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  1. Could cocoa be good for you?

    The saturated fat contents of cocoa is mainly stearic acid (18:0) and
    palmitic acid (16:0). Unlike most saturated fats, these may not be too
    bad for your cholesterol.

    Do people know of studies investigating specifically the effect of
    these fatty acids on LDL and HDL?

    Some information is at

    http://www.chocolateinfo.com/sr/sr_article_11.jsp

    Does anyone know how reliable this information is? Research which says
    something as seductive as "chocolate is good for you" runs the risk of
    being trumped up and exagerated. Research leading to the opposite
    conclusion might not recieve due attention.

    Is there someone out there who understands the science well enough to
    give a balanced view?

    Thanks...

    Franco.

  2. Franco said:

    Could cocoa be good for you?

    Just a hint. Nobody bothered to respond to your post becuase you are
    trying to dictate the answer that you want to see.

  3. Thanks for the hint. Really, all I'm saying is it would appear, from
    some sources, that chocolate fat is not bad for heart-cholesterol
    levels. Does anyone know different? Or can anyone confirm it?

    (Of course, I like the taste of chocolate, so if I find out it's
    healthy that's good. But what I really want is the truth!)

    Thanks, and sorry if you think my netiquette is bad!
    All the best -- Franco.

  4. Franco said:

    Could cocoa be good for you?

    The saturated fat contents of cocoa is mainly stearic acid (18:0) and
    palmitic acid (16:0). Unlike most saturated fats, these may not be too
    bad for your cholesterol.

    Do people know of studies investigating specifically the effect of
    these fatty acids on LDL and HDL?

    Some information is at

    http://www.chocolateinfo.com/sr/sr_article_11.jsp

    Does anyone know how reliable this information is? Research which says
    something as seductive as "chocolate is good for you" runs the risk of
    being trumped up and exagerated. Research leading to the opposite
    conclusion might not recieve due attention.

    Is there someone out there who understands the science well enough to
    give a balanced view?

    I don't, but here's a balanced view anyway. 🙂

    On the one hand, as you say, anything seductive is more likely to be
    publicized. Also, the chocolate manufacturers have very deep pockets to fund
    research looking for any possible claim of health benefits.

    On the third hand 🙂, chocoate is profitable because we crave it, and we
    might just have evolved TO crave it BECAUSE it is healthy (in some special
    way).

    Same for wine etc etc.

    My bottom line is, if there is a halfway viable claim for a health benefit
    from chocolate etc, we won't have to figure it out for ourselves, the
    chocolate people will broadcast it from the rooftops. 🙂 However we may as
    well get a head start by eating it now.

    You might try alt.support.diabetes and alt.support.diet.low-carb as well
    (tho not as cross-post please). Plenty of nuts there, get a killfile, but a
    lot of good talk too.

    Cheers,
    Skinny

  5. Skinny said:
    Franco said:

    Could cocoa be good for you?

    The saturated fat contents of cocoa is mainly stearic acid (18:0) and
    palmitic acid (16:0). Unlike most saturated fats, these may not be
    too bad for your cholesterol.

    Do people know of studies investigating specifically the effect of
    these fatty acids on LDL and HDL?

    Some information is at

    http://www.chocolateinfo.com/sr/sr_article_11.jsp

    Does anyone know how reliable this information is? Research which
    says something as seductive as "chocolate is good for you" runs the
    risk of being trumped up and exagerated. Research leading to the
    opposite conclusion might not recieve due attention.

    Is there someone out there who understands the science well enough to
    give a balanced view?

    I don't, but here's a balanced view anyway. 🙂

    On the one hand, as you say, anything seductive is more likely to be
    publicized. Also, the chocolate manufacturers have very deep pockets
    to fund research looking for any possible claim of health benefits.

    On the third hand 🙂, chocoate is profitable because we crave it, and
    we might just have evolved TO crave it BECAUSE it is healthy (in some
    special way).

    Same for wine etc etc.

    My bottom line is, if there is a halfway viable claim for a health
    benefit from chocolate etc, we won't have to figure it out for
    ourselves, the chocolate people will broadcast it from the rooftops.
    🙂 However we may as well get a head start by eating it now.

    You might try alt.support.diabetes and alt.support.diet.low-carb as
    well (tho not as cross-post please). Plenty of nuts there, get a
    killfile, but a lot of good talk too.

    Please, look at this study. Emphasizes mine.

    Lee KW, Kim YJ, Lee HJ, Lee CY. Cocoa has more phenolic phytochemicals
    and a higher antioxidant capacity than teas and red wine. J Agric Food
    Chem. 2003 Dec 3;51(25):7292-5.

