangible, objective physical
    abnormality that can be determined by a test such as, but not limited
    to, blood or urine test, X-Ray, brain scan or biopsy. All reputable
    doctors would agree: No physical abnormality, no disease. In
    psychiatry, no test or brain scan exists to prove that a 'mental
    disorder' is a physical disease. Disingenuous comparisons between
    physical and mental illness and medicine are simply part of
    psychiatry's orchestrated but fraudulent public relations and
    marketing campaign." ~ Dr. Fred Baughman, Neurologist.

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  2. Email address hidden
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    #2

    Ah, I smell scientology here. With the advent of modern scanning
    technology the differing brain patterns of folk with various mental
    illnesses can be observed, contrary to one claim on the original post.
    This is not to say that the "therapy" field doesn't have it's problems in
    scientific validity, just that rlh needed some meds big time.

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  3. Psi
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    #3

    [email hidden] wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Ah, I smell scientology here. With the advent of modern scanning
    technology the differing brain patterns of folk with various mental
    illnesses can be observed, contrary to one claim on the original post.

    This is misleading. Scans can show differences in many people, whether
    labelled with a "mental illness" or not. But no disorder, as defined
    by the APA's DSM IV, has been shown to be due to a brain abnormality.
    To claim that mental disorders are medical in nature is faith, not
    science.

    Psi

    --
    http://groups.msn.com/psychbusters
    Decoding Psychiatric Propaganda

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  4. David Wright
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    #4

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Psi said:

    [email hidden] wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Ah, I smell scientology here. With the advent of modern scanning
    technology the differing brain patterns of folk with various mental
    illnesses can be observed, contrary to one claim on the original post.

    This is misleading. Scans can show differences in many people, whether
    labelled with a "mental illness" or not. But no disorder, as defined
    by the APA's DSM IV, has been shown to be due to a brain abnormality.
    To claim that mental disorders are medical in nature is faith, not
    science.

    No, this has actually been done with PET scans of schizophrenics who
    were in the midst of hallucinations. Their brains were doing unusual
    things, to say the least.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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  5. Rich Andrews.
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    #5

    [email hidden] (David Wright) wrote in news:uh0hc.6$eo2.2
    @newssvr16.news.prodigy.com:

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Psi said:

    [email hidden] wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Ah, I smell scientology here. With the advent of modern scanning
    technology the differing brain patterns of folk with various mental
    illnesses can be observed, contrary to one claim on the original post.

    This is misleading. Scans can show differences in many people, whether
    labelled with a "mental illness" or not. But no disorder, as defined
    by the APA's DSM IV, has been shown to be due to a brain abnormality.
    To claim that mental disorders are medical in nature is faith, not
    science.

    No, this has actually been done with PET scans of schizophrenics who
    were in the midst of hallucinations. Their brains were doing unusual
    things, to say the least.

    David,

    There was an interesting program on television that showed the
    similarities between seizures, heart fibrullation and chaos
    modelling/theory. Did you see that program?

    r

    --
    Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes.

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  6. John H.
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    #6

    Moreover, even in the absence of psychosis there clearly are differences in
    schizophrenic brains, such differences, though to a lesser degree, can even
    be found in first degree relatives, the same is true of a number of other
    neuro related pathologies.

    The cranks are loose again.

    John H.
    "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Psi said:

    [email hidden] wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Ah, I smell scientology here. With the advent of modern scanning
    technology the differing brain patterns of folk with various mental
    illnesses can be observed, contrary to one claim on the original post.

    This is misleading. Scans can show differences in many people, whether
    labelled with a "mental illness" or not. But no disorder, as defined
    by the APA's DSM IV, has been shown to be due to a brain abnormality.
    To claim that mental disorders are medical in nature is faith, not
    science.

    No, this has actually been done with PET scans of schizophrenics who
    were in the midst of hallucinations. Their brains were doing unusual
    things, to say the least.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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  7. Psi
    Archived post
    #7

    Again, this is misleading. The only differences that have been found
    are between those who have been "medicated" and those who haven't.
    Neuroleptics, antipsychotics, are intensely dangerous drugs and, like
    any other drug, indeed interfere with the brain's normal chemistry.
    The "medication" itself is the only variable.

    No study has proven any biological, neurological or genetic link as a
    basis for a "mental illness". The APA, NAMI and the NIMH have been
    asked for evidence countless times and have yet to provide anyone with
    anything. To their credit, the APA do actually admit it at the front
    of their DSM. But to its practitioners, such a disclaimer is rarely
    noted when it comes to treatment.

    Psi

    "John H." <johnh@faraway.> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Moreover, even in the absence of psychosis there clearly are differences in
    schizophrenic brains, such differences, though to a lesser degree, can even
    be found in first degree relatives, the same is true of a number of other
    neuro related pathologies.

    The cranks are loose again.

    John H.
    "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Psi said:

    [email hidden] wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...
    > Ah, I smell scientology here. With the advent of modern scanning
    > technology the differing brain patterns of folk with various mental
    > illnesses can be observed, contrary to one claim on the original post.

    This is misleading. Scans can show differences in many people, whether
    labelled with a "mental illness" or not. But no disorder, as defined
    by the APA's DSM IV, has been shown to be due to a brain abnormality.
    To claim that mental disorders are medical in nature is faith, not
    science.

    No, this has actually been done with PET scans of schizophrenics who
    were in the midst of hallucinations. Their brains were doing unusual
    things, to say the least.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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  8. Psi
    Archived post
    #8

    [email hidden] (David Wright) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Psi said:

    [email hidden] wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Ah, I smell scientology here. With the advent of modern scanning
    technology the differing brain patterns of folk with various mental
    illnesses can be observed, contrary to one claim on the original post.

    This is misleading. Scans can show differences in many people, whether
    labelled with a "mental illness" or not. But no disorder, as defined
    by the APA's DSM IV, has been shown to be due to a brain abnormality.
    To claim that mental disorders are medical in nature is faith, not
    science.

    No, this has actually been done with PET scans of schizophrenics who
    were in the midst of hallucinations. Their brains were doing unusual
    things, to say the least.

    So what? Brain chemistry is affected by emotion. As I said before,
    scans can show differences in many people, whether labelled with a
    "mental illness" or not. But there is no conclusive evidence that such
    an "illness" stems from a biological or neurological disease.

    Psi

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  9. Email address hidden
    Archived post
    #9

    Typical scientology logic. There are only labels not chemical disorders
    in brain function and different people have different amounts of brain
    activity, therefore, there is no brain based mental illness only a
    conspiracy by the psych types for evil motivations. Brain scans can spot
    different patterns between "normal" and folk with (insert label here). If
    a "normal" never shows the patterns and the "labels" do, what should we
    conclude?
    Brain scans can show all manner of mental process as it is happening. A
    story today in the ny times, I think, about different patterns for
    different political conceptualzation as it was occuring. Almost every day
    another cognitive mental process is found to have an repeatable pattarn on
    a scan.

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  10. Email address hidden
    Archived post
    #10

    "> The cranks are loose again."

    No, only scientology at it's best, too many hours on the meter.

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  11. M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-April 19, 2004
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    #11

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Ah, I smell scientology here.

    Psi reeks from the Kriminal Kult of $cientology.

    With the advent of modern scanning

    Quoted message said:

    technology the differing brain patterns of folk with various mental
    illnesses can be observed, contrary to one claim on the original post.
    This is not to say that the "therapy" field doesn't have it's problems in
    scientific validity, just that rlh needed some meds big time.

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  12. David Wright
    Archived post
    #12

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Rich Andrews. said:

    [email hidden] (David Wright) wrote in news:uh0hc.6$eo2.2
    @newssvr16.news.prodigy.com:

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Psi said:

    [email hidden] wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...
    > Ah, I smell scientology here. With the advent of modern scanning
    > technology the differing brain patterns of folk with various mental
    > illnesses can be observed, contrary to one claim on the original post.

    This is misleading. Scans can show differences in many people, whether
    labelled with a "mental illness" or not. But no disorder, as defined
    by the APA's DSM IV, has been shown to be due to a brain abnormality.
    To claim that mental disorders are medical in nature is faith, not
    science.

    No, this has actually been done with PET scans of schizophrenics who
    were in the midst of hallucinations. Their brains were doing unusual
    things, to say the least.


    David,

    There was an interesting program on television that showed the
    similarities between seizures, heart fibrullation and chaos
    modelling/theory. Did you see that program?

    I'm afraid I didn't. But I could certainly believe it.

    That actually leads into the exploding of one common myth: that we
    only "use 10% of our brains." The only time anyone is using 100% of
    their brain (all the neurons firing) is during a grand mal epileptic
    seizure.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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  13. David Wright
    Archived post
    #13

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Psi said:

    [email hidden] (David Wright) wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Psi said:

    [email hidden] wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...
    > Ah, I smell scientology here. With the advent of modern scanning
    > technology the differing brain patterns of folk with various mental
    > illnesses can be observed, contrary to one claim on the original post.

    This is misleading. Scans can show differences in many people, whether
    labelled with a "mental illness" or not. But no disorder, as defined
    by the APA's DSM IV, has been shown to be due to a brain abnormality.
    To claim that mental disorders are medical in nature is faith, not
    science.