    Black tea, green tea, red wine, and cocoa are high in phenolic
    phytochemicals, among which theaflavin, epigallocatechin gallate,
    resveratrol, and procyanidin, respectively, have been extensively
    investigated due to their possible role as chemopreventive agents based
    on their antioxidant capacities. The present study compared the phenolic
    and flavonoid contents and total antioxidant capacities of cocoa, black
    tea, green tea, and red wine. Cocoa contained much higher levels of
    total phenolics (611 mg of gallic acid equivalents, GAE) and flavonoids
    (564 mg of epicatechin equivalents, ECE) per serving than black tea (124
    mg of GAE and 34 mg of ECE, respectively), green tea (165 mg of GAE and
    47 mg of ECE), and red wine (340 mg of GAE and 163 mg of ECE). Total
    antioxidant activities were measured using the
    2,2'-azino-bis(3-ethylbenzthiazoline-6-sulfonic acid) (ABTS) and
    2,2-diphenyl-1-picrylhydrazyl (DPPH) radical scavenging assays and are
    expressed as vitamin C equivalent antioxidant capacities (VCEACs). Cocoa
    exhibited the highest antioxidant activity among the samples in ABTS and
    DPPH assays, with VCEACs of 1128 and 836 mg/serving, respectively. The
    relative total antioxidant capacities of the samples in both assays were
    as follows in decreasing order: *cocoa* > red wine > green tea > black
    tea. The total antioxidant capacities from ABTS and DPPH assays were
    highly correlated with phenolic content (r2 = 0.981 and 0.967,
    respectively) and flavonoid content (r2 = 0.949 and 0.915). These
    results suggest that cocoa is more beneficial to health than teas and
    red wine in terms of its higher antioxidant capacity. PMID: 14640573

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=14640573

    --
    Juhana

  6. Juhana Harju said:

    Please, look at this study. Emphasizes mine.

    Lee KW, Kim YJ, Lee HJ, Lee CY. Cocoa has more phenolic phytochemicals
    and a higher antioxidant capacity than teas and red wine. J Agric Food
    Chem. 2003 Dec 3;51(25):7292-5.

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    of the samples in both assays were as follows in decreasing order:
    *cocoa* > red wine > green tea > black tea. The total antioxidant
    capacities from ABTS and DPPH assays were highly correlated with
    phenolic content (r2 = 0.981 and 0.967, respectively) and flavonoid
    content (r2 = 0.949 and 0.915). These results suggest that cocoa is
    more beneficial to health than teas and red wine in terms of its
    higher antioxidant capacity. PMID: 14640573


    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=14640573

    The full article is also available here:

    http://pubs.acs.org/cgi-bin/sample.cgi/jafcau/2003/51/i25/html/jf0344385.html

    Excerpt: "Even though a bar of chocolate exhibits strong antioxidant
    activity, the health benefits are still controversial because relatively
    large amounts of saturated fats are present. However, a cup of hot cocoa
    has a much lower level of saturated fats (0.3 g per serving) than a bar
    of chocolate (8 g per 40 g bar). Thus, our results demonstrate that
    cocoa has a high flavonoid content and substantial antioxidant capacity:
    on a per-serving basis 4-5 times stronger than that of black tea, 2-3
    times stronger than green tea, and almost 2 times stronger than red
    wine."

    From other studies it is known however that there is "something" in milk
    which prevents the the absorption of cocoa phenolics. That is why hot
    chocolate made to milk is not as good as indicated above. Dark chocolate
    is actually a better antioxidant.

    --
    Juhana

  7. This is unprofessional opinion.
    Chocolate has cocoa butter which is not bad for cholestrol. But you must read
    the contents of whatever you are buying that is chocolate. If the cocoa butter
    is replaced with vegetable shortening, it cannot be called chocolate. It
    usually says fudge cookies, chocolate flavored, or something similar.
    If additional fatty cocoa butter is blended with chocolate liquor, mixture is
    sent to become candy.
    If cocoa butter, but no chocolate liquor is used, this is while chocolate.
    cocoa butter has practically no cholestrol.
    choc liquor with lots of rich cocoa butter is CHOCOLATE.
    chocolate drinks - powdered cocoa by separating out fatty cocoa butter from
    ground up cocao beans heat and grinding pressure produces thick dark paste
    chocolate liquor is base for all chocolate and cocoa.
    hardened choc liquor becomes baking chocolate. If choc liquor is subjected to
    high pressure, an amber liquid, cocoa butter is extracted and a residual
    cakelike mass, chocolate press cake is ground and becomes cocoa powder for
    chocolate drink.

    Gail

    Hersheys is always pure chocolate. Read other products ingredients.

  8. This discussion reminds me of a question I've had for a while: when I
    make hot chocolate containing cocoa powder, sugar, and hot water, do I
    eliminate most of the antioxidants if I add in a scoop of whey protein?
    I've been holding off on adding that scoop, since I've been wondering
    if that is like adding milk to dark chocolate in creating milk
    chocolate with less antioxidant power.

    thanks for any help.

    Janet

  9. Hey,

    Thanks for all the excellent replies.

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    On the third hand 🙂, chocoate is profitable because we crave it, and
    we
    might just have evolved TO crave it BECAUSE it is healthy (in some
    special
    way).

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    I don't think that makes sense. We tend to crave nutrients that were
    rare in the diets of our ancient ancestors. So sweet, high calorie
    foods often taste good. That doesn't make them healthy!

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    Also, the chocolate manufacturers have very deep pockets to fund
    research looking for any possible claim of health benefits.

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    I agree. On the other hand, chocolate is often markated as being
    "decadant" and sexy. Unhealthy and so naughty and appealing. Maybe its
    NOT in chocolate manufacturers interests to publicize chocolate health
    benefits!

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    Excerpt: "Even though a bar of chocolate exhibits strong antioxidant
    activity, the health benefits are still controversial because
    relatively
    large amounts of saturated fats are present.

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    Well, my original question was about whether these PARTICULAR saturated
    fats are in fact NOT bad for your cholesterol level. They are stearic
    and palmitic saturated fatty acids. As it happens, these are the main
    constituents of saturated fat in chicken also.
    All the best to you.

    Franco.

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