    No, this has actually been done with PET scans of schizophrenics who
    were in the midst of hallucinations. Their brains were doing unusual
    things, to say the least.

    So what? Brain chemistry is affected by emotion. As I said before,
    scans can show differences in many people, whether labelled with a
    "mental illness" or not. But there is no conclusive evidence that such
    an "illness" stems from a biological or neurological disease.

    Who said anything about brain chemistry? When a schizophrenic is
    actively hallucinating, the parts of his brain that register, for
    example, hearing speech light up -- even though nobody in the room is
    talking. So he really is hearing voices -- but they're being
    generated by his own brain. Non-schizophrenics don't exhibit this
    behavior.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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  14. Psi
    Archived post
    #14

    [email hidden] (David Wright) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Psi said:

    [email hidden] (David Wright) wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    Psi <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >[email hidden] wrote in message
    >news:<[email hidden]>...
    >> Ah, I smell scientology here. With the advent of modern scanning
    >> technology the differing brain patterns of folk with various mental
    >> illnesses can be observed, contrary to one claim on the original post.
    >
    >This is misleading. Scans can show differences in many people, whether
    >labelled with a "mental illness" or not. But no disorder, as defined
    >by the APA's DSM IV, has been shown to be due to a brain abnormality.
    >To claim that mental disorders are medical in nature is faith, not
    >science.

    No, this has actually been done with PET scans of schizophrenics who
    were in the midst of hallucinations. Their brains were doing unusual
    things, to say the least.

    So what? Brain chemistry is affected by emotion. As I said before,
    scans can show differences in many people, whether labelled with a
    "mental illness" or not. But there is no conclusive evidence that such
    an "illness" stems from a biological or neurological disease.

    Who said anything about brain chemistry? When a schizophrenic is
    actively hallucinating, the parts of his brain that register, for
    example, hearing speech light up -- even though nobody in the room is
    talking. So he really is hearing voices -- but they're being
    generated by his own brain. Non-schizophrenics don't exhibit this
    behavior.

    Sure, but I hope you're not suggesting that this is in someway
    "evidence" that schizophrenia is a physical disease...

    Psi

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  15. Email address hidden
    Archived post
    #15

    Mental illness is physical to the degree the tissue of the brain and the
    biochem happening there are physical. L. ron hubbard had abnormal brain
    scans, don't you think and doesn't that explain much? Themeter in
    scien(not)ology has no physical reality with regard to mental states. Have
    you ever been diagnosed with a mental disorder and have you ever taken
    meds for same?

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  16. David Wright
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    #16

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Psi said:

    [email hidden] (David Wright) wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Psi said:

    [email hidden] (David Wright) wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...
    > In article <[email hidden]>,
    > Psi <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > >[email hidden] wrote in message
    > >news:<[email hidden]>...
    > >> Ah, I smell scientology here. With the advent of modern scanning
    > >> technology the differing brain patterns of folk with various mental
    > >> illnesses can be observed, contrary to one claim on the original post.
    > >
    > >This is misleading. Scans can show differences in many people, whether
    > >labelled with a "mental illness" or not. But no disorder, as defined
    > >by the APA's DSM IV, has been shown to be due to a brain abnormality.
    > >To claim that mental disorders are medical in nature is faith, not
    > >science.
    >
    > No, this has actually been done with PET scans of schizophrenics who
    > were in the midst of hallucinations. Their brains were doing unusual
    > things, to say the least.

    So what? Brain chemistry is affected by emotion. As I said before,
    scans can show differences in many people, whether labelled with a
    "mental illness" or not. But there is no conclusive evidence that such
    an "illness" stems from a biological or neurological disease.

    Who said anything about brain chemistry? When a schizophrenic is
    actively hallucinating, the parts of his brain that register, for
    example, hearing speech light up -- even though nobody in the room is
    talking. So he really is hearing voices -- but they're being
    generated by his own brain. Non-schizophrenics don't exhibit this
    behavior.

    Sure, but I hope you're not suggesting that this is in someway
    "evidence" that schizophrenia is a physical disease...

    You bet it is, sunshine. I breathlessly await your explanation of why
    someone hearing voices that aren't there, or seeing things that aren't
    there, and having abnormal brain activity to go along with it, doesn't
    qualify as a disease.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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  17. MCS Is NOT Real
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    #17
    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Psi said:

    [email hidden] (David Wright) wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    Psi <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >[email hidden] (David Wright) wrote in message
    >news:<[email hidden]>...
    >> In article <[email hidden]>,
    >> Psi <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >> >[email hidden] wrote in message
    >> >news:<[email hidden]>...
    >> >> Ah, I smell scientology here. With the advent of modern scanning
    >> >> technology the differing brain patterns of folk with various mental
    >> >> illnesses can be observed, contrary to one claim on the original


    post.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> >
    >> >This is misleading. Scans can show differences in many people, whether
    >> >labelled with a "mental illness" or not. But no disorder, as defined
    >> >by the APA's DSM IV, has been shown to be due to a brain abnormality.
    >> >To claim that mental disorders are medical in nature is faith, not
    >> >science.
    >>
    >> No, this has actually been done with PET scans of schizophrenics who
    >> were in the midst of hallucinations. Their brains were doing unusual
    >> things, to say the least.
    >
    >So what? Brain chemistry is affected by emotion. As I said before,
    >scans can show differences in many people, whether labelled with a
    >"mental illness" or not. But there is no conclusive evidence that such
    >an "illness" stems from a biological or neurological disease.

    Who said anything about brain chemistry? When a schizophrenic is
    actively hallucinating, the parts of his brain that register, for
    example, hearing speech light up -- even though nobody in the room is
    talking. So he really is hearing voices -- but they're being
    generated by his own brain. Non-schizophrenics don't exhibit this
    behavior.

    Sure, but I hope you're not suggesting that this is in someway
    "evidence" that schizophrenia is a physical disease...

    You bet it is, sunshine. I breathlessly await your explanation of why
    someone hearing voices that aren't there, or seeing things that aren't
    there, and having abnormal brain activity to go along with it, doesn't
    qualify as a disease.

    Perhaps those things are just a part of Psi's everyday life.

    Quoted message said:

    -- David Wright

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  18. Chris Malcolm
    Archived post
    #18
    (Psi) said:

    Sure, but I hope you're not suggesting that this is in someway
    "evidence" that schizophrenia is a physical disease...

    Please post the observations which you would accept as proof that
    (say) schizophrenia was a physical disease or disorder. From what
    you've written so far I get the impression that in your opinion no
    such observations could possibly exist, i.e., nothing could change
    your mind, i.e., your belief is a matter of faith rather than science.

    --
    Chris Malcolm [email hidden] +44 (0)131 651 3445 DoD #205
    IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
    [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

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  19. Dave Bird
    Archived post
    #19

    In article<[email hidden]>, David Wright:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> >But no disorder, as defined
    >> >by the APA's DSM IV, has been shown to be due to a brain abnormality.
    >> >To claim that mental disorders are medical in nature is faith, not
    >> >science.
    >>
    >> No, this has actually been done with PET scans of schizophrenics who
    >> were in the midst of hallucinations. Their brains were doing unusual
    >> things, to say the least.
    >
    >So what? Brain chemistry is affected by emotion. As I said before,
    >scans can show differences in many people, whether labelled with a
    >"mental illness" or not. But there is no conclusive evidence that such
    >an "illness" stems from a biological or neurological disease.

    Who said anything about brain chemistry? When a schizophrenic is
    actively hallucinating, the parts of his brain that register, for
    example, hearing speech light up -- even though nobody in the room is
    talking. So he really is hearing voices -- but they're being
    generated by his own brain. Non-schizophrenics don't exhibit this
    behavior.

    Sure, but I hope you're not suggesting that this is in someway
    "evidence" that schizophrenia is a physical disease...

    You bet it is, sunshine. I breathlessly await your explanation of why
    someone hearing voices that aren't there, or seeing things that aren't
    there, and having abnormal brain activity to go along with it, doesn't
    qualify as a disease.

    Don't hold your breath, because you are talking to a deranged religious
    maniac that probably believes his body is covered with the ghosts of
    dead space aliens which he has to expensively exorcise: believing both
    that and the evidence of his own senses is too much for him.

    Hey, Psi. You have probably seen something called a "pinch test"
    which is supposed to prove the E-meter detects thought. Try the
    following test on a reasonably normal person such as a wog relative.

    Say "Do you mind if I do a little test on you. It involves startling
    you a few times with loud handclaps out of sight, is that all right?
    OK, let's do it now." After a pause make a loud echoing clap about
    a foot behind their ear where they can't see you, count to three and
    do it again, count to 4 or 5 and do it again.

    This produces the well known phenomenon that a startling noise is
    less startling if we know it's coming, or if there's just been a
    similar one shortly before.

    Now try it on an uncontrolled schizophrenic. Same result or not?

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  20. Email address hidden
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    #20

    http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2004-04/yu-itc042304.php

    Here is the physical evidence of this particular mental illness, contrary
    to silly unfounded unsupported claims. Would lrh hav an interesting scan
    or not, it might show little "ghosts" clinging to the inside of his brain.

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